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1. 07:02 AM - Re: Rough River, Sept. 17-19 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: Rough River, Sept. 17-19 (Robert Borger)
3. 12:38 PM - Re: Rough River, Sept. 17-19 (ROBERT LINDSAY)
4. 03:09 PM - Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (JEFF ROBERTS)
5. 03:34 PM - Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (Fred Klein)
6. 04:47 PM - Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
7. 07:40 PM - Rough River, Sept.17-19 (Fred Klein)
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Subject: | Re: Rough River, Sept. 17-19 |
I'll be driving in, probably=C2-Saturday AM.=C2- There is a small room
at the airsrtrip that we could probably use if the number is < about 20.=C2
- It would probably be easiest to leave the coordination to one person, s
o I won't do anything about a room unless Jeff asks me.=C2-
Based on years past, the chance to make some formal or informal presentatio
ns is a great idea.=C2- John made some informal presentations year before
last on painting and finishing that I found really interesting, so if we c
an schedule as much of the day as possible, it would probably enhance the w
eekend substantially.=C2- (Not that I'm against beer drinking).=C2-
Jim Puglise
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2010 12:22:22 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Rough River, Sept. 17-19
To all those planning to attend,
Jeff R. , perhaps others, and I have been wondering if there would be =C2
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support for some kind of meeting during the weekend where topics of =C2-
interest might be presented and discussed. Jeff has asked me to raise =C2
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this question on list.
Bud Y. has some info on spar mods for the motor glider wing, re-
fueling safety, new props from Airmaster, and other topics of =C2-
interest. Speaking only for myself, I'd like to see an opportunity =C2-
(for anyone who cares to) to present relevant Europa issues or =C2-
experiences to the group.
To do this and not infringe on the opportunities for flying, aircraft =C2
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display, one on one conversations, and general camaraderie may be =C2-
challenging.
One question re: a group meeting is: By what time will all have =C2-
arrived? Is anyone planning to arrive Saturday?...when?
Before any substantive effort is made (say, securing a meeting room at =C2
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the Lodge [for when?] ), some robust feedback on these ideas...and =C2-
other ideas...would be most welcome...this will definitely be a group-
planning-effort.
What say you?
Fred
PS: Even the best laid plans are subject to weather...but for the sake =C2
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of discussion, let's assume CAVU conditions will prevail.
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Subject: | Re: Rough River, Sept. 17-19 |
Fred, et. al.,
I could make short presentations on the Billet Mechanical Fuel Pump for 914's &
control column mounted hand brake for mono's.
I could also make a longer presentation on converting to tri-gear.
Bob Borger
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 4, 2010, at 0:22, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:
>
> To all those planning to attend,
>
> Jeff R. , perhaps others, and I have been wondering if there would be support
for some kind of meeting during the weekend where topics of interest might be
presented and discussed. Jeff has asked me to raise this question on list.
>
> Bud Y. has some info on spar mods for the motor glider wing, re-fueling safety,
new props from Airmaster, and other topics of interest. Speaking only for myself,
I'd like to see an opportunity (for anyone who cares to) to present relevant
Europa issues or experiences to the group.
>
> To do this and not infringe on the opportunities for flying, aircraft display,
one on one conversations, and general camaraderie may be challenging.
>
> One question re: a group meeting is: By what time will all have arrived? Is anyone
planning to arrive Saturday?...when?
>
> Before any substantive effort is made (say, securing a meeting room at the Lodge
[for when?] ), some robust feedback on these ideas...and other ideas...would
be most welcome...this will definitely be a group-planning-effort.
>
> What say you?
>
> Fred
>
> PS: Even the best laid plans are subject to weather...but for the sake of discussion,
let's assume CAVU conditions will prevail.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Rough River, Sept. 17-19 |
Info exchange meeting is a great idea. West Coasters flying in their
Europas expect arrival nlt Fri PM. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Rough River, Sept. 17-19
>
> To all those planning to attend,
>
> Jeff R. , perhaps others, and I have been wondering if there would be
> support for some kind of meeting during the weekend where topics of
> interest might be presented and discussed. Jeff has asked me to raise
> this question on list.
