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1. 01:43 AM - Re: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem (David Joyce)
2. 05:53 AM - Link to photo's of 2nd Annual Dutch light aircraft flyin (houlihan tim)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Rough River (h&jeuropa)
4. 07:15 AM - Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts (John Wigney)
5. 07:18 AM - Re: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem (jglazener)
6. 08:04 AM - DOTH Fenland Wed. 22nd. (Paddy Clarke)
7. 08:07 AM - Re: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts (Jeff B)
8. 09:23 AM - Swiss Conventional Taildragger Mod (flyingphil2)
9. 11:03 AM - Re: DOTH Fenland Wed. 22nd. (Trevor Pond)
10. 11:50 AM - Low voltage (david miller)
11. 12:50 PM - Re: Low voltage (Paul McAllister)
12. 12:51 PM - RR Wrap up! Wow! (JEFF ROBERTS)
13. 12:57 PM - RR Wrap up! #2 (JEFF ROBERTS)
14. 01:06 PM - RR Wrap up! #3 (JEFF ROBERTS)
15. 01:49 PM - Re: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
16. 01:56 PM - RR Wrap up! #4 (JEFF ROBERTS)
17. 03:10 PM - Re: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts (Jeff B)
18. 03:12 PM - Re: Low voltage (Jeff B)
19. 03:14 PM - Re: RR Wrap up! Wow! (Jeff B)
20. 03:37 PM - Re: Low voltage (Rehn)
21. 06:12 PM - Rough River (Fred Klein)
22. 06:30 PM - Next steps - (Cleve Lee)
23. 08:48 PM - Re: Next steps - Honda Fit (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Re: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem |
Jeroen, It's a long time ago now, but I seem to remember that I had a fair
sized gap in the outer surfaces, which was eventually filled. The overlap as
I remember it was fairly considerable. No doubt your inspector would know
exactly how much overlap he requires for structural integrity, and as long
as you have that I don't think there is any problem about filling the odd
gap.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "jglazener" <j.glazener@planet.nl>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem
>
> I am trying to get my top fuselage to fit to the bottom. This is a
> necessity for most before bonding it on, but since I need to incorporate a
> Hi-top mod, it is even more important to get it right before I start
> cutting it into pieces.
>
> I find that even with the front flanges aligned to those in the firewall,
> and the trimline on the back of the tail lined up with the end of the
> fuselage, I still have a gap at the rear flanges of 9-10 mm (see
> attached). If I then raise the front fuselage as per mod 64B it only gets
> worse, with some 11mm at the bottom.
>
> Is this normal? If not, what can I do about it?
>
> Suggestions welcome, Jeroen
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=312941#312941
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| Subject: | Link to photo's of 2nd Annual Dutch light aircraft flyin |
Photos taken at Texel of the Dutch flyin can be seen on the link below
http://picasaweb.google.nl/fam.hroelofs/FotoSFlyIn2010#
For the flyin web site goto
www.flyin.nl
regards
Tim Houlihan
G-BZTH
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Hi All,
Wonderful weekend! Great to see everyone and admire the planes. During the tech
session, when most everyone was there, we wrote down the names, and came up
with these numbers: 33 people and 14 Europas (5 tri gear & 9 monos)!! Including
the first one flying in the US, and the most recent 1st flight (April '10).
Can't wait 'til next year!
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
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| Subject: | Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts |
Hi Jeff,
Just a note to thank you for pulling together an excellent event. The
weather in Kentucky and on the trip was outstanding.
Great to see the many friends from Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Wisconsin,
Kentucky, North Carolina, Michigan, California, Louisiana, Washington,
Vermont, Nevada - I hope I have them all. Anyway, I hope this is the
start of a new trend of Europa fly-ins in the US where aircraft
actually fly in.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem |
David,
Thanks for the reply. I am already feeling a bit better. As for the inspector,
we don't really have them in Holland. Everything is based on the principle of
self inspection. I do have someone assigned to me, but he is building a wooden
plane, and just signed off on my workshop. Sounds easy, but to be honest I would
much prefer the UK system, where you have someone you can actually fall back
on. Luckily I have the forum....
