---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/14/10: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Re: Re: Tail wheel control cables attachment (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 2. 02:49 AM - Re: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. (josok-e) 3. 05:52 AM - Tail wheel control cables attachment (Guerner Remi) 4. 06:04 AM - Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. (Guerner Remi) 5. 06:06 AM - Tail wheel control cables attachment (Guerner Remi) 6. 06:42 AM - FW: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. (Guerner Remi) 7. 07:55 AM - Fw: Tech Help re 914 (david miller) 8. 08:31 AM - Re: Fw: Tech Help re 914 (rparigoris) 9. 09:28 AM - Re: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. (rampil) 10. 09:40 AM - Any Europa's based/near Gloucestershire Airport, Staverton, Cheltenham? (Peter Zutrauen) 11. 11:57 AM - Re: Fw: Tech Help re 914 (Karl Heindl) 12. 12:01 PM - Trouble shooting engine roughness (Jerry Rehn) 13. 12:36 PM - Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 (John Wighton) 14. 12:42 PM - Re: ELT mount for free, anyone? (John Wighton) 15. 01:12 PM - Re: Fw: Tech Help re 914 (david miller) 16. 03:15 PM - Re: Fw: Tech Help re 914 (Kevin Klinefelter) 17. 03:54 PM - Re: Fw: Tech Help re 914 (Robert C Harrison) 18. 09:09 PM - Re: FW: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. (Fred Klein) 19. 11:05 PM - Mnowheel to tri-gear conversion (mau11) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:33 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tail wheel control cables attachment Ron & Remi=0Adon't forget that its better to bend the tailwheel stop than b end the leg. =0AThat's why I used soft aluminum=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: rparigoris =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, 14 September, 2010 6: 17:36=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Tail wheel control cables attachment=0A .us>=0A=0AHi Remi=0A=0AWhen I mentioned I "ripped off" Grahams designed of his tailwheel stop, I meant =0Athat I copied his design.=0A=0AI did in fact fabricate it from 7075 Aluminium that is quite robust.=0A=0Ahttp://www.mcm aster.com/#about-aluminum/=8u6cpz=0A=0Ahttp://www.europaowners.org/forums /gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28015=0A=0Ahttp://www.europaowners.org/forums/gal lery2.php?g2_itemId=28009=0A=0AWhat material did you make your stop from? =0A=0ARon Parigoris=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:// forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312370#312370=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =============== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. From: "josok-e" Two years ago, one day before my second birthday, we happened to be at the same table with the brass of the Rotax factory in Wels. And of course the question about injection popped up. The anwser was that yes, they were working on that, and their main difficulty was to make the efi programmers understand that in case of any error the engine was not to shut down, but continue running, They also suggested that there was an injection engine up and running. Rotax probably still fails to find a programmer that will and can do that special job. As for the other items to be improved: Remember there is a certified engine. Getting a new certification because parts change seems to be very costly... Changing parts on non-certified engines and divert from the approved stuff could be very costly because of the US liability threats. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312380#312380 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:04 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel control cables attachment Hi Graham, That is exactly what I think: a design which is being copied is a good design! Regards Remi <<<<>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:02 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. Hi, Justin, This confirms what Jerry said. Good to know! Remi <<<>>>> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:05 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Tail wheel control cables attachment Hi Ron, Sorry for misunderstanding! Material is some sort of aluminum alloy. I can't tell you more as I used a piece of material I found in a trash on the airport. It works fine! Remi <<<<<<>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:44 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: FW: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. Frans, Here are my answers to some of your questions below: 1) Why is the carb attached to a flange that often ruptures and we have to inspect regularly? : the problem with the rubber flanges is known to happen on basic microlight installations where each carb have its own air filter with no further mechanical support. The carbs then oscillate vertically and flex the rubber flange, leading to fatigue rupture. When you are using a properly supported airbox this does not happen. However with the 914 it is a different story as the internal pressure will tend to disconnect the carbs and the airbox. 2) Why did Rotax not install a carb heater on the 912? Lycoming and Continental are not supplying a carb heat system ether. Carb heat installation is usually designed and made by the aircraft manufacturer. However Rotax offers an optional airbox fitted with the provision for hot air for the 912 series. It work fine on my Europa. 