>
> Bud Y. has some info on spar mods for the motor glider wing, re- fueling
> safety, new props from Airmaster, and other topics of interest. Speaking
> only for myself, I'd like to see an opportunity (for anyone who cares to)
> to present relevant Europa issues or experiences to the group.
>
> To do this and not infringe on the opportunities for flying, aircraft
> display, one on one conversations, and general camaraderie may be
> challenging.
>
> One question re: a group meeting is: By what time will all have arrived?
> Is anyone planning to arrive Saturday?...when?
>
> Before any substantive effort is made (say, securing a meeting room at
> the Lodge [for when?] ), some robust feedback on these ideas...and other
> ideas...would be most welcome...this will definitely be a group-
> planning-effort.
>
> What say you?
>
> Fred
>
> PS: Even the best laid plans are subject to weather...but for the sake of
> discussion, let's assume CAVU conditions will prevail.
>
>
>
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Subject: | Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
HI all RR Attendees,
I guess the Idea of a talk and discussion of topics is on tab for
before or after dinner on Saturday evening. Probably would be best for
before. We can save the one on ones for a social/beer drinking time
after dinner.
Anyway I've received an e-mail from our friend and USA Europa dealer
Bud Yearly. As you all know he has been there with solutions for all
of us at no charge on this forum. If they're new things coming down
the pike... Bud knows them. If there's a problem to be solved he's had
that covered too. I ask him if he could cover some of the wants and
some of the new topics ahead. Also maybe some of the on going problems
or concern's for us all.
Here is his response.
Jeff,
On topics, I am still getting a lot of emails on cooling issues.
Probably good to address that as you suggest. Good topic for people
to interact on also. I will curb my tongue and just let a discussion
flow.
Next, there was an accident that happened during refueling, and it
would be good to have a quick safety meeting on refueling safety and
grounding the aircraft/jerry cans and the like. Especially with fall
coming and folks carrying plastic cans with wool clothes. Talk about
being a Vandergraff Generator.
The other thing was the main spar modifications to the glider wing. I
can chronicle the events that led up to a soon to be published Service
Bulletin. This will answer some of the questions about what is Europa
Doing.
I will also be bringing or flying the latest Airmaster Two Blade
Prop. I am doing nearly side by side testing on the original AP332
and AP420 two blade. The AP430 is a new three blade hub which can
accept a multitude of blades. I can do a detailed report on that.
I have also finished the LSA initial testing and Vortex Generator
presentation for Europa and can comment on the flight characteristics
using VGs.
Finally, in an informal session those interested in the evolution of
Rotax Fuel Injection I can broach what I and Jason Parker have done.
What do you think? We have 6 topics I can talk about and do a dog and
pony show on. Nobody wants to sit through that many topics, so we
need to pair it down.
Most important is the SB on the MG wing,
Next would be the Refueling safety
Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props.
Problems guys are having are:
Cooling is old hat to me
Solving short field and stall characteristics by use of VGs.
New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena
Bud
I think we can agree to just take a showing of hands to Bud at the
gathering on which ones are important to us. Plus if anyone has other
topics as suggested bring them and I'm sure we could all use the
knowledge.
I would rather listen than talk as I just flat out don't know much! My
wife says I talk to much at home so I know she wouldn't want me to say
anything... I'm good ;o)
Looks like a great gathering!
Lates Attendees:
Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in.
Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In
Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o)..
Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer
bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o)
John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa
Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dragon
Lady.
Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl
mods ready.
Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in
Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!
Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep
em separate boys!
John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF
Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville.
Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard
mates!
Great to have the west coast boys.
Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4
Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4
Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit
Planes Magazine Flight of 3 maybe 4
And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us
know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0)
Fred Kline.... All the way from Orcas Island, WA
William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the
big iron in with Fred. Welcome Bill!!
Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 2010 and beyond!
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
> Date: September 3, 2010 12:40:55 PM CDT
> To: "JEFF ROBERTS" <jeff@rmmm.net>
> Subject: Re: Talk
>
> Sure did.
> I am up to my ears in work and I just finished thinking and talking
> to Bob Borger and Gary Leinberger about your comments. One of these
> days I need to think about profit.
>
> On topics, I am still getting a lot of emails on cooling issues.
> Probably good to address that as you suggest. Good topic for people
> to interact on also. I will curb my tongue and just let a
> discussion flow.
>
> Next, there was an accident that happened during refueling, and it
> would be good to have a quick safety meeting on refueling safety and
> grounding the aircraft/jerry cans and the like. Especially with
> fall coming and folks carrying plastic cans with wool clothes. Talk
> about being a Vandergraff Generator.
>
> The other thing was the main spar modifications to the glider wing.
> I can chronicle the events that led up to a soon to be published
> Service Bulletin. This will answer some of the questions about what
> is Europa Doing.
>
> I will also be bringing or flying the latest Airmaster Two Blade
> Prop. I am doing nearly side by side testing on the original AP332
> and AP420 two blade. The AP430 is a new three blade hub which can
> accept a multitude of blades. I can do a detailed report on that.
>
> I have also finished the LSA initial testing and Vortex Generator
> presentation for Europa and can comment on the flight
> characteristics using VGs.
>
> Finally, in an informal session those interested in the evolution of
> Rotax Fuel Injection I can broach what I and Jason Parker have done.
>
> What do you think? We have 6 topics I can talk about and do a dog
> and pony show on. Nobody wants to sit through that many topics, so
> we need to pair it down.
>
> Most important is the SB on the MG wing,
> Next would be the Refueling safety
> Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props.
>
> Problems guys are having are:
> Cooling is old hat to me
> Solving short field and stall characteristics by use of VGs.
> New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena
>
> Bud
>
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
On Sep 4, 2010, at 3:07 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> HI all RR Attendees,
>
> I guess the Idea of a talk and discussion of topics is on tab for
> before or after dinner on Saturday evening. Probably would be best
> for before. We can save the one on ones for a social/beer drinking
> time after dinner.
Jeff,
Could we hold off on deciding "when" until we hear from more folks?
We could consider more than one time period...one thought: we could
convene for an hour, right after breakfast, say from 9 til 10
am...then continue for an hour before dinner...(?)
Fred
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Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
Jeff-
When you look at the number of topics, an hour would probably fall way shor
t.=C2- I would suggest that we start either after breakfast or after lunc
h and go until we are done.=C2- If you poll for topics, there are several
=C2-out there and all would probably be of interest.=C2-
(only my opinion)
Jim Puglise=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2010 6:33:02 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 =C2-Dog & Poney Show
On Sep 4, 2010, at 3:07 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> HI all RR Attendees,
>
> I guess the Idea of a talk and discussion of topics is on tab for =C2-
> before or after dinner on Saturday evening. Probably would be best =C2-
> for before. We can save the one on ones for a social/beer drinking =C2-
> time after dinner.
Jeff,
Could we hold off on deciding "when" until we hear from more folks?
We could consider more than one time period...one thought: we could =C2-
convene for an hour, right after breakfast, say from 9 til 10 =C2-
am...then continue for an hour before dinner...(?)
Fred
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Subject: | Rough River, Sept.17-19 |
Suggestion to ALL USA & CAN Europa builders not yet flying...this
event looks like it will be the largest gathering of Europas by far in
the US...a great opportunity for learning, inspiration, and
kibitzing...not too late to decide to come!
Not sure if there are rooms or cabins still available (check the
website, ask Mr. Google), but there's ample space for camping.
Fred
"80% of life is showing up" (Woody Allen)
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