Regards, Jeroen
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| Subject: | DOTH Fenland Wed. 22nd. |
Hi Folks,
I'm finally back in the loop, so how about a DOTH on Wednesday?
There is a voucher in Pilot for Fenland, so I suggest there at 1200ish.
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts |
Mary and I had a great time, also. Weather was great, except the last
100 miles of our journey back south. Numerous thunderstorms were
popping up, all around. XM weather, onboard allowed us to pick our way
around them and arrive home, safe and sound, only a little late.
Great to see all who showed. Looking forward to it again, next year...
Steve Pitt: I have some raw video footage I'm going to send to you, of
the "tech" stuff. I'll leave it to you to edit it the way you want...
Now we need a volunteer, not myself, to write an article for the Europa
Club mag... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/20/2010 9:06 AM, John Wigney wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Just a note to thank you for pulling together an excellent event. The
> weather in Kentucky and on the trip was outstanding.
>
> Great to see the many friends from Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Wisconsin,
> Kentucky, North Carolina, Michigan, California, Louisiana, Washington,
> Vermont, Nevada - I hope I have them all. Anyway, I hope this is the
> start of a new trend of Europa fly-ins in the US where aircraft actually
> fly in.
>
> Cheers, John
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Swiss Conventional Taildragger Mod |
Hi,
If anyone is considering doing this mod and haven't yet got the carbon leg then
please could you contact me.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fenland Wed. 22nd. |
See you there Paddy
Trev G- LINN
Sent from my iPhone
On 20 Sep 2010, at 15:27, Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> I'm finally back in the loop, so how about a DOTH on Wednesday?
> There is a voucher in Pilot for Fenland, so I suggest there at 1200ish.
> All the best, Paddy
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
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Coming back to home base yesterday I noticed voltage was indicated at
11.5 rather than the usual 14.
The ammeter was showing a slight discharge with the strobes on.
Readings were not affected by engine RPM.
I'd made a couple of stops along the way and had no trouble re-starting.
I'm hoping that this is nothing more than an indication that my 6
year old Odyssey battery has suffered a partial failure.
As always suggestions on probable cause from those who have been
there would be appreciated.
Dave C-FBZI
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Hi Dave,
I would start with a discharge test on your battery. Stores like Batteries
Plus do this as a free service.
Paul
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| Subject: | RR Wrap up! Wow! |
Wow!
Talk about a perfect day! The 13 Europas in one setting was
outstanding to see. Here are a few photos and I'll post a few more
later so I don't over burden the lists server. To all that made the
flight near and a lot from far. Thanks for making this a great
gathering.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush... She will not miss next year!
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Here are a few more.
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Here are a few more.
We call this Cowl Pulling!
The most important... 3 Europa Wives
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts |
Jeff-
I took a bunch of pictures also.=C2- If you don't get another volunteer,
I'll try to put a few paragraphs together for the Club Newspaper.=C2-
Jim Puglise
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:32:01 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts
Mary and I had a great time, also. =C2-Weather was great, except the last
100 miles of our journey back south. =C2-Numerous thunderstorms were
popping up, all around. =C2-XM weather, onboard allowed us to pick our wa
y
around them and arrive home, safe and sound, only a little late.
Great to see all who showed. =C2-Looking forward to it again, next year..
.
Steve Pitt: =C2-I have some raw video footage I'm going to send to you, o
f
the "tech" stuff. =C2-I'll leave it to you to edit it the way you want...
Now we need a volunteer, not myself, to write an article for the Europa
Club mag... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/20/2010 9:06 AM, John Wigney wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Just a note to thank you for pulling together an excellent event. The
> weather in Kentucky and on the trip was outstanding.
>
> Great to see the many friends from Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Wisconsin,
> Kentucky, North Carolina, Michigan, California, Louisiana, Washington,
> Vermont, Nevada - I hope I have them all. Anyway, I hope this is the
> start of a new trend of Europa fly-ins in the US where aircraft actually
> fly in.
