---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/17/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:17 AM - Throttle cables (JonSmith) 2. 12:26 AM - Carb drip trays? (JonSmith) 3. 01:52 AM - Re: Throttle cables (Europa) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: Throttle cables (Gustavo Sessarego) 5. 05:56 AM - Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). (Karl Heindl) 6. 06:28 AM - Re: Carb drip trays? (John Price) 7. 06:47 AM - Re: Re: Carb drip trays? (Karl Heindl) 8. 07:47 AM - Re: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). (Peter Zutrauen) 9. 08:01 AM - garbled text (Fergus Kyle) 10. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Carb drip trays? (Gary Leinberger) 11. 09:56 AM - Re: Throttle cables (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 12. 10:37 AM - Re: Carb drip trays? (Terry Seaver (terrys)) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Throttle cables From: "JonSmith" Hi all, just a quick question. Should the stranded wire throttle cables be lubricated in any way or left dry? I'm in the process of fitting a Rotax (changing to a Rotax from an alternative engine type) and am about to bolt the throttle box and cables into the plane. Having fitted the cables into the throttle box they seem slightly stiff to move, but admittedly they are not yet connected to the carb throttle spring which should help them to open better. I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times before but it's new to me so many thanks in advance...! Jon -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312720#312720 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Carb drip trays? From: "JonSmith" Hi all, another quick question! Is it considered to be either a/ mandatory, b/ highly recommended, c/ quite nice to do, or d/ totally unnecessary, to fit drip trays/ heat shields to the Rotax carbs? I'm in the process of fitting a secondhand Rotax 912 ULS to my machine (as a replacement for an alternative engine type that was previously installed). My "new" engine in it's previous life did not have these fitted and just had the standard cone shaped air filters. It does have the Skydrive coolant-heated carb heaters fitted to the carbs. If the concensus of opinion is that I should have these drip trays fitted then are the ones supplied by Rotax suitable/ good to use, or is there a better alternative available? Thanks, Jon -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312721#312721 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Throttle cables From: Europa Jon The cables are notoriously sticky and can give rise to difficulty with carb balancing. Some have replaced with piano wire. On advice from Conrad Beal (ConAir) we lubricated with ACF 50 and the cables run reasonably smoothly. Don't rely on the carb springs to overcome much stickiness, they're not very powerful. Other useful advice from Conrad was make the throttle cable runs as smooth an arc as possible, mirrored L & R and well secured so that the outer does not move when actuating the throttle. Regards Paul G-GIDY (awaiting permit to test!!) On 17/9/10 08:14, "JonSmith" wrote: > > Hi all, just a quick question. Should the stranded wire throttle cables be > lubricated in any way or left dry? I'm in the process of fitting a Rotax > (changing to a Rotax from an alternative engine type) and am about to bolt the > throttle box and cables into the plane. Having fitted the cables into the > throttle box they seem slightly stiff to move, but admittedly they are not yet > connected to the carb throttle spring which should help them to open better. > I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times before but it's new to me so > many thanks in advance...! > Jon > > -------- > G-TERN > Classic Mono > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312720#312720 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:45 AM PST US From: Gustavo Sessarego Subject: RE: Europa-List: Throttle cables Hi Everybody=2C I have almost ready to fly test a Europa monowheel with Jabiru 3300 and Aer ocarb. the trottle systems is liske CESSNA but it did nto work well=2C to s hort from close to full open and not acuracy. any suggestion for other kind of system ? (may be throttle system by aerocarb) regards from Argentina=2C GUSTAVO > Date: Fri=2C 17 Sep 2010 09:45:36 +0100 > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Throttle cables > From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Jon > > The cables are notoriously sticky and can give rise to difficulty with ca rb > balancing. Some have replaced with piano wire. On advice from Conrad Beal > (ConAir) we lubricated with ACF 50 and the cables run reasonably smoothly .. > Don't rely on the carb springs to overcome much stickiness=2C they're not very > powerful. > > Other useful advice from Conrad was make the throttle cable runs as smoot h > an arc as possible=2C mirrored L & R and well secured so that the outer d oes > not move when actuating the throttle. > > > Regards > > Paul > G-GIDY (awaiting permit to test!!) > > > On 17/9/10 08:14=2C "JonSmith" wrote: > o.uk> > > > > Hi all=2C just a quick question. Should the stranded wire throttle cab les be > > lubricated in any way or left