---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/07/10: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 AM - Re: Re: SV: Front wheel wobbling (PHILLIPS I) 2. 12:51 AM - Re: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 (David Joyce) 3. 01:02 AM - Re: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 (PHILLIPS I) 4. 01:08 AM - Re: Auto-pilot servos (Steven Pitt) 5. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 (Steven Pitt) 6. 01:24 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and fuel systems (Robert C Harrison) 7. 01:34 AM - Re: Batteries and fuel systems (G-IANI) 8. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and fuel systems (William Daniell) 9. 04:35 AM - SV: Re: SV: Front wheel wobbling (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 10. 05:23 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and fuel systems (Robert C Harrison) 11. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and fuel systems (G-IANI) 12. 07:51 AM - Re: Auto-pilot servos (G-IANI) 13. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Batteries and fuel systems (William Daniell) 14. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Rough River - There's always ONE guy (Jeff B) 15. 10:03 AM - Re: MG Airbrake question (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 16. 10:04 AM - RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. (JEFF ROBERTS) 17. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Rough River - There's always ONE guy (Peter Zutrauen) 18. 01:24 PM - Re: MG Airbrake question (Karl Heindl) 19. 01:51 PM - Re: MG Airbrake question (rparigoris) 20. 02:20 PM - Re: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. (Steven Pitt) 21. 02:20 PM - Re: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 22. 02:54 PM - Re: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times (JEFF ROBERTS) 23. 02:55 PM - Fuel pumps 914 (Jerry Rehn) 24. 03:38 PM - Re: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 25. 03:48 PM - Re: RR Report to the forum (JEFF ROBERTS) 26. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: RR Report to the forum (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 27. 09:45 PM - Re: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times (Fred Klein) 28. 11:02 PM - Re: Fuel pumps 914 (Robert C Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: SV: Front wheel wobbling From: PHILLIPS I Hi Juergen The grease is called Nyogel 767a, Made by Nye Lubricants,inc USA all you would need is a 50gms Sample pot, I have already shared my pot four ways but if you cannot source any i can probably squeeze one more from it, Mod 59 is well worth doing and quite simple to do, Mod 59 PDF attached regards Ivor On 7 September 2010 06:29, europapa wrote: > > Dear friends, > > thank you so much for your fast and profound reply. > Yes my Europa is now grounded and I ordered a new front wheel fork. > If I had only asked you more early! > Has got anyone experiences with Mod #59 to the front wheel assembly. > Would you recommend it? > The search for the anti shimmy grease wasn=B4t very successful. > May be any one in the EU resident can share a few spoon full. > I will tell you about my progress. > Thank=B4s again > > Juergen > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311637#311637 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:52 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 John, You would be entirely welcome to join the 6Ns or if you want a shorter tour ending up in Texel contact Bob Hitchcock to see if you could join his Last of the Summer Wine (robert.hitchcock@virgin.net ) If just after route & stopping place info, suggest giving me a buzz on 01454 260542. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wighton" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:40 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 > > Chaps (and Chapesses), > As a newby to this European touring lark it would be great to have some > info from others about routing. As G-IPOD has just undergone (under going > actually) a mild panel re-fit, the direct sea crossing is a bit daunting. > Maybe flying in loose formation would make it less of a strain? How are > other UK based Europas routing to Texel? > > I guess l could join Mr Joyce's 6Ns tour and get there the long way > around!!! > > Weather may be a little iffy - hopefully September will win through again. > Regards > JW > > G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311558#311558 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:02:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 From: PHILLIPS I Hi John I intend to travel out on Friday mid morning weather permitting from Lydd EGMD, My normal Routing will be DVR dct Konan dct KOK dct COA dct Dordrecht dct PAM dct ENKOS DCT EHTX, You are welcome to join me if you don't decide to go on the six nations trip with David, Best wishes Ivor On 6 September 2010 20:40, John Wighton wrote: > > Chaps (and Chapesses), > As a newby to this European touring lark it would be great to have some > info from others about routing. As G-IPOD has just undergone (under going > actually) a mild panel re-fit, the direct sea crossing is a bit daunting. > Maybe flying in loose formation would make it less of a strain? How are > other UK based Europas routing to Texel? > > I guess l could join Mr Joyce's 6Ns tour and get there the long way > around!!! > > Weather may be a little iffy - hopefully September will win through again. > Regards > JW > > G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311558#311558 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:58 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Auto-pilot servos I have the Trio (wing leveller) and think its great - easy to fit as an after thought and no weight penalties over the turn coordinator I took out. Links to my Skymap 3c. The company has made good progress with its equipment in a short time and when I have met the owners at Sun'n'Fun they seem to know the business well. My opinion only. Can't answer the second part but Ian Rickard possibly can (Mods rep for the Club). Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Sivier To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 5:46 PM Subject: Europa-List: Auto-pilot servos Folks I am getting started on my cockpit module and as I want to install an auto-pilot, I am planning to buy and install the servos whilst everything is easily accessible. My thinking at the moment is to buy Trio servos as these seem to be well supported by the various EFIS manufacturers. I have a couple of questions: firstly, are Trio as good as their web site says they are? And secondly, there is an option on the Trio to have auto trim adjustment - is this worth having and is it approved by the LAA as part of the auto-pilot mod? Cheers Rick ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:45 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 John, Where are you based and when do you hope to go to Texel? I am hoping to go out on Friday with Dave Bosomworth from Popham and another Europa in tow would not be a problem Our routing is normally Dover - Konan- Ostend. Although it is over water for an hour you can see the coast on either side all the way (visibility permitting!!). Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wighton" Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:40 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 > > Chaps (and Chapesses), > As a newby to this European touring lark it would be great to have some > info from others about routing. As G-IPOD has just undergone (under going > actually) a mild panel re-fit, the direct sea crossing is a bit daunting. > Maybe flying in loose formation would make it less of a strain? How are > other UK based Europas routing to Texel? > > I guess l could join Mr Joyce's 6Ns tour and get there the long way > around!!! > > Weather may be a little iffy - hopefully September will win through again. > Regards > JW > > G-IPOD > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311558#311558 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:17 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems Hi! Ron/Will/all Re:- finger filters etc. "just don't remind me !" Thanks for doing the tests and making my event just more believable. I didn't have any followers when I scrapped the finger filters and since then a friend has produced "brass finger tubes" with many deburred holes in them which I am successfully flying. (he was intent on my preservation) Of course finger filters have in the past prevented many fuel failures but I believe they are somewhat redundant with nylon tanks. The best way is to use pre-filters when filling the tank, or another extreme is to "shave the dog" as Neveille Eyre, ex-Europa factory fame suggested. Also an annual inspection and mopping out hole in the tank top would help as per mod of fitting fuel level sensors in the tank top. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 07 September 2010 03:38 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems thanks - oh boy and I have 4 of them! Labs I mean. rparigoris wrote: > > Hi Will > > 914 fuel system: > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28612 > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28355 > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27522 > > Using a PC545: > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30710 > > Also a 2.2 amp total loss NiMh battery: > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30502 > > Using a SD20S as mail alternator on vacuum pad and a LR3C regulator: > http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28318 > > Hope that helps. > Ron Parigoris > > BTW PTAG, I was cleaning kitchen floor yesterday and washing off mop in kitchen sink. we have a yellow lab. Anyway it didn't take long for the strainer to get clogged. after a while the dog hair began to get few and far between. I decided to try an experiment, I made a template to only expose a 3/16" hole. Dog hair had no problem with just a fews hairs that would somehow lay across 3/16" hole and after a while just clog it. > I tried putting a fine screen over intake and after a while it would clog. I tried a course screen and it would allow hairs to get through and clog the 3/16" outlet. > I even left the drain wide opened which was about a 1" opening that had a thin cross over it with a ~ 3/16" hole in the center. Dog hair would clog that as well after a while. > Bottom line dog hair is bad stuff to get in your tank. I don't think not having a screen on tank outlets will save you by just passing hair through to filter, it will create a net and then catches debris and other hair like a magnet. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311610#311610 > > > . > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:21 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Batteries and fuel systems Frans Thanks for your thoughts on the pump setup in G-IRON. You are absolutely right about the electrical connector setup. We missed that when doing this board even though I had separated them in G-IANI. The filters are the later type with the cast centre section (not the tube). These do not need the springs as the filter buts against a fixed stop. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:35 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems Bob My dogs say that that Nev's solution in unacceptable...perhaps you could send a pic of the mopping our hole Will Robert C Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Ron/Will/all > Re:- finger filters etc. > "just don't remind me !" Thanks for doing the tests and making my event just > more believable. I didn't have any followers when I scrapped the finger > filters and since then a friend has produced "brass finger tubes" with many > deburred holes in them which I am successfully flying. (he was intent on my > preservation) Of course finger filters have in the past prevented many fuel > failures but I believe they are somewhat redundant with nylon tanks. The > best way is to use pre-filters when filling the tank, or another extreme is > to "shave the dog" as Neveille Eyre, ex-Europa factory fame suggested. > Also an annual inspection and mopping out hole in the tank top would help as > per mod of fitting fuel level sensors in the tank top. