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1. 01:42 AM - Re: Radiator Cap (Moore, Dave)
2. 01:45 AM - Re: Tri-Gear Conversion (Pete Lawless)
3. 01:46 AM - Rotax filler Cap (Justin Kennedy)
4. 01:58 AM - Poorly Rotax 914 (Moore, Dave)
5. 03:30 AM - Re: Poorly Rotax 914 (rparigoris)
6. 04:09 AM - Re: Tri-Gear Conversion (jglazener)
7. 04:28 AM - Re: Tri-Gear Conversion ()
8. 06:30 AM - rectifier regulator (david miller)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: Poorly Rotax 914 (neveyre@aol.co.uk)
10. 10:44 AM - Engine discounts (Bill & Sue)
11. 01:18 PM - FW: G-GIDY (Europa)
12. 01:52 PM - Re: FW: G-GIDY (Thomas Scherer)
13. 01:56 PM - Re: FW: G-GIDY (Robert C Harrison)
14. 02:03 PM - Re: Engine discounts (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
15. 02:27 PM - the eternal engine debate (William Daniell)
16. 02:56 PM - Re: FW: G-GIDY (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
17. 03:02 PM - Re: FW: G-GIDY (Jeff B)
18. 03:08 PM - Re: the eternal engine debate (Jeff B)
19. 03:34 PM - Re: FW: G-GIDY (Brian Davies)
20. 03:42 PM - LR Tank Pump (h&jeuropa)
21. 05:14 PM - Re: Upholstery (Robert Hatton)
22. 05:33 PM - Re: the eternal engine debate (Fred Klein)
23. 05:36 PM - Re: the eternal engine debate (William Daniell)
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator Cap |
Pete,
Many thanks for replying to my radiator cap query.
A strange thing happened. That radiator cap note was one I submitted a
few months ago. Last night I tried to submit a new note (asking for
advice on a poorly running 914), but the forum server ignored my new
message and re-posted the old message... Seems to be something to do
with me changing my email provider.
Nonetheless, thanks again for taking the trouble to reply. Your advice
is spot on - that is exactly what I did.! It's the cap for a BMW F650
motorcycle....
Best regards,
Dave.
Dave Moore
24 North Square
Aberdeen AB11 5DX
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| Subject: | Tri-Gear Conversion |
Bob your opinion of the hard runway handling reflects your ability
rather
than the aeroplanes! It is not my experience mine has landed in over
20kts
across and the initial test flying done on G-EURO with the old style
tail
wheel reported that the only problem was keeping it on the ground.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Borger
Sent: 03 October 2010 21:38
Subject: Europa-List: Tri-Gear Conversion
Fellow Europaphiles:
As some of you know, I have converted my Monowheel to Tri-Gear and
several
folks have wanted information on the conversion.
I have posted a new Album in my Gallery which covers this conversion.
The
Album is NOT a comprehensive step by step guide to the conversion.
There
were many places where I wanted pictures but was, quite literally, up to
my
elbows in Epoxy, Araldite, FLOX, Fiberglass, Grease or heavens knows
what
all else and could not take pics. Still, I think this pictorial work
would
be helpful when combined with the Europa Builders Manual and other
necessary
documentation. It should also be helpful for those considering the
conversion.
I still have great affection for the Europa Monowheel. It is a
beautiful
aircraft, especially in flight. And it is a delight to fly. But not to
takeoff and land on hard surface runways with anything more than a light
cross wind. I simply find it far too restrictive in takeoff/landing
wind
conditions to make maximum utility of the aircraft as a cross country
tourer
in the U.S.A.
Especially my heartfelt thanks to Custom Flight Creations for their
invaluable assistance in the conversion process. They come highly
recommended in professionalism, experience, skill and workmanship.
The work is not complete at this time. I still have a long list of work
to
accomplish before N914XL flies again. That work will be documented in
the
conversion album as it occurs over the next couple months.
