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1. 03:57 AM - Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 (zwakie)
2. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 (Frans Veldman)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (h&jeuropa)
4. 06:55 AM - Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (JEFF ROBERTS)
5. 09:35 AM - RR dogs & ponies (Fred Klein)
6. 10:50 AM - 6 Nations Tour (David Joyce)
7. 01:16 PM - Re: Rough River - There's always ONE guy (Fergus Kyle)
8. 01:25 PM - Front wheel wobbling (Juergen Buschmann)
9. 02:11 PM - Re: RR dogs & ponies (JEFF ROBERTS)
10. 02:19 PM - Re: Front wheel wobbling (Robert C Harrison)
11. 02:33 PM - Re: RR dogs & ponies (ROBERT LINDSAY)
12. 02:35 PM - RR Nametags (h&jeuropa)
13. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: Rough River - There's always ONE guy (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
14. 03:07 PM - Re: RR dogs & ponies (Fred Klein)
15. 03:19 PM - Re: Front wheel wobbling (Robert Borger)
16. 04:31 PM - Re: RR Nametags (Jeff B)
17. 05:53 PM - Re: Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (Michael Grass)
18. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (Michael Grass)
19. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: Fw: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show (JEFF ROBERTS)
20. 11:07 PM - SV: Front wheel wobbling (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
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| Subject: | Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 |
So far, 19 Europa's signed up for a visit. Anyone else planning to come that did
not yet sign up?
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Marcel
(Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW - formerly G-BWON)
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| Subject: | Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 |
On 09/05/2010 12:55 PM, zwakie wrote:
> So far, 19 Europa's signed up for a visit. Anyone else planning to come that
did not yet sign up?
Thanks. I've just added the PH-DIY to the list.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
Hi All,
Seems like most are planning to arrive Friday, so meetings could be on Saturday.
Some topics lend themselves to discussions around an airplane, i.e. cooling
issues, AirMaster Prop, VG install, Billet Fuel Pump. Others (MG, fuel safety,
fuel injection) would be better in a meeting room. Perhaps we could have a
couple of informal sessions at the airstrip, maybe Saturday morning after breakfast
(9:30 am?) and after lunch (1:30 pm?). Then a meeting room session Saturday
late afternoon (3:30 pm?).
We're interested in all of the suggested topics and think it would be a good idea
to tentatively set topics & approximate times so people can plan their other
activities.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
Hi Jim,
Yes I agree we might need more time. How about depending on weather we
decide on the meetings. I say this because what better time for those
that are still building to go flying than in the AM on Saturday... Or
it may be later in the day on Saturday that makes more sense (weather
depending). I believe the most inspiring part of building is the
thought of flight.
Ii looks like the official gathering needs to be on Saturday as some
might not get in till then. Plus... those 2nd day arrivals may not get
in till sometime after breakfast. We could make an afternoon of it.
Just a thought.
Now the weather is beautiful this AM in Tennessee so I'm going
flying... LOL!
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Sep 4, 2010, at 6:45 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Jeff-
>
> When you look at the number of topics, an hour would probably fall
> way short. I would suggest that we start either after breakfast or
> after lunch and go until we are done. If you poll for topics, there
> are several out there and all would probably be of interest.
> (only my opinion)
> Jim Puglise
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 4, 2010 6:33:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show
>
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2010, at 3:07 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> > HI all RR Attendees,
> >
> > I guess the Idea of a talk and discussion of topics is on tab for
> > before or after dinner on Saturday evening. Probably would be best
> > for before. We can save the one on ones for a social/beer drinking
> > time after dinner.
>
> Jeff,
>
> Could we hold off on deciding "when" until we hear from more folks?
>
> We could consider more than one time period...one thought: we could
> convene for an hour, right after breakfast, say from 9 til 10
> am...then continue for an hou= &=
>
>
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| Subject: | RR dogs & ponies |
...here's an idea...
How about after breakfast Saturday...say 9:00 am...we gather in the
lodge meeting room...give everyone an opportunity to speak for up to
5-6 minutes...basically to introduce themselves and give a snapshot of
their Europa experience...but also to bring up topics of particular
interest for later discussion...and...if an individual feels he has
some expertise in a particular area and would volunteer to lead a
discussion on a specific topic...we could have a board set up to list
topics, time slots, and location (meeting rm., at the air strip, or
around a specific aircraft).