dry? I'm in the process of fitting a Rot ax > > (changing to a Rotax from an alternative engine type) and am about to b olt the > > throttle box and cables into the plane. Having fitted the cables into the > > throttle box they seem slightly stiff to move=2C but admittedly they ar e not yet > > connected to the carb throttle spring which should help them to open be tter. > > I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times before but it's new to me so > > many thanks in advance...! > > Jon > > > > -------- > > G-TERN > > Classic Mono > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312720#312720 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:00 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). I am flying in this afternoon and will be in the camping area. Karl From: rambug@gmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ontario=2C CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). Hello guys=2C I'm planning on driving over from Montreal to the fly-in on Saturday. Will be in around 9h00 for breakfast. Are there going to be any Europa's flying in ? I'm quite eager to meet som e of you guys=2C as A059 (soon to become C-GLOB) needs to go through MD-RA import inspection soon. Regards=2C Luc On Tue=2C Aug 31=2C 2010 at 19:16=2C david miller wrote: Hi Pete=2C Chris had suggested that we come down for this. Would be for the day on Friday or Saturday=2C and very much depends on the weather.Will probably just bring one of the aircraft. Davedo not archive On 31-Aug-10=2C at 7:59 AM=2C Peter Zutrauen wrote: Just thought I'd let any folks in the North American North-East (who are no t attending the Rough-River fly-in) of: WINGS OVER GATINEAU=2CCANADA=91S FIRST EAA FLY-IN! Mark your calendars for the first Canadian National EAA Fly-in! September 17 through 19. Canadians will have the opportunity to take part in the ina ugural EAA fly-in in the Nation's Capital. September 18 is Vintage Wings o f Canada=91s Victoria Cross Airshow. This yearly event draws hundreds of a ircraft and spectators. This year will feature=2C among other aircraft=2C their Goodyear FG-1D Corsair in honour of the Victoria Cross posthumous rec ipient=2C Lt.Robert Hampton Gray. This date also coincides with the Battle of Britain celebration held at Rockcliffe on September 19. Flying aircraf t will include the =94Merlins=91=3B Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum=91s L ancaster=2C Spitfires=2C Hurricanes=2C and perhaps Russell=91s Bf 109 Messe rschmitt. So tentative plans include Vintage Wings Victoria Cross Airshow together wi th a tour of the Vintage Wings collection of pristine warbirds=2C and colle ctor=91s aircraft at Gatineau=3B a bussing excursion to Rockcliffe for the Battle of Britain celebration and re-enactment=3B a tour of the Canada Avia tion and Space Museum=3B all together with the camaraderie and making of f riends from across the nation that is expected from an EAA Fly-in. Aircraft parking and camping with showers=2C etc.=2C Plus camping and park ing for the wheeled variety of RV=91s will make the visit comfortable and c onvenient. Local EAA Chapter 245 and a newly formed EAA Warbird Squadron w ill host the fly-in. NavCan will declare the airspace as Class F with arri ving and departing aircraft under air traffic control. Transponders are no t required=2C but radio communications will be. Plans include a giant B-B- Q on Friday night hosted by Vintage Wings=2C breakfast on Saturday morning hosted by EAA Chapter 245=2C and a sit-down dinner with French Canadian cui sine and live entertainment in the theme of the events on Saturday evening. Breakfast on Sunday morning will also be available. So check off these attractions: the sight and sounds of these magnificent aircraft=3B Vintage Wings=91salute to the Victoria Cross winners with thei r annual airshow=3B EAA playing a supportive role to the event with our fi rst Canadian Fly-in=3B the battle of Britain re-enactment=3B the Canada A viation and Space Museum=3B the camaraderie of aviation enthusiasts=3B air planes=3B our unique cultural diversity=3B fantastic fall colours=3B Fren chcuisine. What=91snot to like? Links: Arrival Procedures and schedule:http://www.vintagewings.ca/envol/- Hide quo ted text - Event Description (starts @ minute number 36) in the EAA video: http://www. eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=595033254001 Cheers=2C Pete :-) A239 EAA245 chapter member href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:11 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Carb drip trays? From: "John Price" I think you may find that if you have the carb heating kit the drip trays may not fit. John. G-SHSH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312735#312735 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:06 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Carb drip trays? A heat shield below the carb bowls is not essential but highly desirable. O therwise the fuel will boil when taxiing on a hot day.You can easily make t hem yourself out of something like firewall material with a small aluminum bracket=2C which is attached to the top bolt of the exhaust pipe. Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Carb drip trays? > From: nicolaprice@tiscali.co.uk > Date: Fri=2C 17 Sep 2010 06:25:33 -0700 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > k> > > I think you may find that if you have the carb heating kit the drip trays may not fit. > > John. > G-SHSH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312735#312735 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:24 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). Cya there! (I'll be marshalling :-) Blue skies! On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Karl Heindl wrote: > I am flying in this afternoon and will be in the camping area. > > Karl > > > ------------------------------ > From: rambug@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:30:01 -0400 > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ontario, CA Fly-in (for those not doing RR). > To: europa-list@matronics.com; loboloda@execulink.com > > Hello guys, > > I'm planning on driving over from Montreal to the fly-in on Saturday. Wi ll > be in around 9h00 for breakfast. > > Are there going to be any Europa's flying in ? I'm quite eager to meet > some of you guys, as A059 (soon to become C-GLOB) needs to go through MD- RA > import inspection soon. > > Regards, > > Luc > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 19:16, david miller wrote : > > Hi Pete, > > Chris had suggested that we come down for this. > Would be for the day on Friday or Saturday, and very much depends on the > weather. > Will probably just bring one of the aircraft. > > Dave > do not archive > On 31-Aug-10, at 7:59 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > > Just thought I'd let any folks in the North American North-East (who are > not attending the Rough-River fly-in) of: > > WINGS OVER GATINEAU, > CANADA=91S FIRST EAA FLY-IN! > > Mark your calendars for the first Canadian National EAA Fly-in! Septembe r > 17 through 19. Canadians will have the opportunity to take part in the > inaugural EAA fly-in in the Nation's Capital. September 18 is Vintage Wi ngs > of Canada=91s Victoria Cross Airshow. This yearly event draws hundreds o f > aircraft and spectators. This year will feature, among other aircraft, > their Goodyear FG-1D Corsair in honour of the Victoria Cross posthumous > recipient, Lt.Robert Hampton Gray. This date also coincides with the Bat tle > of Britain celebration held at Rockcliffe on September 19. Flying aircra ft > will include the =94Merlins=91; Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum=91s Lan caster, > Spitfires, Hurricanes, and perhaps Russell=91s Bf 109 Messerschmitt. > > So tentative plans include Vintage Wings Victoria Cross Airshow together > with a tour of the Vintage Wings collection of pristine warbirds, and > collector=91s aircraft at Gatineau; a bussing excursion to Rockcliffe for the > Battle of Britain celebration and re-enactment; a tour of the Canada > Aviation and Space Museum; all together with the camaraderie and making of > friends from across the nation that is expected from an EAA Fly-in. > > Aircraft parking and camping with showers, etc., Plus camping and parkin g > for the wheeled variety of RV=91s will make the visit comfortable and > convenient. Local EAA Chapter 245 and a newly formed EAA Warbird Squadro n > will host the fly-in. NavCan will declare the airspace as Class F with > arriving and departing aircraft under air traffic control. Transponders are > not required, but radio communications will be. Plans include a giant B- B-Q > on Friday night hosted by Vintage Wings, breakfast on Saturday morning > hosted by EAA Chapter 245, and a sit-down dinner with French Canadian > cuisine and live entertainment in the theme of the events on Saturday > evening. Breakfast on Sunday morning will also be available. > > So check off these attractions: the sight and sounds of these magnificen t > aircraft; Vintage Wings=91salute to the Victoria Cross winners with thei r > annual airshow; EAA playing a supportive role to the event with our firs t > Canadian Fly-in; the battle of Britain re-enactment; the Canada Aviatio n > and Space Museum; the camaraderie of aviation enthusiasts; airplanes; ou r > unique cultural diversity; fantastic fall colours; Frenchcuisine. > What=91snot to like? > > Links: > > Arrival Procedures and schedule: > http://www.vintagewings.ca/envol/ > - Hide quoted text - > > Event Description (starts @ minute number 36) in the EAA video: > http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=595033254001 > > > Cheers, > Pete :-) > A239 > EAA245 chapter member > > * > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > * > > > * > > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://f orums.matronics.