Looking forward to flying into Sun 'n' Fun, Oshkosh & Rough River in
2011!!!
Best wishes to all,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
Prop
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046
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Corinth, TX 76208
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| Subject: | Rotax filler Cap |
David,
Last year I had to replace my coolant filler cap. I use 50/50 water/glycol
and not the Evans coolant so I need a 1.2 Bar/18psi Filler Cap. Skydrive
charged me a whopping =A353 for it. I felt well and truly ripped off.
This has bugged a few UK Rotax Owners and I posted a note this Forum compla
ining about it. This instigated a world wide search for the manufacturer or
at least a reasonable priced alternative. One of the forum guys in the Sta
tes finally found it. It comes of a BMW F650 Trial bike of the kind that Ew
an McGregor went round the world on. BMW part number 19409 available from 1
1.95 + VAT at your local BMW bike parts shop. This is the identical part an
d can be ordered from motorbins.co.uk 16.92 delivered to your door. Too la
te for me but I felt I had to pass it on.
Cheers
Justin Kennedy
G-ZTED Europa Monowheel Rotax 912S
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| Subject: | Poorly Rotax 914 |
Rotax 912/914 Gurus,
I've been building a Europa for most of my leisure time for the past
seven years. Now I seem to be falling at the final hurdle.
A few years ago, I bought a 914 with seven hours on the clock. The
engine is now fitted to the aircraft and has passed all its tests (fuel
flows, fuel pressure, oil pressure, operating temps). We are still
ground running / testing. The carbs are mechanically and pneumatically
balanced and the engine starts easily (every time).
We have run the engine through the full throttle range, up to 5700 RPM.
However, sometimes when we advance the throttle, the engine cuts.
Sometimes this happens before we reach the 100% gate, sometimes we get
past the gate and it cuts when we push it to 115%. At all times, there
is a noticeable "flat spot" as we accelerate the engine up from about
2000 RPM to 3500/4000 RPM.
Another troubling aspect of the engine's operation is that when the
engine is started with choke (from cold) it cuts when the choke is
released, no matter how much warming it has had. The engine can then be
readily restarted without choke, whereupon it will run sweetly - bar the
behaviour described above...
The fuel filters are clean and it will run happily at 4000+ RPM when it
gets there. It does not appear to be fuel pumps, both pumps give very
healthy flow rates, (when tested with the fuel pressure regulator
pressurised to 5.1 -5.8 PSI (per the Europa manual)).
I have to admit to having reached the limits of my mechanical
competence. In an ideal world I would contact the local expert, who
would apply their wisdom, however, I live in the wilds of Scotland
(Aberdeen), and Rotax 914 gurus are thin on the ground up here (to the
best of my knowledge).
So, before I have to resort to importing a Rotax guru from
England-shire, I wonder if any of you technical wizards on this forum
has come across similar behaviour on a 914 (or a 912, because I don't
think it is turbo related) and could shed some light on my darkness.?
With thanks and regards,
Dave
Dave Moore
XS Monowheel #550
Aberdeen, UK
Tel: Day: 01224 267815. Home: 01224 572041
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| Subject: | Re: Poorly Rotax 914 |
Hi Dave
Sounds like you are running out of gas (too lean of a mixture).
First thing to do is make sure the carb is clean (jets and passages), the float
bowl gaskets are not leaking (if they leak air it will cause a lean mixture)
and all of your hoses going to the carb, fuel pressure regulator, enrichment solenoid,
airbox and all transucers are not pinched or leaking.
Make sure the slide in the carb is not binding and the diaphragm is in OK shape.
Also do a mag check at flat spot, and apply choke at flat spot and see if that
changes anything.
Be careful reassembling choke parts, mark and take pics before you disassemble.
Good luck.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Tri-Gear Conversion |
Bob,
Very interesting to see how the retrofit works. I have recently completed the normal
installation and even with full access it was complicated enough to make
me seriously question whether I was doing this for fun or just being masochistic.