>
> Cheers, John
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2--Matt Dralle, List Admin.
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Here are a few more.
Erich Trombly's classic with XS modified Cowl. Nice!
The newest in the USA fleet. Troy Maynor and his nice Mono classic
Hey who invited him?
John Lawton's nice Jab powered tri.
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| Subject: | Re: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts |
When you get the chance, I'd like to have a copy of the pictures.
Actually, I'd be obliged to get any pictures that were taken this
weekend. I know there were a ton of shutterbugs out there... ;)
Thanks,
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/20/2010 3:44 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Jeff-
>
> I took a bunch of pictures also. If you don't get another volunteer,
> I'll try to put a few paragraphs together for the Club Newspaper.
>
> Jim Puglise
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff B" <topglock@cox.net>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:32:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough River - my compliments to Jeff Roberts
>
>
> Mary and I had a great time, also. Weather was great, except the last
> 100 miles of our journey back south. Numerous thunderstorms were
> popping up, all around. XM weather, onboard allowed us to pick our way
> around them and arrive home, safe and sound, only a little late.
>
> Great to see all who showed. Looking forward to it again, next year...
>
> Steve Pitt: I have some raw video footage I'm going to send to you, of
> the "tech" stuff. I'll leave it to you to edit it the way you want...
>
> Now we need a volunteer, not myself, to write an article for the Europa
> Club mag... ;)
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> On 9/20/2010 9:06 AM, John Wigney wrote:
> <johnwigney@windstream.net>
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> >
> > Just a note to thank you for pulling together an excellent event. The
> > weather in Kentucky and on the trip was outstanding.
> >
> > Great to see the many friends from Texas, Tennessee, Florida, Wisconsin,
> > Kentucky, North Carolina, Michigan, California, Louisiana, Washington,
> > Vermont, Nevada - I hope I have them all. Anyway, I hope this is the
> > start of a new trend of Europa fly-ins in the US where aircraft actually
> > fly in.
> >
> > Cheers, John
> > N262WF, mono XS, 912S
> >
> >
> >
> sp; -Matt Dralle, Li-==================================
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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Dave,
First thing I'd check is that big old 30 amp fuse, then go to the
battery. If that don't get it, check the regulator...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/20/2010 1:50 PM, david miller wrote:
>
> Coming back to home base yesterday I noticed voltage was indicated at
> 11.5 rather than the usual 14.
> The ammeter was showing a slight discharge with the strobes on.
> Readings were not affected by engine RPM.
> I'd made a couple of stops along the way and had no trouble re-starting.
>
> I'm hoping that this is nothing more than an indication that my 6 year
> old Odyssey battery has suffered a partial failure.
> As always suggestions on probable cause from those who have been there
> would be appreciated.
>
> Dave C-FBZI
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: RR Wrap up! Wow! |
That's what I'm talking about... Rows and rows of Europa. Next year I'd
like to see that doubled...
Great job of lighting a fire under everyone's butts and getting them out
to the show...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/20/2010 2:48 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> Wow!
> Talk about a perfect day! The 13 Europas in one setting was outstanding
> to see. Here are a few photos and I'll post a few more later so I don't
> over burden the lists server. To all that made the flight near and a lot
> from far. Thanks for making this a great gathering.
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush... She will not miss next year!
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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Dave
The Odyssey battery is likely what kept you going, I would suspect the regulator/rectifier.
Mine went out and it sounds very similar to what you experienced.
I also have the Odyssey it's like the energizer bunny! The battery would be the
relative cheap fix so maybe?
Jerry
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 20, 2010, at 11:50 AM, david miller <loboloda@execulink.com> wrote:
>
> Coming back to home base yesterday I noticed voltage was indicated at 11.5 rather
than the usual 14.
> The ammeter was showing a slight discharge with the strobes on.
> Readings were not affected by engine RPM.
> I'd made a couple of stops along the way and had no trouble re-starting.