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:48 AM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: garbled text Cheers, My guru says it looks like the text is being sent as HTML. He suggests trying to send in simple text and see if that's better. What do I know? Ferg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:35 AM PST US From: Gary Leinberger Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Carb drip trays? I bought the Rotax carb drip bowls but unfortunately also bought the carb h eater kit (runs radiator water around the engine side of the carb through a maniford that moves the carbs about =BE" back - and the Rotax carb drip b owls don't fit - I attempted to cut it a bit to make it fit but no luck. I then made up trays myself out of aluminum. I have pictures if anyone wants them. I live in the Northeast and icing is an issue - so I felt the heater kit wa s a necessity. Gary Leinberger A237 From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:42 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Carb drip trays? A heat shield below the carb bowls is not essential but highly desirable. O therwise the fuel will boil when taxiing on a hot day. You can easily make them yourself out of something like firewall material w ith a small aluminum bracket, which is attached to the top bolt of the exha ust pipe. Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Carb drip trays? > From: nicolaprice@tiscali.co.uk > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:25:33 -0700 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > k> > > I think you may find that if you have the carb heating kit the drip trays may not fit. > > John. > G-SHSH > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312735#312735 > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:52 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Throttle cables Gustavo- I also have a 3300 and build to throttle enclosure as specified in the Rota x documentation, then made a lever out of 1/8 aluminum, then used a Bowden cable.=C2- Your other alternative is that Vans has a setup that may be id ea.=C2- I am not at home now and won't be for a month or so, but can send photos if you need them. Jim Puglise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustavo Sessarego" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:43:30 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Throttle cables Hi Everybody, I have almost ready to fly test a Europa monowheel with Jabiru 3300 and Aer ocarb. the trottle systems is liske CESSNA but it did nto work well, to sho rt from close to full open and not acuracy. any suggestion for other kind o f system ? (may be throttle system by aerocarb) regards from Argentina, GUSTAVO > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:45:36 +0100 > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Throttle cables > From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Jon > > The cables are notoriously sticky and can give rise to difficulty with ca rb > balancing. Some have replaced with piano wire. On advice from Conrad Beal > (ConAir) we lubricated with ACF 50 and the cables run reasonably smoothly . > Don't rely on the carb springs to overcome much stickiness, they're not v ery > powerful. > > Other useful advice from Conrad was make the throttle cable runs as smoot h > an arc as possible, mirrored L & R and well secured so that the outer doe s > not move when actuating the throttle. > > > Regards > > Paul > G-GIDY (awaiting permit to test!!) > > > On 17/9/10 08:14, "JonSmith" wrote: > o.uk> > > > > Hi all, just a quick question. Should the stranded wire throttle cables be > > lubricated in any way or left dry? I'm in the process of fitting a Rota x > > (changing to a Rotax from an alternative engine type) and am about to b olt the > > throttle box and cables into the plane. Having fitted the cables into t he > > throttle box they seem slightly stiff to move, but admittedly they are not yet > > connected to the carb throttle spring which should help them to open be tter. > > I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times before but it's new to me so > > many thanks in advance...! > > Jon > > > > -------- > > G-TERN > > Classic Mono > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312720#312720 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============= == ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carb drip trays? From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Jon, We have a 912S in a mono-wheel XS, and found on occassion we were getting vapor lock, due to heating of the carbs by the rear exhaust pipes, just as they come out of the heads. We cured this by wrapping the carb bowls and fuel lines in that area with a heat shield material, which is an eighth inch thick insulating fabric that has an aluminum covering. We used aluminum tape to keep it in place. regards, Terry Seaver A135/N135TD -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of JonSmith Sent: Fri 9/17/2010 12:24 AM Subject: Europa-List: Carb drip trays? Hi all, another quick question! Is it considered to be either a/ mandatory, b/ highly recommended, c/ quite nice to do, or d/ totally unnecessary, to fit drip trays/ heat shields to the Rotax carbs? I'm in the process of fitting a secondhand Rotax 912 ULS to my machine (as a replacement for an alternative engine type that was previously installed). My "new" engine in it's previous life did not have these fitted and just had the standard cone shaped air filters. It does have the Skydrive coolant-heated carb heaters fitted to the carbs. If the concensus of opinion is that I should have these drip trays fitted then are the ones supplied by Rotax suitable/ good to use, or is there a better alternative available? 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