With the added handicap of a restricted work space, it must have been a challenge
indeed!
Best regards,
Jeroen
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=44165
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| Subject: | Tri-Gear Conversion |
Pete
Well said.... The monowheel has served me well for over 800 hours, all all kinds
of paved airports, with all kinds of winds. Its a good, honest tailwheel airplane,
and I resent the plane being painted with such a broad statment by Bob..
Jim Brown
N398JB Monowheel...
---- Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
> Bob your opinion of the hard runway handling reflects your ability rather
> than the aeroplanes! It is not my experience mine has landed in over 20kts
> across and the initial test flying done on G-EURO with the old style tail
> wheel reported that the only problem was keeping it on the ground.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
> Sent: 03 October 2010 21:38
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Tri-Gear Conversion
>
>
>
> Fellow Europaphiles:
>
>
>
> As some of you know, I have converted my Monowheel to Tri-Gear and several
> folks have wanted information on the conversion.
>
>
>
> I have posted a new Album in my Gallery which covers this conversion. The
> Album is NOT a comprehensive step by step guide to the conversion. There
> were many places where I wanted pictures but was, quite literally, up to my
> elbows in Epoxy, Araldite, FLOX, Fiberglass, Grease or heavens knows what
> all else and could not take pics. Still, I think this pictorial work would
> be helpful when combined with the Europa Builders Manual and other necessary
> documentation. It should also be helpful for those considering the
> conversion.
>
>
>
> I still have great affection for the Europa Monowheel. It is a beautiful
> aircraft, especially in flight. And it is a delight to fly. But not to
> takeoff and land on hard surface runways with anything more than a light
> cross wind. I simply find it far too restrictive in takeoff/landing wind
> conditions to make maximum utility of the aircraft as a cross country tourer
> in the U.S.A.
>
>
>
> Especially my heartfelt thanks to Custom Flight Creations for their
> invaluable assistance in the conversion process. They come highly
> recommended in professionalism, experience, skill and workmanship.
>
>
>
> The work is not complete at this time. I still have a long list of work to
> accomplish before N914XL flies again. That work will be documented in the
> conversion album as it occurs over the next couple months.
>
>
>
> Looking forward to flying into Sun 'n' Fun, Oshkosh & Rough River in 2011!!!
>
>
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> Bob Borger
>
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
>
> http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046
>
> Europa Flying!
>
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
>
> Corinth, TX 76208
>
> Home: 940-497-2123
>
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | rectifier regulator |
The comments on the Rad cap made me wonder whether anyone has tracked
down a Ducatti rectifier.
As usual the Rotax price seems out of line for a part that appears to
fail regularly.
I tried the local Ducatti dealer, but they needed a motorcycle model
to find the part.
The rectifier has cured my low voltage problem. Interestingly the
battery was only able to hold
a 75% charge, but I must admit to not checking voltage on start up so
I've no idea how long this was the case.
One more thing to add to my checklist.
Dave C-FBZI , 912S tri-gear, 200 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Poorly Rotax 914 |
Hi Dave,
Look at the throttle cable inners just as they disapear into the outers in
side the throttle lever box, if you slam open the throttle, does one of th
e cables kink and get ''left behind'' ?
I have seen both the symptoms you describe caused by that.
Cheers,
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: Moore, Dave <Dave.Moore@lr.org>
Sent: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 9:55
Subject: Europa-List: Poorly Rotax 914
Rotax 912/914 Gurus,
I=99ve been building a Europa for most of my leisure time for the pa
st seven years. Now I seem to be falling at the final hurdle.
A few years ago, I bought a 914 with seven hours on the clock. The engine
is now fitted to the aircraft and has passed all its tests (fuel flows,
fuel pressure, oil pressure, operating temps). We are still ground runni
ng / testing. The carbs are mechanically and pneumatically balanced and
the engine starts easily (every time).
We have run the engine through the full throttle range, up to 5700 RPM.
