---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/23/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:38 AM - Re: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem (Frans Veldman) 2. 02:40 AM - Re: Next steps - (G-IANI) 3. 04:27 AM - Flyins (PITT STEVEN) 4. 05:37 AM - Jabiru Cowling (JEFF ROBERTS) 5. 05:44 AM - What a great time (Erich Trombley) 6. 06:31 AM - Re: Rough River, west coast boys (John Wigney) 7. 06:31 AM - Re: Next steps - (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 8. 06:47 AM - Re: What a great time (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 07:55 AM - Re: What a great time (JEFF ROBERTS) 10. 07:57 AM - trim indicator (Steven Pitt) 11. 08:51 AM - Re: trim indicator (Jeff B) 12. 09:06 AM - Re: trim indicator (JEFF ROBERTS) 13. 09:45 AM - Re: Flyins (R Holder) 14. 11:53 AM - Re: trim indicator (Greg Fuchs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:08 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Top fuselage- rear flange gap problem On 09/19/2010 09:02 PM, jglazener wrote: > Is this normal? If not, what can I do about it? Jeroen, I had it too (and I have the hitop as well). I heard from others that this was normal, and I have accepted this. I filled up the gap with flox, and added two layers of bid on the outside (in addition to the flange on the inner side). 90+ hours and still counting. Frans ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:22 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Next steps - Cleve My understanding is that the Europa work on the R1100 was stopped as they could not eliminate a torsion vibration problem with the setup. I speculate that an R1200 installation would have the same problems. In May 1997 it was being worked on. This was the period when a man called Adam Kingdom became CEO. Things do not appear to have gone well and he left in mid/late 1998. News letters in this period are very sketchy. Other almost certainly know more than I do Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Flyins From: PITT STEVEN If you are looking for something different this weekend why not get Thorney Island on the South Coast into your logbook. An Ex RAF airfield from my child hood days which is normally closed to air traffic but open this weekend as an event to raise funds for SSAFA and Help for Heroes (see attached). I emailed the organiser yesterday and he said to send on the invite to you all. Also this weekend is the (supposed) closure of Sandown airfield on the Isle of Wight. One of our members Richard Holder mentioned yesterday at our Doth that a flyin was arranged for this weekend. I also spoke to one of my neighbours at Popham who had visited Sandown yesterday and reitterated that it is still open, an injunction has successfully been served to prevent the runway from being shut and the cafe has been removed to the North side and is open for business. I spoke to the owner of Specialist Flying School on the north side of the airfield today 23rd Sept(01983 402402) who served the injunction and he reitterated that the airfield will remain open and the cafe is functioning with all day breakfasts etc. All will be very welcome and landing fees remain the same as before (=A36 microlights, =A310 class A aircraft etc). H e did point out that the airfield is unlicensed and they are trying to get the strip properly mowed and cared for. PPR would be appreciated on the number above and the frequency remains the same. Look at the following for more info. http://ukga.com/airfield/sandown/reviews Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:00 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: Jabiru Cowling I remember talking to someone that was fitting a Jabiru to the Europa and was looking for the cowling. Please contact me off list if your still looking. Happy Flying, Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:48 AM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: What a great time Jeff, Thank you for putting the event together...it was fantastic. Kim, Kevi n, and myself all made it home safely today. Bob is down in Florida vi siting with some old buddies of his. As Fred stated the Europa was des igned for trips like ours. We had strong head winds which precluded us from making the trip back in two days. Although, our stay in Winslow, AZ last night was too funny. We were offered a courtesy car which the line man stated was donated to the FBO. It was a blue1981 Plymouth Re liant K station wagon. We were informed that the car was not insured a nd didn't have current registration or plates. However, not to worry, everyone in town knows the vehicle. What a hoot. We kept thinking of the Eagles song "Take it Easy." Thanks to everyone who was able to attend the event. It sure was nice to finally put faces with so, so many names on this great forum. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:14 AM PST US From: John Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River, west coast boys To fellow Europaphiles, I agree with Kevin's comments regarding cross country travel adventure in the US. One can stop at any number of out of the way places and meet the most interesting people who always go out of their way to help. Usually the courtesy car is available (often of dubious vintage and "Just don't take it out of the county!" ). Just add some gasoline. It is fun and you see a side of the US which not many people have a chance to look at. Cheers, John N262WF Mooresville, North Carolina ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ORIGINAL MESSAGE From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rough River, west coast boys Troy, After we left RR Sunday we stayed the night in Ponca City,OK (KPNC). We were greeted by the Mayor and given the keys to the mini van and club house! Monday we called it quits in Winslow, AZ (KINW) where the fuel guy said "you did'nt hear it from me, but if you look under the floor mat of the old blue station wagon you'll find the keys". We had some great laughs cruising route 66 in our '81 Reliant wagon. So we did add a couple days to our RR 2010 Europa adventure! Kevin > > Guys, > > That's quite an adventure going that far. Where did you stop for the night > > if you don't mind me asking? As a result of this trip, other trips, like > > to the beach or Florida to visit relatives just got a lot closer. Can't > > wait til next year. We need to add another day to the RR visit. > > Troy and Donna > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:49 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Next steps - Ian=0AI don't know much more but I did see it running once, the Warp Drive blades =0Aflapped wildly at around 4000 rpm (I think) making an awful rattl ing noise. =0AQuite scary at the time. Dave Sanderson was the engineer. Did n't Duncan McFadyen =0Awork on it too?=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0AFrom: G-IANI =0ATo: europa-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, 23 September, 2010 10:34:57=0ASubject: R E: Europa-List: Next steps - =0A=0A =0ACleve=0A =0AMy understanding is that the Europa work on the R1100 was stopped as they could =0Anot eliminate a torsion vibration problem with the setup. I speculate that an =0AR1200 ins tallation would have the same problems. =0A=0A =0AIn May 1997 it was being worked on. This was the period when a man called Adam =0AKingdom became CE O. Things do not appear to have gone well and he left in =0Amid/late 1998. News letters in this period are very sketchy.=0A =0AOther almost certainl y know more than I do =0A =0A =0AIan Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours=0A ======= =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:11 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: What a great time Thanks also to Paul McAllister who collected the seeds of the idea from the =0ACanard Rough River event and sewed them among the Europa tribe. Paul wo rked =0Aquite hard the previous couple of years.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Erich Trombley =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, 23 September, 2010 13:34:15=0ASubject: Europa-List: What a great time=0A=0AJeff,=0A=0AThank y ou for putting the event together...it was fantastic. Kim, Kevin, and =0A myself all made it home safely today. Bob is down in Florida visiting wit h =0Asome old buddies of his. As Fred stated the Europa was designed for trips like =0Aours. We had strong head winds which precluded us from maki ng the trip back in =0Atwo days. Although, our stay in Winslow, AZ last n ight was too funny. We were =0Aoffered a courtesy car which the line man stated was donated to the FBO. It =0Awas a blue1981 Plymouth Reliant K st ation wagon. We were informed that the car =0Awas not insured and didn't have current registration or plates. However, not =0Ato worry, everyone i n town knows the vehicle. What a hoot. We kept thinking =0Aof the Eagles song "Take it Easy." =0A=0A=0AThanks to everyone who was able to attend the event. It sure was nice to =0Afinally put faces with so, so many name s on this great forum.=0A=0AErich Trombley=0AN28ET Classic Mono 914 =0A___ _________________________________________________________=0AGet Free Email ======================== =0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:22 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: What a great time > Although, our stay in Winslow, AZ last night was too funny. We > were offered a courtesy car which the line man stated was donated to > the FBO. It was a blue1981 Plymouth Reliant K station wagon. We > were informed that the car was not insured and didn't have current > registration or plates. However, not to worry, everyone in town > knows the vehicle. What a hoot. We kept thinking of the Eagles > song "Take it Easy." As I was reading your post I thought of the same song before I got to the end and read you did too. Did you see and chicks in a flat bed ford? Glad you could make it. looking forward to twice the Europas and the same weather next year! Regards, Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush Do not archive. > > Thanks to everyone who was able to attend the event. It sure was > nice to finally put faces with so, so many names on this great forum. > > Erich Trombley > N28ET Classic Mono 914 > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:08 