>
> I'm hoping that this is nothing more than an indication that my 6 year old Odyssey
battery has suffered a partial failure.
> As always suggestions on probable cause from those who have been there would
be appreciated.
>
> Dave C-FBZI
>
>
>
>
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Hey yu'all...got back on island just a few moments ago, still savoring
the weekend...I heartily agree w/ all posted comments...special thanks
for the efforts made by the 4 intrepids who flew their birds from the
west coast (Kim Prout, Erich Trombley, Kevin Kleinfelder, and Bob
Lindsay)...quite a trek, but the kind of trek the Europa is designed
for.
Special thanks to Jeff & Karen Roberts and Jeff & Mary Behrens for
letting me bunk on the couch in their cabin...
Special thanks to Jeff B. & John Wigney for some right seat time and
inspiration to continue my build process as the days begin to shorten
and fall sets in here in the Pacific NW.
...wonderful to commune with the brethren...
Fred
A194
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Hi All,
I've recently undergone some brain surger yfor an AVM which gave me a 3%
chance of brain re-bleed if not fixed. I considered the Sport Pilot
route (given that 97% odds are still pretty good) but then opted for the
surgery which has been 100% effective in eliminating all problems. This
reopens the option of my full flight medical (which anything over 1%
problems is iffy to get.)
I had used the 'opportunity' to sell my Jab 3300 which with an early S/N
had potential for being problematic.
Now to get to my point. What has anyone heard about the BMW R1200 which
has potential for being linked to a Rotax C gear box since the trans and
engine are separate, and what ever happened to the testing done with the
R 1100? by Europa? Still plan to build the bird to meet LSA specs
though.
Anyone have any comments on the Honda Fit/Jazz engine conversion?
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| Subject: | Re: Next steps - Honda Fit |
On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:15 PM, Cleve Lee wrote:
> Still plan to build the bird to meet LSA specs though.
>
> Anyone have any comments on the Honda Fit/Jazz engine conversion?
Cleve,
I do not consider myself to be an "engine guy", and by that I mean to
say that I have no breadth nor depth of knowledge, but as you've asked
for "comments", I do have some opinions. Others may have differing
opinions (as well as real expertise)!
I have no reason to doubt that the 1.4L Honda Fit engine is a superb
engine, and Eggenfellner (I've seen some of his videos) seems to know
what he's doin with the exception of his treatment of the radiator
setup. IMO, it appears that Eggenfellner is putting together a generic
setup with a large radiator which may be problematic for the Europa
and which ignores what I believe is a fundemental requirement for 100%
liquid-cooled aircraft engines, namely, properly contoured inlet and
exit ducting for the radiator. Location of the radiator(s) is key to
allowing for inlet air to expand (and slow down), ensure non-turbulent
airflow, and radiator efficiency...location must also allow for exit
ducting to accelerate as it enters the airflow around the airframe,
preferably in a zone of low pressure. But if the Eggenfellner engine/
PSRU serves, perhaps the radiator set up can be altered to suit.
Glenn Crowder flies his Classic w/ a beautiful cowl which incorporates
an inlet (and I think ducting setup) for a single large radiator (for
his Sube).
Alex Bowman flies his XS mono w/ a Honda derivative, the CAM
125...back in 2004 I posted some pixs of his plane on the Europa-list,
matronics-photoshare which may be a useful datapoint. The pixs show a
twin radiator setup w/ excellent inlet/exit ducting. That engine is an
earlier 1.6L Honda fitted w/ a belt-drive PSRU; it was built by an
outfit in Canada called Firewall Forward Aero Engines which has gone
out of business. The FFAE website is still up and may direct you to
new owners who contacted me recently saying that they were going to
resume production and use the Honda Fit engine, but as of this moment,
I would not call them a "going concern".
As I recall, the Eggenfellner Honda Fit setup weighs 207
pounds...which would not bode well for your intentions to have your
plane comply w/ LSA limitations. With a Europa-LSA, why would you not
consider the 80 hp Rotax 912?
Your mileage may vary,
Fred
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