However, sometimes when we advance the throttle, the engine cuts.
Sometimes this happens before we reach the 100% gate, sometimes we get pas
t the gate and it cuts when we push it to 115%. At all times, there is a
noticeable =9Cflat spot=9D as we accelerate the engine up fro
m about 2000 RPM to 3500/4000 RPM.
Another troubling aspect of the engine's operation is that when the engine
is started with choke (from cold) it cuts when the choke is released, no
matter how much warming it has had. The engine can then be readily resta
rted without choke, whereupon it will run sweetly =93 bar the behavi
our described above
The fuel filters are clean and it will run happily at 4000+ RPM when it ge
ts there. It does not appear to be fuel pumps, both pumps give very healt
hy flow rates, (when tested with the fuel pressure regulator pressurised
to 5.1 -5.8 PSI (per the Europa manual)).
I have to admit to having reached the limits of my mechanical competence.
In an ideal world I would contact the local expert, who would apply thei
r wisdom, however, I live in the wilds of Scotland (Aberdeen), and Rotax
914 gurus are thin on the ground up here (to the best of my knowledge).
So, before I have to resort to importing a Rotax guru from England-shire,
I wonder if any of you technical wizards on this forum has come across si
milar behaviour on a 914 (or a 912, because I don't think it is turbo rela
ted) and could shed some light on my darkness.?
With thanks and regards,
Dave
Dave Moore
XS Monowheel #550
Aberdeen, UK
Tel: Day: 01224 267815. Home: 01224 572041
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| Subject: | Engine discounts |
Others may already know that Skydrive, the UK Rotax importers, have reduced the
price of 912s and 914s by around 10% for an indeterminate time. (still a huge
amount of money!) Europa are matching this and adding a further discount if
you order the firewall forward kit at the same time.
Ordering now should also avoid the UK VAT increase....
If like us you didn't know this, (until Graeme Bird kindly tipped us off) there
should still be just about enough time to take advantage of the offer (I was
told I needed to order by the end of this week but I suspect that may not be an
absolute deadline).
Cheers
Bill & Sue
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314635#314635
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G-GIDY took to the air for the first time today.
A mere 12 1/2 years in the making (500 hours eh!!).
Went up with test pilot Paul for the 2nd (1 hour) flight - what a privilege.
To anyone who has helped us with a query over the years many many thanks.
Particular thanks to Graham and Neil. Here's a couple of pics
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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Paul,
she is truly beautiful !
Congratulations for a new plane born and many happy flights !
Thomas, N81EU
----- Original Message -----
From: "Europa" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:14 PM
Subject: Europa-List: FW: G-GIDY
>
>
> G-GIDY took to the air for the first time today.
>
> A mere 12 1/2 years in the making (500 hours eh!!).
>
> Went up with test pilot Paul for the 2nd (1 hour) flight - what a
> privilege.
>
> To anyone who has helped us with a query over the years many many thanks.
>
> Particular thanks to Graham and Neil. Here's a couple of pics
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart
> G-GIDY
>
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>
>
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Congratulations Paul!
Well done ..looks a smart turnout.
What a relief ! Eh !
Now you get to enjoy it. Pleased you found some decent weather.
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europa
Sent: 04 October 2010 21:14
Subject: Europa-List: FW: G-GIDY
G-GIDY took to the air for the first time today.
A mere 12 1/2 years in the making (500 hours eh!!).
Went up with test pilot Paul for the 2nd (1 hour) flight - what a privilege.
To anyone who has helped us with a query over the years many many thanks.
Particular thanks to Graham and Neil. Here's a couple of pics
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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| Subject: | Re: Engine discounts |
Hmm, and I asked Skydrive for a price quote last week and was sent what
looked like a standard brochure with prices. This showed the 912ULS as 12k+
(including VAT). Is that correct?