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:35 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Re: SV: Front wheel wobbling Juergen, >The search for the anti shimmy grease wasnt very successful. >May be any one in the EU resident can share a few spoon full. If you can wait until I return home (abt 1st of October) and send me your address (send to sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no), I will wrap some grease in plastic and mail it to you. Regards, Svein ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:01 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems Hi! Will. I can hear the howls of protest ....woof! in unison! Can't help with a picture ...it's buried! However my records show PFA Mod 10602 perhaps Ian Rickard would help with a pdf of the mod? Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Daniell Sent: 07 September 2010 12:34 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems Bob My dogs say that that Nev's solution in unacceptable...perhaps you could send a pic of the mopping our hole Will Robert C Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Ron/Will/all > Re:- finger filters etc. > "just don't remind me !" Thanks for doing the tests and making my event just > more believable. I didn't have any followers when I scrapped the finger > filters and since then a friend has produced "brass finger tubes" with many > deburred holes in them which I am successfully flying. (he was intent on my > preservation) Of course finger filters have in the past prevented many fuel > failures but I believe they are somewhat redundant with nylon tanks. The > best way is to use pre-filters when filling the tank, or another extreme is > to "shave the dog" as Neveille Eyre, ex-Europa factory fame suggested. > Also an annual inspection and mopping out hole in the tank top would help as > per mod of fitting fuel level sensors in the tank top. > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:09 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems Will/Bob Mod 10602 was for the Averlec Fuel Gauge. I never used that gauge, as Europa introduced their fuel gauge, but the large "manhole" cover makes for easy access to the tank. Copy of 10602 attached. For most purposes the hole for the Europa fuel gauge (Mod 60) should be sufficient. It is big enough to get a vacuum cleaner hose in. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:20 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Auto-pilot servos Rick Yes Trio has a good reputation. Only the roll autopilot mod (SM 10507) was approved by the LAA directly. The Roll Autopilot became Europa Mod 75 and I documented the Altitude hold as Europa Mod 76. Mod 76 does not cover the auto trim feature of the Trio. Mike Parkin is, I believe, experimenting with the auto trim but I have not heard what progress he has made. Francis Donaldson has some reservations regarding autopilots and electric pitch (see this months LA article). As my aircraft uses the TruTrak servos, I cannot do the work on this directly. If someone is making progress I will be happy to feed this back into the Europa mods. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:06 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Batteries and fuel systems thanks Yes I have this mod BUT obedient (this was the early days) to the instructions it came with I put it under the headrest.....so given that I don't have quadruple jointed arms it will be difficult to use this as a mopping out hole. That is unless someone has another mod for making the headrest removable - perhaps one could cut it off make a flange and then use screws/nut plates to put it back in place. I suppose the other option is to remove the tank fuel outlet assembly and the finger strainers annually which looks considerably easier. Any ideas? Will G-IANI wrote: > Will/Bob > > Mod 10602 was for the Averlec Fuel Gauge. I never used that gauge, as > Europa introduced their fuel gauge, but the large "manhole" cover makes for > easy access to the tank. Copy of 10602 attached. > > For most purposes the hole for the Europa fuel gauge (Mod 60) should be > sufficient. It is big enough to get a vacuum cleaner hose in. > > > Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours > Europa Club Mods Specialist > e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:51 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Rough River - There's always ONE guy Hey, Ferg Not promising, but I may be able to get some video for the web site. I'll let the list know if it comes about... 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We would still be > drawn to future gatherings at RR because second-hand info is still a > deterrent but necessary at present. > > As a sign of sincerity, I will promise to be the scribe next year > (hoping to be airborne by then). > > Fratrernally, Ferg > > * > > > * > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: MG Airbrake question From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" SGkgS2FybCwNCg0KIA0KDQpJIG1lYXN1cmVkIHRoZSBhaXJicmFrZXMgdGhpcyB3ZWVrZW5kLiAg QXQgdGhlIHJvb3QgZW5kIG9mIHRoZSBhaXJicmFrZSBpdCBpcyAyMi4yIGNtIHdpZGUsIHdpdGgg OC41IGNtIGdvaW5nIHVwIGFuZCAxMy43IGNtIGdvaW5nIGRvd24gd2hlbiBkZXBsb3llZC4gIFN0 YXRpY2FsbHkgd2UgZ2V0IDY2IGRlZyBvZiB0cmF2ZWwsIGl04oCZcyBoYXJkIHRvIHNheSBob3cg bXVjaCBpbiBmbGlnaHQsIGJ1dCBJIGV4cGVjdCBpdCBpcyBhdCBsZWFzdCA2MCBkZWcuDQoNCiAN Cg0KUmVnYXJkcywNCg0KVGVycnkNCg0KIA0KDQogDQoNCkZyb206IG93bmVyLWV1cm9wYS1saXN0 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Gentleman, I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting room for Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it. I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask Bud Yearly to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request for this info. He wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to cover it at the meeting room or at the runway. For all of us and our wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the point. The topics should be ones that most would be interested in. Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot of it. Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out there.... well you don't know my wife! Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This should be informal discussion at it's best. 