I'm hesitant to suggest anything more specific since much of our
activity will be weather dependent and subject to change.
Fred
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The 6Ns trip is due off next Saturday and we are thinking (weather willing)
of going down through France, across Switzerland, into Austria, possibly to
Budapest (Budaors), then through Czech Republic & Germany to end up at Texel
I have stopped off in all these countries, but would welcome any
suggestions/inside knowledge of nice and preferably not too expensive stop
over places, that we might not have visited before.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | RE: Rough River - There's always ONE guy |
....and it's me.
As one of the senior builders (began 23MAY97) I take it upon my shoulders to
suggest we of the unwashed are seriously angry about you not waiting for us
to finish before soaring off on these auspicious lecture series.
Thus I suggest if Bud and others are going to release previously
secret Hints and Kinks, that either the Head Bagel or the lecturer himself
prepare a paper on them for distribution later - so that a formal Clique Of
Cognoscienti does not form when we're not ready. We would still be drawn to
future gatherings at RR because second-hand info is still a deterrent but
necessary at present.
As a sign of sincerity, I will promise to be the scribe next year (hoping to
be airborne by then).
Fratrernally, Ferg
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| Subject: | Front wheel wobbling |
Hello, Im a proud newby since Ive bought my Europa classic TRG in
June this year.
Im German, so please apollogise my bad english particular when it comes
to technical terms.
Now to my problem with the front wheel:
While landing on tomac the front wheel wobbles like the wheels on an old
shopping trolley.
This is rather uncomfortable and embarrassing.
It never occures in the takeoff.
It now seems to me, that the bolt of the front wheel fork is bent.
I do not know whether the bolt was bent by wobbling or the wobbling has
got its origin in the bented bolt.
Any suggestions?
Juergen
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| Subject: | Re: RR dogs & ponies |
Sounds very logical Fred. My plan is to arrive on Friday the 17th in
time for a gathering at the dinner table like 2 years ago. If it's
good with everyone else say around 5 or 6:PM central. Then your idea
of a Saturday breakfast 9:a, then meeting times & topics set makes a
lot of sense. Count me in.
BTW: For anyone coming up from the south. You are welcome to stop at
our airfield where we live. We have a local station not far that has
non alcohol gas and we can fly on up to RR together if you like. We
are about 40 30 or so miles south of Nashville TN. Our identifier is
TN-14 or otherwise known as T-Top Airfield. Runway headings are 2 &
20. 3600 foot grass and we're the only place on the south end. Let me
know off list and we'll have a few full cans of petro waiting
Regards,
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Sep 5, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Fred Klein wrote:
>
> ...here's an idea...
>
> How about after breakfast Saturday...say 9:00 am...we gather in the
> lodge meeting room...give everyone an opportunity to speak for up to
> 5-6 minutes...basically to introduce themselves and give a snapshot
> of their Europa experience...but also to bring up topics of
> particular interest for later discussion...and...if an individual
> feels he has some expertise in a particular area and would volunteer
> to lead a discussion on a specific topic...we could have a board set
> up to list topics, time slots, and location (meeting rm., at the air
> strip, or around a specific aircraft).
>
> I'm hesitant to suggest anything more specific since much of our
> activity will be weather dependent and subject to change.
>
> Fred
>
>
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| Subject: | Front wheel wobbling |
Hi! Juergen.
I would think that your "shimmy" friction Damper isn't correctly adjusted.
With incorrect setting it can wobble so violently it could destroy the whole
wheel assembly. Have you details of the Modification to the pivot shaft oil
"o" ring inclusion? There is also some special friction/ Viscus grease
which makes the castering assembly stiff to turn that you can add.
I strongly recommend that you ground the aircraft until you have checked
this information out. (I am assuming the axle for the wheel is also adjusted
correctly to give the tapered bearings a correct "pre-loading")
On take off the loading on the wheel is minimal since the propeller will be
lifting the weight off the wheel.