DMcF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Sue" <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Engine discounts
>
> <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>
>
> Others may already know that Skydrive, the UK Rotax importers, have
> reduced the price of 912s and 914s by around 10% for an indeterminate
> time. (still a huge amount of money!) Europa are matching this and adding
> a further discount if you order the firewall forward kit at the same time.
> Ordering now should also avoid the UK VAT increase....
>
> If like us you didn't know this, (until Graeme Bird kindly tipped us off)
> there should still be just about enough time to take advantage of the
> offer (I was told I needed to order by the end of this week but I suspect
> that may not be an absolute deadline).
>
> Cheers
>
> Bill & Sue
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=314635#314635
>
>
>
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| Subject: | the eternal engine debate |
Does anyone thing this is viable?
http://www.apsu-hks.com/HKS_APSU_-_HKS_700T.html
or
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/700T-vs-912Rotax.html
it is only 80hp BUT it is turbo and claims excellent fuel consumption.
Maybe at USD16,500 maybe it is worth consideration.
Will
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Paul=0Aso glad it went well, I told you it would be worth it! I was sad not
to be there =0Abut I had made an arrangement I couldn't break. Tell Nellie
to get himself =0Achecked out on monowheels, we need another mono P1 for e
mergencies!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
Europa <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>=0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa
-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Monday, 4 October, 2010 21:14:29=0ASubject: Eu
ropa-List: FW: G-GIDY=0A=0A=0A=0AG-GIDY took to the air for the first time
today.=0A=0AA mere 12 1/2 years in the making (500 hours eh!!).=0A=0AWent u
p with test pilot Paul for the 2nd (1 hour) flight - what a privilege.=0A
=0ATo anyone who has helped us with a query over the years many many thanks
.=0A=0AParticular thanks to Graham and Neil. Here's a couple of pics=0A=0A
Regards=0A=0APaul Stewart=0AG-GIDY=0A=0A------ End of Forwarded Message
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Very nice aircraft, Paul...
Congratulations!
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 10/4/2010 3:14 PM, Europa wrote:
>
>
> G-GIDY took to the air for the first time today.
>
> A mere 12 1/2 years in the making (500 hours eh!!).
>
> Went up with test pilot Paul for the 2nd (1 hour) flight - what a privilege.
>
> To anyone who has helped us with a query over the years many many thanks.
>
> Particular thanks to Graham and Neil. Here's a couple of pics
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Stewart
> G-GIDY
>
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: the eternal engine debate |
Will,
Other than price, I don't understand the attraction. 80hp with turbo
and ? if the turbo should fail. 500hrs TBO? That's 4 engines for the
TBO on a 912ULS. Hmmmmmm.
Jeff Baby Blue
On 10/4/2010 4:23 PM, William Daniell wrote:
>
> Does anyone thing this is viable?
>
> http://www.apsu-hks.com/HKS_APSU_-_HKS_700T.html
> or
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/700T-vs-912Rotax.html
>
> it is only 80hp BUT it is turbo and claims excellent fuel consumption.
> Maybe at USD16,500 maybe it is worth consideration.
>
> Will
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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Well worth the wait, Paul.
If the pictures are anything to go by, you have a cracking machine to Fly.
Many congratulations .
Usual questions for the database:
Details of the test pilot
Empty weight
Estimated total build hours
First flight airfield
+ anything else you want recording.
Best regards
Brian Davies, The Europa Club
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europa
Sent: 04 October 2010 21:14
Subject: Europa-List: FW: G-GIDY
G-GIDY took to the air for the first time today.
A mere 12 1/2 years in the making (500 hours eh!!).
Went up with test pilot Paul for the 2nd (1 hour) flight - what a privilege.
To anyone who has helped us with a query over the years many many thanks.
Particular thanks to Graham and Neil. Here's a couple of pics
Regards
Paul Stewart
G-GIDY
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We recently started using our Long Range tank. It works fine but there are two
drawbacks. First, there is a fair amount of fuel that can't be siphoned and
second, the siphon is pretty slow so Jim always wonders and worries if it is really
working.