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. 5. Bud: Solving short field and stall characteristics by use of VGs.... Very interesting! 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes this topic! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector that works well on the 9 series engine. 7. 8. 9. 10. Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues. 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you would like to cover or if I have this wrong. 3. 4. 5. Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a better chance of planning the times. Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this will be!! I am praying to the weather gods every day! Regards, Jeff R. Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing please let me know. Lates Attendees: Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dragon Lady. Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl mods ready. Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud! Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep em separate boys! John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard mates! Great to have the west coast boys. Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit Planes Magazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) Fred Kline.... All the way from Orcas Island, WA William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the big iron in with Fred. Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his C -150 Welcome Michael! Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 2010 and beyond! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:51 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Rough River - There's always ONE guy Many thx to Jeff if the video become reality! Wish I was there, Pete A239 Still a pile of parts. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Jeff B wrote: > > Hey, Ferg > > Not promising, but I may be able to get some video for the web site. I'll > let the list know if it comes about... > > Now get back to work on your bird... :) > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > On 9/5/2010 3:13 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote: > >> ....and it=92s me. >> >> As one of the senior builders (began 23MAY97) I take it upon my >> shoulders to suggest we of the unwashed are seriously angry about you >> not waiting for us to finish before soaring off on these auspicious >> lecture series. >> >> Thus I suggest if Bud and others are going to release previously secret >> Hints and Kinks, that either the Head Bagel or the lecturer himself >> prepare a paper on them for distribution later ' so that a formal Cliq ue >> Of Cognoscienti does not form when we=92re not ready. We would still be >> drawn to future gatherings at RR because second-hand info is still a >> deterrent but necessary at present. >> >> As a sign of sincerity, I will promise to be the scribe next year >> (hoping to be airborne by then). >> >> Fratrernally, Ferg >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> >> =========== > =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:12 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: MG Airbrake question DQpNYW55IHRoYW5rcywgVGVycnkuIFRoZSB3aWR0aCBtZWFzdXJlbWVudCBpcyB0aGUgc2FtZSBh cyBtaW5lLiBJIHdpbGwgaGF2ZSB0byBjaGVjayB0aGUgb3RoZXIgdHdvLiBJIGFtIHN1cnByaXNl ZCB0aGF0IG9uIHRoZSBncm91bmQgeW91IGdldCA2NiBkZWdyZWVzLiBUaGUgYnVpbGQgbWFudWFs IGNhbGxzIGZvciA2MC4gQW5kIEkgd291bGRuJ3Qga25vdyBob3cgdG8gaW5jcmVhc2UgdGhhdCBi ZWNhdXNlIHRoZSB0cmF2ZWwgaXMgbGltaXRlZCBieSB0aGUgbnlsb24gc3RvcCBuZWFyIHRoZSBi 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Any ideas how to raise (mixed) ailerons when you apply airbrakes (crow)? That should help out a bit and effectively give you more washout at the same time. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=311731#311731 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:14 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. Jeff, Any feedback you can give to the rest of the forum after your event would be appreciated. Regards to all especially from this side of the pond. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: JEFF ROBERTS To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. Gentleman, I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting room for Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it. I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask Bud Yearly to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request for this info. He wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to cover it at the meeting room or at the runway. For all of us and our wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the point. The topics should be ones that most would be interested in. Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot of it. Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out there.... well you don't know my wife! Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This should be informal discussion at it's best. 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. 5. Bud: Solving short field and stall characteristics by use of VGs.... Very interesting! 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes this topic! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector that works well on the 9 series engine. 7. 8. 9. 10. Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues. 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you would like to cover or if I have this wrong. 3. 4. 5. Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a better chance of planning the times. Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this will be!! I am praying to the weather gods every day! Regards, Jeff R. Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing please let me know. Lates Attendees: Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dragon Lady. Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl mods ready. Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud! Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep em separate boys! John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard mates! Great to have the west coast boys. Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit Planes Magazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) Fred Kline.... All the way from Orcas Island, WA William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the big iron in with Fred. Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his C -150 Welcome Michael! Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 2010 and beyond! ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:15 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. Jeff-VGs are very important to me, but they are already there. Jim Puglise=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:03:31 PM Subject: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. Gentleman, I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting room fo r Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it.=C2- I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask Bud Yearl y to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request for this info. H e wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to cover it at the meeting room or at the run way. For all of us and our wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the point. The topics should be ones that most would be inter ested in. Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot of it.=C2- Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out there.... well you don' t know my wife! Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This should be in formal discussion at it's best. 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. 5. Bud: Solving=C2-short field=C2-and stall characteristics by use of V Gs.... Very interesting! 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes this topi c! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector that works well on the 9 series engine.=C2- 7. 8. 9. 10. Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues.=C2- 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you would li ke to cover or if I have this wrong. 3. 4. 5. Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a better c hance of planning the times.=C2- Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this will be! ! I am praying to the weather gods every day! Regards, Jeff R. Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing please let me know. Lates Attendees: Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa Bob & Maureen=C2-Borger=C2-N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dra gon Lady. Paul McAllister... =C2-N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl mo ds ready. Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!=C2- Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep em s eparate boys! John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard mates! Great to have the west coast boys. Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit Planes M agazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) Fred Kline.... All the way from=C2- Orcas Island, WA William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the big iro n in with Fred.=C2- Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his C -150 Welcome Michael! =C2-Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 2010 and beyond!=C2 - ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:35 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times Guys, The large meeting room is booked with a wedding that day. They have another room down the hall called the Terrace room but it can't be used till 5:pm. It's cost is $75 and we can go as late as necessary. My suggestion would be to meet at the flight line and cover as much as necessary. Then we can also use the lounge right there as well. My guess is the wives wouldn't want to attend anyway so the small lounge may work. If you like chime in here and give me your vote. I can book the meeting room for 5:p and we can all chip in there to pay for it. It will seat over 50 so we'll have plenty of room and perhaps a dry erase board as well. This will place our Saturday supper late. Hey maybe we could eat there as well? I'll check on it. Jeff R On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:16 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote: > Jeff-VGs are very important to me, but they are already there. > Jim Puglise > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEFF ROBERTS" > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:03:31 PM > Subject: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. > > Gentleman, > I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting > room for Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also > a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it. > > I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask > Bud Yearly to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request > for this info. He wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you > would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic > you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to > cover it at the meeting room or at the runway. For all of us and our > wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the > point. The topics should be ones that most would be interested in. > Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot > of it. > Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend > money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out > there.... well you don't know my wife! > > > Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. > > Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This > should be informal discussion at it's best. > 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. > 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety > 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. > 5. Bud: Solving short field and stall characteristics by use of > VGs.... Very interesting! > 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes > this topic! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector > that works well on the 9 series engine. > 7. > 8. > 9. > 10. > > Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. > > 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues. > 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you > would like to cover or if I have this wrong. > 3. > 4. > 5. > > Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a > better chance of planning the times. > > > Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this > will be!! I am praying to the weather gods every day! > Regards, > Jeff R. > > > Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing > please let me know. > > Lates Attendees: > Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. > Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In > Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. > Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, > beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) > John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa > Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dragon > Lady. > Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl > mods ready. > Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in > Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud! > Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. > Keep em separate boys! > John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF > Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. > Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard > mates! > Great to have the west coast boys. > Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 > Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 > Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit > Planes Magazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 > And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let > us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) > Fred Kline.... All the way from Orcas Island, WA > William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the > big iron in with Fred. > Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his > C -150 Welcome Michael! > > > Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th > 2010 and beyond! > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:06 PM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: Fuel pumps 914 Here's a photo of the series recommended Rotax fuel pump setup using manifolds. They had this at the Rotax maintenance class I attended in Canada. Nice and clean. These manifolds and this setup were designed for use in certified 914s. I was going to buy the manifolds until I found out they had "precious certified" costs as well. I went to McMasters and Aircraft Spruce and found "off the shelf" manifolds that worked for much less. Thanks to Dan Bish A144 for digging these out. He also has a photo in the Europa build gallery on this setup. Jerry ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:01 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times With the number attending, splitting that kind of cost should not be a prob lem.=C2- I'd say "book it."=C2- Jim Puglise ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 5:51:30 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times Guys, The large meeting room is booked with a wedding that day. They have another room down the hall called the Terrace room but it can't be used till 5:pm. It's cost is $75 and we can go as late as necessary.=C2- My suggestion would be to meet at the flight line and cover as much as nece ssary. =C2-Then we can also use the lounge right there as well. My guess is the wives wouldn't want to attend anyway so the small lounge may work. =C2- If you like chime in here and give me your vote. I can book the meeting roo m for 5:p and we can all chip in there to pay for it. It will seat over 50 so we'll have plenty of room and perhaps a dry erase board as well.=C2- This will place our Saturday supper late. Hey maybe we could eat there as w ell? I'll check on it. Jeff R On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:16 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote: Jeff-VGs are very important to me, but they are already there. Jim Puglise=C2- ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" < Jeff@rmmm.net > Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 1:03:31 PM Subject: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. Gentleman, I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting room fo r Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it.=C2- I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask Bud Yearl y to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request for this info. H e wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to cover it at the meeting room or at the run way. For all of us and our wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the point. The topics should be ones that most would be inter ested in. Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot of it.=C2- Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out there.... well you don' t know my wife! Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This should be in formal discussion at it's best. 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. 5. Bud: Solving=C2-short field=C2-and stall characteristics by use of V Gs.... Very interesting! 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes this topi c! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector that works well on the 9 series engine.=C2- 7. 8. 9. 10. Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues.=C2- 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you would li ke to cover or if I have this wrong. 3. 4. 5. Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a better c hance of planning the times.=C2- Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this will be! ! I am praying to the weather gods every day! Regards, Jeff R. Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing please let me know. Lates Attendees: Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa Bob & Maureen=C2-Borger=C2-N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dra gon Lady. Paul McAllister... =C2-N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl mo ds ready. Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!=C2- Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep em s eparate boys! John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard mates! Great to have the west coast boys. Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit Planes M agazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) Fred Kline.... All the way from=C2- Orcas Island, WA William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the big iro n in with Fred.=C2- Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his C -150 Welcome Michael! =C2-Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 201 0 and beyond!=C2- == ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:29 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: Re: RR Report to the forum Steve, We'll chose someone there to give a report to the forum. Any volunteers guys? Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Steven Pitt wrote: > Jeff, > Any feedback you can give to the rest of the forum after your event > would be appreciated. Regards to all especially from this side of > the pond. > Steve Pitt > G-SMDH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JEFF ROBERTS > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:03 PM > Subject: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. > > Gentleman, > I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting > room for Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also > a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it. > > I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask > Bud Yearly to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request > for this info. He wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you > would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic > you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to > cover it at the meeting room or at the runway. For all of us and our > wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the > point. The topics should be ones that most would be interested in. > Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot > of it. > Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend > money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out > there.... well you don't know my wife! > > > Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. > > Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This > should be informal discussion at it's best. > 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. > 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety > 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. > 5. Bud: Solving short field and stall characteristics by use of > VGs.... Very interesting! > 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes > this topic! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector > that works well on the 9 series engine. > 7. > 8. > 9. > 10. > > Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. > > 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues. > 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you > would like to cover or if I have this wrong. > 3. > 4. > 5. > > Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a > better chance of planning the times. > > > Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this > will be!! I am praying to the weather gods every day! > Regards, > Jeff R. > > > Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing > please let me know. > > Lates Attendees: > Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. > Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In > Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. > Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, > beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) > John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa > Bob & Maureen Borger N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dragon > Lady. > Paul McAllister... N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl > mods ready. > Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in > Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud! > Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. > Keep em separate boys! > John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF > Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. > Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard > mates! > Great to have the west coast boys. > Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 > Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 > Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit > Planes Magazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 > And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let > us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) > Fred Kline.... All the way from Orcas Island, WA > William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the > big iron in with Fred. > Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his > C -150 Welcome Michael! > > > Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th > 2010 and beyond! > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:11 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: RR Report to the forum Jeff- Sue Jeffers did a nice article for the Club Newsletter for the meeting year before last.=C2- Peter mentioned off-list that it would be nice to have the same done this time but Sue and he are not attending this year.=C2- I think John's wife is a photographer so maybe between us we can get some go od pics and put an article together. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEFF ROBERTS" Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2010 6:45:05 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: RR Report to the forum Steve, We'll chose someone there to give a report to the forum. Any volunteers guy s? Jeff R. =C2-N128LJ Gold Rush On Sep 7, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Steven Pitt wrote: Jeff, Any feedback you can give to the rest of the forum after your event would b e appreciated. Regards to all especially from this side of the pond. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: =C2- JEFF ROBERTS Sent: =C2- Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: =C2- Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Dog and Pony shows. Gentleman, I will hopefully confirm today or tomorrow that we have the meeting room fo r Saturday AM and any other time we'll need it. There is also a small room at the airport for a gathering should we also need it.