3) Why does Rotax still sell a voltage regulator which is not up to its task? From my experience the Ducati voltage regulator works fine as long it is cooled properly. There are two ways to do it: on a metal aircraft, bolt the regulator to the structure which will act as an heat sink. On composites, provide fresh air with a SCAT ducting to the cooling fins of the regulator casing. Remi F-PGKL Monowheel, 912ULS, 800 hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:14 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 Hi All, I am forwarding this on behalf of Chris Staines, his Europa is now parked midway between Ottawa and London, Ont, following some problems on the return flight. Ferg has kindly agreed to lend Chris his trailer to retrieve the aircraft, but as it will be at least a 4 hour drive each way, it would be nice if we could fly there and effect a repair. Any suggestions for trouble shooting the problem would be welcomed. Dave C-FBZI >> >> >> I experienced a partial engine failure, Rotax 914UL.This engine >> has about seven hundred >> hours on it and has been in use in my Europa for ten years. >> >> The symptoms were as follows. >> >> The roughness slowly became worse and could only be reduced by >> flying at a lower altitude and reducing power.Removing 'boost' and >> running at lower pressure caused >> the roughness to disappear but resulted in a loss of airspeed and >> altitude.Applying throttle cause the engine to stumble and almost >> stop. >> >> On the ground the plugs were noted to have a light layer of black >> carbon on them,in contrast to their usual tan colour.Replacing the >> plugs did not help.The engine >> is usually operated on a premium car gas known to be alcohol >> free,though for this flight it was partially filled with avgas >> (about 60%). >> >> >> If you could give me some ideas on what to check it would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Sincerely,Chris Staines > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 From: "rparigoris" Hi Dave First check for a clogged air filter, but I kinda think the black on plugs may not be telling you the real problem. Off the cuff it sounds like he is running out of gas. Does he have a differential fuel pressure gauge? Does turning on second fuel pump help? I suspect it may be as simple as having a clogged fuel filter/s or gasculator/s. Also check the fuel tank vent for clogging. Could be the outlet/s of fuel tank are clogged? does turning to reserve help? Try a check for differential fuel pressure as per Rotax manual, also look up Europa FWF and check their cheat the fuel pressure regulator to thinking you are at high altitude and measuring fuel flow. When was last time carbs were looked at? To be safe make sure you change float bowl gaskets which you can have leak pressure and cause this sort of thing, but if you can't have a look at jets and clean them. Look very careful at plumbing little lines going to carb and fuel pressure regulator for cracks, splits and kinks. If cowl is off have a look for broken / leaking exhaust and no soot on exterior of carbs. I will have my cell phone on today 631-839-3636 after about noon. One more thing, if you never cleaned the sock filters in the fuel pump intake consider them perhaps dirty. Report back on findings and I will add that to equation. Good luck. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312415#312415 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. From: "rampil" Nice discussion guys! Be careful though about manufacturing questions! If one had the temerity to ask why Lycoming and Continental still use cork gaskets that melt in ethanol when they could see it coming for 10 years, one might get into a "real" flame war! ;-) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312421#312421 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:00 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Europa-List: Any Europa's based/near Gloucestershire Airport, Staverton, Cheltenham? I ask because I'm finding myself on a likely biz trip in that area on the first two weeks of November, - and would love to gawk at some finished Europa's for some inspiration. :-) Cheers & thx, Pete A239 Ottawa, Canada ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:13 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 It sounds like a simple case of fuel starvation. Maybe a blockage in the fu el line=2C clogged filters=2C debris in carburetor. The first thing I would check is the fuel flow=2C with engine off=2C disconnect fuel hose at engin e side=2C and pump into a bucket for a minute=2C then measure.Good luck=2C Karl > From: loboloda@execulink.com > Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 > Date: Tue=2C 14 Sep 2010 11:04:16 -0400 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Hi All=2C > > I am forwarding this on behalf of Chris Staines=2C his Europa is now > parked midway between Ottawa and London=2C Ont=2C following some problems > on the return flight. > Ferg has kindly agreed to lend Chris his trailer to retrieve the > aircraft=2C but as it will be at least a 4 hour drive each way=2C it > would be nice if we could fly there and effect a repair. > > Any suggestions for trouble shooting the problem would be welcomed. > > Dave C-FBZI > > >> > >> > >> I experienced a partial engine failure=2C Rotax 914UL.This engine > >> has about seven hundred > >> hours on it and has been in use in my Europa for ten years. > >> > >> The symptoms were as follows. > >> > >> The roughness slowly became worse and could only be reduced by > >> flying at a lower altitude and reducing power.Removing 'boost' and > >> running at lower pressure caused > >> the roughness to disappear but resulted in a loss of airspeed and > >> altitude.Applying throttle cause the engine to stumble and almost > >> stop. > >> > >> On the ground the plugs were noted to have a light layer of black > >> carbon on them=2Cin contrast to their usual tan colour.Replacing the > >> plugs did not help.The engine > >> is usually operated on a premium car gas known to be alcohol > >> free=2Cthough for this flight it was partially filled with avgas > >> (about 60%). > >> > >> > >> If you could give me some ideas on what to check it would be > >> greatly appreciated. > >> > >> Sincerely=2CChris Staines > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:16 PM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: Trouble shooting engine roughness Here is something I have found useful in trouble shooting a rough running engine. Jerry Mono 914 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Texel Fly-in Sept 17-19 2010 From: "John Wighton" Due to technical issues (including no panel) l will not be going to Texel this year. I hope all that go have a great and safe trip. Regards John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312445#312445 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:23 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: ELT mount for free, anyone? From: "John Wighton" Frans, Darn Dutch people - l spend 5 weeks out of the air to fit an ELT (specifically for Holland) and they go and change the rules! Refit was more than just an ELT of course! I fitted a Kannad 406 with panel switch. What is the PLB allowed? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312446#312446 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:39 PM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 Hi Karl, Jerry & Ron, Thanks for the responses. Chris is parked at Peterborough. I know he has pumped out the fuel to get rid of the Avgas, my guess is that it is a carb problem. The weather does not look good for this weekend, so we will probably take the trailer and Chris can check things out when we get back. I'll advise what caused the problem once it has been sorted. Dave On 14-Sep-10, at 2:53 PM, Karl Heindl wrote: > It sounds like a simple case of fuel starvation. Maybe a blockage > in the fuel line, clogged filters, debris in carburetor. The first > thing I would check is the fuel flow, with engine off, disconnect > fuel hose at engine side, and pump into a bucket for a minute, then > measure. > Good luck, > > Karl > > > =================== > >====== > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:41 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 Mine had similar symptoms. I checked and tightened all hose clamps from the turbo to the carbs. That did it for me. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:04 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 > > Hi All, > > I am forwarding this on behalf of Chris Staines, his Europa is now parked > midway between Ottawa and London, Ont, following some problems on the > return flight. > Ferg has kindly agreed to lend Chris his trailer to retrieve the > aircraft, but as it will be at least a 4 hour drive each way, it would be > nice if we could fly there and effect a repair. > > Any suggestions for trouble shooting the problem would be welcomed. > > Dave C-FBZI > >>> >>> >>> I experienced a partial engine failure, Rotax 914UL.This engine has >>> about seven hundred >>> hours on it and has been in use in my Europa for ten years. >>> >>> The symptoms were as follows. >>> >>> The roughness slowly became worse and could only be reduced by flying >>> at a lower altitude and reducing power.Removing 'boost' and running at >>> lower pressure caused >>> the roughness to disappear but resulted in a loss of airspeed and >>> altitude.Applying throttle cause the engine to stumble and almost stop. >>> >>> On the ground the plugs were noted to have a light layer of black >>> carbon on them,in contrast to their usual tan colour.Replacing the >>> plugs did not help.The engine >>> is usually operated on a premium car gas known to be alcohol >>> free,though for this flight it was partially filled with avgas (about >>> 60%). >>> >>> >>> If you could give me some ideas on what to check it would be greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Sincerely,Chris Staines >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:15 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 Chris.... Since I've been talking about it on another topic ....where are the carb bowl pressure balance pipes connected ? Not blocked are they? Also .....I guess the carb fuel cut off floats are OK ? Black plugs are telling you over fuel supply somehow or proportionally shortage of air for clean combustion. Don't suppose any of the air intake hoses are weak and floppy allowing strangulation? It the Turbo functioning OK? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Rotax 914 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david miller Sent: 14 September 2010 16:04 Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: Tech Help re 914 Hi All, I am forwarding this on behalf of Chris Staines, his Europa is now parked midway between Ottawa and London, Ont, following some problems on the return flight. Ferg has kindly agreed to lend Chris his trailer to retrieve the aircraft, but as it will be at least a 4 hour drive each way, it would be nice if we could fly there and effect a repair. Any suggestions for trouble shooting the problem would be welcomed. Dave C-FBZI ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:12 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Bing Carb Checks ----- FAA investigated fatal accident.. On Sep 13, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Frans Veldman wrote: > > > > On 09/13/2010 11:03 PM, Fred Klein wrote: >> >> ...I'll just bite my tongue and resist further comment...afterall, >> I'm >> still building... > > Don't get me wrong. I'm happy with my Rotax 914. It is a nice and > reliable engine. Frans, ...not at all surprised that you feel that way...and I believe your feelings expressed above mirror those of (literally) hundreds of other Europa owners. And I admire your open mind and innovative thinking behind the mods you've done, on your cooling system for example. My reluctance to make further comments was solely based on my building around an alternative fuel-injected engine, with the outcome of that decision being still uncertain...I'm grateful for my high tolerance of ambiguity. Fred ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:06 PM PST US From: "mau11" Subject: Europa-List: Mnowheel to tri-gear conversion X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 22 [cn] Hi all, Does anyone have pictures of this conversion? Mainly, main gear adaptation and fixation. 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