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: trim indicator I have noticed that my trim LED has begun to play up with several of the lights not showing up. Is this a problem others have had and has anyone looked at alternatives? Steve Pitt G-SMDH ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:16 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: trim indicator Steve, Half of my lights are out. I only get lights in cruise. Replacement is over a hundred bucks... Jeff - Baby Blue On 9/23/2010 9:51 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: > I have noticed that my trim LED has begun to play up with several of the > lights not showing up. Is this a problem others have had and has anyone > looked at alternatives? > Steve Pitt > G-SMDH > > * > > > * > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: trim indicator From: JEFF ROBERTS Steve, Mine did the same thing. I just push on the LED's with my finger and they all come back on. I think it's a printed circuit thing on the display. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Sep 23, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Jeff B wrote: > > Steve, > > Half of my lights are out. I only get lights in cruise. > Replacement is over a hundred bucks... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > On 9/23/2010 9:51 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: >> I have noticed that my trim LED has begun to play up with several >> of the >> lights not showing up. Is this a problem others have had and has >> anyone >> looked at alternatives? >> Steve Pitt >> G-SMDH >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:51 AM PST US From: R Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flyins > Also this weekend is the (supposed) closure of Sandown > airfield on the Isle of Wight. One of our members Richard > Holder mentioned yesterday at our Doth that a flyin was > arranged for this weekend. I also spoke to one of my > neighbours at Popham who had visited Sandown yesterday and > reitterated that it is still open, an injunction has > successfully been served to prevent the runway from being > shut and the cafe has been removed to the North side and > is open for business. > I spoke to the owner of Specialist Flying School on the > north side of the airfield today 23rd Sept(01983 402402) > who served the injunction and he reitterated that the > airfield will remain open and the cafe is functioning with > all day breakfasts etc. All will be very welcome and > landing fees remain the same as before (6 microlights, > 10 class A aircraft etc). He did point out that the > airfield is unlicensed and they are trying to get the > strip properly mowed and cared for. PPR would be > appreciated on the number above and the frequency remains > the same. The Flyer Forum fly-in to Sandown is planned for Sunday 26th. To show solidarity ! Richard ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:58 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: trim indicator I have serviced a few of these already. One was mine, right out of the box. In my case, one LED at the extreme range of travel would not light sometimes. All it required was a touch up of solder on one of the terminals on the back of the bar display, inside the unit. The other one was in someone else's plane, with quite a few hours. The symptom was that the two LED's (segment lights) in the middle would not light up. These two segments corresponded with cruise settings. I was sure that it was the dot/bar driver IC inside. On further inspection, it turned out to be that the two LED's on the lighted display were blown and the Integrated circuit was just fine. Most LED's should last 100,000 hours. WOW, that was a stunner! (it could be that they are driven at high current levels, for maximum brightness in the cockpit on sunny days..but I did not check) Thus in this case, a new $2 10-segment Light display was called for. >From Jeff R's symptoms: I am almost positive that based on the intermittent symptoms in Gold Rush, it will just require a solder touch-up inside the display unit. Cost: about 1 cent worth of solder. In the other two cases, there is not enough info to go on. If the LED's sometimes still work (from hand tapping), it is probably a solder Job. Tap on the display unit while it is operating, to see if you can get all of the LED's to come on. Once is enough, even if only a split second. It verifies the LED (Light Emitting Diode) is not burned out. An intermittent problem in flight that is not resolved by tapping on the display, could also reside in the position feedback inside the servo itself, back on the rear bulkhead, though I have as yet to see that failure. It is quite a simple circuit inside these display units. I used to play with the exact same circuit on a solder-less breadboard...way back in High School. In fact, I built a display for my Ford Pinto to verify the voltage in the car, just for fun. A cassette tape holder served as the case for it. If memory serves, it fell out of its berth and onto the floor when the car got rear-ended... 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