=C2- I'm going to start a list of topics here on this page. I have ask Bud Yearl y to cover the ones you see as he has had a lot of request for this info. H e wants us all to join in as a discussion. If you would like to add to this list, place your name first then the topic you want to cover. Once we have an agenda we can make a plan to cover it at the meeting room or at the run way. For all of us and our wives, I would ask that we keep these reasonably short and to the point. The topics should be ones that most would be inter ested in. Remember... this fly-in is to learn but mostly to have FUN and a lot of it.=C2- Too much classroom will send my wife scurrying to a store to spend money. I know your going to say there aren't any stores out there.... well you don' t know my wife! Perhaps these would be better served in the meeting room. Anyone that has solved a problem can chime in at anytime. This should be in formal discussion at it's best. 1. Bud: Most important is the SB on the MG wing. 2. Bud: Next would be the Refueling safety 3. Bud: Finally is the long awaited New Airmaster Props. 5. Bud: Solving=C2-short field=C2-and stall characteristics by use of V Gs.... Very interesting! 6. Bud: New Rotax Ideas in the Fuel Injection arena... Jeff likes this topi c! I hear Rotac... the radial guys have a bolt on injector that works well on the 9 series engine.=C2- 7. 8. 9. 10. Perhaps these would be better served on the flight line. 1. Bud-Jeff & All: Cooling issues.=C2- 2. Kim Prout: Speed Mods etc. Kim let me know if there is more you would li ke to cover or if I have this wrong. 3. 4. 5. Please add your name and topic onto this list. This will give us a better c hance of planning the times.=C2- Thanks to all that want to contribute. Wow what a great event this will be! ! I am praying to the weather gods every day! Regards, Jeff R. Here's the latest attendance up-date. If there is anyone missing please let me know. Lates Attendees: Jeff & Mary Buhrans - N55XS Flying Baby Blue in. Jeff & Karen Roberts - N128LJ Gold Rush Flying In Troy & Donna Maynor - Flying his brand new Mono Classic ;o).. Jim & Lynne Puglise - Driving the air conditioned control tower, beer bar, meeting place/motor home. ;o) John & Susan Lawton - N245E Flying his Jab powered Europa Bob & Maureen=C2-Borger=C2-N914XL Flying In from Texas in... Little Dra gon Lady. Paul McAllister... =C2-N378PJ Back in the country and getting new cowl mo ds ready. Jim & Heather Butcher - Flying in Bud Yearly - N12AY Flying in... Yea Bud!=C2- Jim Brown - N398JB - AKA JimBob. Flying up with Bud in formation. Keep em s eparate boys! John & Paddy Wigney - Flying in the good ship N262WF Jim Woolnough - Via the big iron and driving from Louisville. Creighton Smith A-036 - Via the big iron with Jim... Welcome aboard mates! Great to have the west coast boys. Bob Lindsay - Flying in N77EU Turbo Toy. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Erich Trombley - Flying in N28ET Classic mono 914. Flight of 3 maybe 4 Kim Prout - Flying in N111EU The classic mono featured in July Kit Planes M agazine Flight of 3 maybe 4 And Here's to Kevin Klinefelter N211KA getting in on the fun!! Let us know Kevin when you can... Maybe the 4th of the 3 ;0) Fred Kline.... All the way from=C2- Orcas Island, WA William McCellan Building A164 XS conventional gear Jab. Flying the big iro n in with Fred.=C2- Michael Grass Building A286 Tri-gear. Flying in from Detroit in his C -150 Welcome Michael! =C2-Annual Rough River Fly In. September 17th & 18th 201 0 and beyond!=C2- == ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:57 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: RR Up-date #14 & Meeting times On Sep 7, 2010, at 2:51 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > My suggestion would be to meet at the flight line and cover as much > as necessary. Then we can also use the lounge right there as well. > My guess is the wives wouldn't want to attend anyway so the small > lounge may work. If you like chime in here and give me your vote. Jeff/All, Given that the large conference room is unavailable, the room at the airstrip/flightline sounds fine to me...and before we dive into technical issues, I continue to favor a "kick-off" session for introductions and to celebrate our gathering...afterall, some attendees will have come a long distance...flying in planes they built themselves...(that's gotta be worth celebrating!). So before getting buried in a batch of technical discussions, I'd like to get some insight about who I'm rubbing shoulders with...my preference is that the first session be dedicated to hearing up to 5 or 6 minutes from each attendee who'd like to say something about themselves, their Europa journey, and what they hope to get out of RR/ 2010. I would also favor structuring the technical sessions in such a manner that it's possible to slip out to the flightline at will so I can drool over the gaggle...(I'll take some paper towels...) Fred ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:12 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel pumps 914 Hi! Jerry. The one way/non return valves (vis:- Europa designed system) are conspicuous by their absence. What say you about this?..........I guess anything can look really tidy if some of the kit is missed out? Regards Bob Harrison (G-PTAG) _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 07 September 2010 22:52 Subject: Europa-List: Fuel pumps 914 Here's a photo of the series recommended Rotax fuel pump setup using manifolds. They had this at the Rotax maintenance class I attended in Canada. Nice and clean. These manifolds and this setup were designed for use in certified 914s. I was going to buy the manifolds until I found out they had "precious certified" costs as well. I went to McMasters and Aircraft Spruce and found "off the shelf" manifolds that worked for much less. Thanks to Dan Bish A144 for digging these out. He also has a photo in the Europa build gallery on this setup. 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