To properly inspect the nose wheel you need to weight the tail of the
aircraft down to lift the nose wheel off the ground.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
PS All the above presumes that the castering pivot shaft hasn't been bent,
Mine did and eventually pulled out of the Yoke costing a new propeller and
engine when the wheel departed on landing/.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Juergen
Buschmann
Sent: 05 September 2010 21:24
Subject: Europa-List: Front wheel wobbling
Hello, Im a proud newby since Ive bought my Europa classic TRG in
June this year.
Im German, so please apollogise my bad english particular when it comes
to technical terms.
Now to my problem with the front wheel:
While landing on tomac the front wheel wobbles like the wheels on an old
shopping trolley.
This is rather uncomfortable and embarrassing.
It never occures in the takeoff.
It now seems to me, that the bolt of the front wheel fork is bent.
I do not know whether the bolt was bent by wobbling or the wobbling has
got its origin in the bented bolt.
Any suggestions?
Juergen
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| Subject: | Re: RR dogs & ponies |
Fred, I like your idea. Seems like it would meet most people's needs. I
will volunteer to assist.
Bob, N77EU (TurboToy) mono-gear from San Diego area.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Klein" <fklein@orcasonline.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 9:27 AM
Subject: Europa-List: RR dogs & ponies
>
> ...here's an idea...
>
> How about after breakfast Saturday...say 9:00 am...we gather in the lodge
> meeting room...give everyone an opportunity to speak for up to 5-6
> minutes...basically to introduce themselves and give a snapshot of their
> Europa experience...but also to bring up topics of particular interest
> for later discussion...and...if an individual feels he has some expertise
> in a particular area and would volunteer to lead a discussion on a
> specific topic...we could have a board set up to list topics, time slots,
> and location (meeting rm., at the air strip, or around a specific
> aircraft).
>
> I'm hesitant to suggest anything more specific since much of our activity
> will be weather dependent and subject to change.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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We're making up nametags for RR and trying to include N numbers and residence city
and state. We're missing some information. Here's what we have:
Jeff & Mary Behrans - N55XS Baton Rouge, LA
Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Smyrna, TN
Troy & Donna Maynor - Weaverville, NC
Jim & Lynne Puglise -missing builder #, n# and city, FL
John & Susan Lawton - N245E Dunlap, TN
Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Corinth, TX
Paul & Jenny McAllister... N378PJ Pewaukee, WI
Jim & Heather Butcher - N241BW Kalamazoo, MI
Bud Yearly - N12AY Valrico, FL
Jim Brown - N398JB - Wildwood, FL
John & Paddy Wigney - N262WF Mooresville, NC
Jim Woolnough - missing builder #, n# city & state
Creighton Smith A-036 - missing city and state
Bob Lindsay - N77EU Coranado, CA
Erich Trombley - N28ET Las Vegas, NV
Kim Prout - N111EU Upland, CA
Kevin Klinefelter N211KA Bishop, CA
Fred Kline..A194.. Orcas Island, WA
William McCellan A164 Newbury Park, CA
Please let us know of corrections or additions. Send directly to butcher43@att.net
or reply to this message with DO NOT ARCHIEVE
Thanks
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Rough River - There's always ONE guy |
Fergus=0AI hope you are airborne next year! Me too! If I were in the US I d
efinitely =0Awould fly to the Europa RR in my Long EZ, after all I have don
e the reverse. =0A(Flew to RR EZ gathering in Paul's Europa, RH seat of cou
rse).=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Fergus K
yle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>=0ATo: 5EUROPALIST <europa-list@matronics.com>=0ASent:
Sunday, 5 September, 2010 21:13:38=0ASubject: Europa-List: RE: Rough River
- There's always ONE guy=0A=0ARE: Rough River - There's always ONE guy =0A
....and it=99s me.=0AAs one of the senior builders (began23MAY
97) I take it upon my shoulders to =0Asuggest we of the unwashed are seriou
sly angry about you not waitingfor us to =0Afinishbeforesoaringoff on these
auspicious lecture series.=0A Thus I suggest if Bud and others are
going to release previously =0AsecretHints andKinks, thateitherthe Head Bag
el or the lecturer himself prepare a =0Apaperon themfor distribution later
=93so that a formal CliqueOf Cognoscienti does =0Anot form when we
=99re not ready. We would still be drawn to future gatherings at =0ARR b
ecause second-hand info is still a deterrent but necessaryat present.=0AAs
a sign of sincerity,I will promise to be the scribe next year (hoping to be
=== =0A
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| Subject: | Re: RR dogs & ponies |
On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:30 PM, ROBERT LINDSAY wrote:
> I like your idea. Seems like it would meet most people's needs. I
> will volunteer to assist.