At Rough River Kevin Klinefelter showed us his installation which uses a 914 Piersburg
fuel pump. He uses the pump to get all the fuel from the LR tank into
the main tank. He has timed how long it takes, so runs the pump for that long
after he has used 10 gallons out of the main tank.
That seemed like a good idea. But the Piersburg pump is expensive, isn't designed
to lift gas and isn't designed to run dry.
We found an electric diaphragm style pump that is designed for this type of application. It is a Walbro FRC-8-2 pump available from www.ase-supply.com. Attached is a photo of our install. It works great! The pump is quiet and has a built in inlet filter. We have a 12V socket on the flat portion of the D panel that we plug it into.
By using a long inlet hose and sticking the outlet hose in the LR tank filler,
we can also use this pump to fill the LR tank without spilling gas inside the
cockpit.
Thanks Kevin!!
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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Hello David,
If you are still stuck on an Upholsterer I used one based in
Northamptonshire. I do not know where you are or how convenient that is for
you, but let me know and I'll dig out the details.
Robert
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 8:44 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Upholstery
Hi
I'm looking for some contact details. Several years ago I had some
upholstery from Matthew who used to live in the south of England and did the
upholstery for the program "A plane is born"
I have lost his contact number and would like to know if he still makes the
upholstery kits and if anyone has any current contact details
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Re: the eternal engine debate |
On Oct 4, 2010, at 2:23 PM, William Daniell wrote:
> >
>
> Does anyone thing this is viable?
>
> http://www.apsu-hks.com/HKS_APSU_-_HKS_700T.html
> or
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/700T-vs-912Rotax.html
>
> it is only 80hp BUT it is turbo and claims excellent fuel
> consumption. Maybe at USD16,500 maybe it is worth consideration.
>
> Will
Hi Will,
I've looked this over...intriguing...w/ the turbo, EFI, and low
weight, it looks like a nice package for someone w/ a pioneering
spirit. It's beyond my competence to comment on the available gear
ratios, so I'd look for some assurance from someone knowledgeable
about mating a particular airframe, engine, and prop combination. Thus
far it looks like the applications have been for aircraft much slower
than the Europa, and there may be issues which only the "early
adopters" will uncover.
it would be intriguing to me to make this engine part of a Europa-
lite...watching the weight on everything...and seeing what's possible
w/ 80 ponies...closer to the original design, i'd venture.
Having gone the other direction, I've just spent about 9 months making
a mounting frame, extensive cowl mods, exhaust system, and cooling
system for my MPEFI Sube...more power, and more weight than typical.
it's been a bit surprising to me that things have more or less fallen
into place or at least appear to have done so...but it's not for the
faint of heart...the proof will be in the pudding. I paid $16,500 for
my engine, plus about another $2,000 for fittings, hoses, radiators,
exhaust components, 4130 steel & welding, etc. As I recall mentioning
to others, a high tolerance for ambiguity has helped me reach this
point.
Best of luck in your search and decision,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: the eternal engine debate |
Well for me at 8500 ft it makes more power than a 912s and is half the price of
a 914.....
------Original Message------
From: Jeff B
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ReplyTo: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: the eternal engine debate
Sent: Oct 4, 2010 17:05
Will,
Other than price, I don't understand the attraction. 80hp with turbo
and ? if the turbo should fail. 500hrs TBO? That's 4 engines for the
TBO on a 912ULS. Hmmmmmm.
Jeff Baby Blue
On 10/4/2010 4:23 PM, William Daniell wrote:
>
> Does anyone thing this is viable?
>
> http://www.apsu-hks.com/HKS_APSU_-_HKS_700T.html
> or
> http://www.greenskyadventures.com/EnginePricing/HKS/700T-vs-912Rotax.html
>
> it is only 80hp BUT it is turbo and claims excellent fuel consumption.
> Maybe at USD16,500 maybe it is worth consideration.
>
> Will
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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