Terrific Bob...lookin forward to meet'g you...Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Front wheel wobbling |
Jurgen,
For more information, go to http://www.europa-aircraft.com/ and select "Builder Assistance" from the colum on the left. After that page loads, select the "BUILDERS MANUALS" tab. This will load the page with the Builder's Manuals. Scroll down that page and select Chapter 29T - Landing Gear Tri Gear. Find the Nose Gear Introduction on Page 8 and begin reading there. Read at least through page 11.
Do not fly the aircraft again until the nose wheel shimmy has been corrected.
You will damage the nose wheel assembly. Don't hesitate to call Europa for assistance
and supplemental instructions either.
If you need assistance translating the English to German, go to http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ to help in translating the document. The translations are not perfect, but they help.
Viel gluck mein freund.
Check six,
Bob Borger
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914
rlborger@mac.com
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Sep 5, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Juergen Buschmann wrote:
>
> Hello, Im a proud newby since Ive bought my Europa classic TRG in June this year.
> Im German, so please apollogise my bad english particular when it comes to technical
terms.
> Now to my problem with the front wheel:
> While landing on tomac the front wheel wobbles like the wheels on an old shopping
trolley.
> This is rather uncomfortable and embarrassing.
> It never occures in the takeoff.
> It now seems to me, that the bolt of the front wheel fork is bent.
> I do not know whether the bolt was bent by wobbling or the wobbling has got its
origin in the bented bolt.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Juergen
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Hey Jim, Need to fix my last name. "Behrnes"
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/5/2010 4:34 PM, h&jeuropa wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "h&jeuropa"<butcher43@att.net>
>
> We're making up nametags for RR and trying to include N numbers and residence
city and state. We're missing some information. Here's what we have:
>
> Jeff& Mary Behrans - N55XS Baton Rouge, LA
> Jeff& Karen Roberts - N128LJ Smyrna, TN
> Troy& Donna Maynor - Weaverville, NC
> Jim& Lynne Puglise -missing builder #, n# and city, FL
> John& Susan Lawton - N245E Dunlap, TN
> Bob& Maureen Borger N914XL Corinth, TX
> Paul& Jenny McAllister... N378PJ Pewaukee, WI
> Jim& Heather Butcher - N241BW Kalamazoo, MI
> Bud Yearly - N12AY Valrico, FL
> Jim Brown - N398JB - Wildwood, FL
> John& Paddy Wigney - N262WF Mooresville, NC
> Jim Woolnough - missing builder #, n# city& state
> Creighton Smith A-036 - missing city and state
> Bob Lindsay - N77EU Coranado, CA
> Erich Trombley - N28ET Las Vegas, NV
> Kim Prout - N111EU Upland, CA
> Kevin Klinefelter N211KA Bishop, CA
> Fred Kline..A194.. Orcas Island, WA
> William McCellan A164 Newbury Park, CA
>
> Please let us know of corrections or additions. Send directly to butcher43@att.net
or reply to this message with DO NOT ARCHIEVE
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim& Heather
> N241BW
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311470#311470
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
I am planning to arrive right in time for lunch on Saturday with my old (and
slow) C150. Looks like I will camping right under my wing. All depends on
weather of course.
Hopefully I wont miss to much of the very interesting topics.
Michael Grass
A286 Trigear, Detroit
Building paused for more then a year now and in desperate need for
motivation again.
----- Original Message -----
From: "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
Sent: 2010-09-05 09:51
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show
>
> Hi All,
>
> Seems like most are planning to arrive Friday, so meetings could be on
> Saturday. Some topics lend themselves to discussions around an airplane,
> i.e. cooling issues, AirMaster Prop, VG install, Billet Fuel Pump. Others
> (MG, fuel safety, fuel injection) would be better in a meeting room.
> Perhaps we could have a couple of informal sessions at the airstrip, maybe
> Saturday morning after breakfast (9:30 am?) and after lunch (1:30 pm?).
> Then a meeting room session Saturday late afternoon (3:30 pm?).
>
> We're interested in all of the suggested topics and think it would be a
> good idea to tentatively set topics & approximate times so people can plan
> their other activities.
>
> Jim & Heather
> N241BW
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311425#311425
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
need to make a minor correction
Had a typo in the serial number of my Europa
It is A266 Europa XS Trigear
Hope to see you all at RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
Sent: 2010-09-05 20:52
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show
>
> I am planning to arrive right in time for lunch on Saturday with my old
> (and slow) C150. Looks like I will camping right under my wing. All
> depends on weather of course.
> Hopefully I wont miss to much of the very interesting topics.
>
> Michael Grass
> A286 Trigear, Detroit
>
> Building paused for more then a year now and in desperate need for
> motivation again.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 2010-09-05 09:51
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show
>
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Seems like most are planning to arrive Friday, so meetings could be on
>> Saturday. Some topics lend themselves to discussions around an airplane,
>> i.e. cooling issues, AirMaster Prop, VG install, Billet Fuel Pump.
>> Others (MG, fuel safety, fuel injection) would be better in a meeting
>> room. Perhaps we could have a couple of informal sessions at the
>> airstrip, maybe Saturday morning after breakfast (9:30 am?) and after
>> lunch (1:30 pm?). Then a meeting room session Saturday late afternoon
>> (3:30 pm?).
>>
>> We're interested in all of the suggested topics and think it would be a
>> good idea to tentatively set topics & approximate times so people can
>> plan their other activities.
>>
>> Jim & Heather
>> N241BW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311425#311425
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show |
Glad to see your coming Michael. I have just the motivation needed.
How bout a little time in a Europa?
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Sep 5, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Michael Grass wrote:
> >
>
> I am planning to arrive right in time for lunch on Saturday with my
> old (and slow) C150. Looks like I will camping right under my wing.
> All depends on weather of course.
> Hopefully I wont miss to much of the very interesting topics.
>
> Michael Grass
> A286 Trigear, Detroit
>
> Building paused for more then a year now and in desperate need for
> motivation again.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "h&jeuropa" <butcher43@att.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 2010-09-05 09:51
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: RR Up-Date #13 Dog & Poney Show
>
>
>> <butcher43@att.net>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Seems like most are planning to arrive Friday, so meetings could be
>> on Saturday. Some topics lend themselves to discussions around an
>> airplane, i.e. cooling issues, AirMaster Prop, VG install, Billet
>> Fuel Pump. Others (MG, fuel safety, fuel injection) would be
>> better in a meeting room. Perhaps we could have a couple of
>> informal sessions at the airstrip, maybe Saturday morning after
>> breakfast (9:30 am?) and after lunch (1:30 pm?). Then a meeting
>> room session Saturday late afternoon (3:30 pm?).
>>
>> We're interested in all of the suggested topics and think it would
>> be a good idea to tentatively set topics & approximate times so
>> people can plan their other activities.
>>
>> Jim & Heather
>> N241BW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311425#311425
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Front wheel wobbling |
Juergen,
>It now seems to me, that the bolt of the front wheel fork is bent.
>I do not know whether the bolt was bent by wobbling or the wobbling has
>got its origin in the bented bolt.
>Any suggestions?
I do not know whether wobbling can cause the bolt to bend, but a hard nose-wheel
landing definitely can. I doubt that you can straighten the bent bolt without
risk of weakening the aluminum fork, so you may have to buy a new one from
Europa. I agree with Bob - you should check the nose gear thoroughly (including
the long gear leg and the bungee cord tension).
I had some wobbling on my first landing. Tightening the nut on top of the fork
bolt solved this, but I found the steering then to be harder then I preferred.
I have therefore used the vibration-dampening grease that Bob mentions, in
combination with the factory recommended tension of the nut. Apply the grease
only between the nose leg bearing and the friction disk, not inside the bearing.
This works great. I am away from home for three weeks, so I cannot give
you the name of the grease now. I bought it from USA - try an internet search.
You need only a small quantity, one application lasts for years.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
Oslo-Norway
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