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1. 01:29 AM - bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (graeme bird)
2. 01:31 AM - Transponder antenna (graeme bird)
3. 01:39 AM - Rotax fuel flow detection (graeme bird)
4. 02:23 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
5. 02:24 AM - SV: Rotax fuel flow detection (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
6. 02:51 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
7. 03:09 AM - SV: Rotax fuel flow detection - Clarification (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
8. 03:22 AM - Re: Singleton firewall (Bill & Sue)
9. 03:35 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (A B Milne)
10. 03:41 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (A B Milne)
11. 03:51 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (PHILLIPS I)
12. 05:24 AM - Re: SV: Rotax fuel flow detection (rampil)
13. 05:47 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (William Daniell)
14. 09:56 AM - Pneumatic connectors (Steade)
15. 10:06 AM - Re: Pneumatic connectors (Bob Fairall)
16. 01:16 PM - Re: Pneumatic connectors (G-IANI)
17. 02:05 PM - Brakes Bleeding (John Greenhalgh)
18. 02:32 PM - Re: Brakes Bleeding (david park)
19. 02:48 PM - Zolatone cockpit paint application (Fred Klein)
20. 10:47 PM - Re: Brakes Bleeding (neveyre@aol.co.uk)
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| Subject: | bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage |
Advice sort on the best place to bring the pitot and static lines (plus strobes)
into the fuselage from the port wing. Concerned about reducing structural strength
at the wrong point. Am tempted to bring in way back near the flap control
rod opening as is tidy for the cockpit.
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Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Transponder antenna |
I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on a 1ft square
copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the baggage so it doesnt poke
through. Any other suggestions from the wise ones?
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Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Rotax fuel flow detection |
Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including an RS
type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912 install is that
some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading useless unless a return
sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel calculator in my C42 is
worse than useless. Any advice appreciated.
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Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax fuel flow detection |
Could be wrong but I don't think that the LAA allow the RS fuel flow
sensor to be used because of the danger of blockage. I think that the
Flowscan units are the suggested route (I think that Parts for Aircraft
is a good UK source - cheaper in the US if you can be bothered to save
a few quid) - quite a bit more money than the RS unit but not as much
as putting the aeroplane down in a field.
----Original Message----
From: graeme@gdbmk.co.uk
Subj: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection
Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering
including an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on
the 912 install is that some of the fuel comes back which would make
the reading useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the
reason my fuel calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice
appreciated.
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Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Rotax fuel flow detection |
Graeme,
I installed the Electronics International fuel flow instrument with
differential module:
http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/FP-5P/FP-5P_Details.html
One transducer measures flow to the carbs, another measures the return flow
and the differential module sends the net flow data to the instrument. I
have used it for two years now, VERY pleased with its accuracy (easy
comparison of fuel used shown by the instrument and quantity to top up the
tank again). I have not done any recalibration. User friendly. Easy to
install. I placed one transducer between the engine driven fuel pump and
the right side carb, the other in the return line in the tunnel.
Great instrument for determining fuel efficiency (range) under various
conditions as you fly and showing remaining fuel. Only thing to remember is
to update the fuel quantity in the tank when you start the engine if you
have refueled since last flight - flashing light on the instrument reminds
you to do this.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av graeme bird
Sendt: 21. oktober 2010 10:37
Til: europa-list@matronics.com
Emne: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection
Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including an
RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912 install
is that some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading useless
unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel
calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice appreciated.
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Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax fuel flow detection |
Floscan is the best transducer, it uses an infra red sensor so is not =0Asu
sceptible to magnetic interference. Unlikely to block, the hole is larger t
han =0Aanything that would get throuhg your filter. Look for it on marine o
r automotive =0Amarkets. Non certified units are the same but cheaper. My G
rand Rapids monitor =0Auses the Floscan and the do sell them separately.=0A
Graham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "peter.rees01
@tiscali.co.uk" <peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.co
m=0ASent: Thursday, 21 October, 2010 10:14:43=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: R
s01@tiscali.co.uk" =0A<peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk>=0A=0ACould be wrong but
I don't think that the LAA allow the RS fuel flow =0Asensor to be used beca
use of the danger of blockage. I think that the =0AFlowscan units are the s
uggested route (I think that Parts for Aircraft =0Ais a good UK source - ch
eaper in the US if you can be bothered to save =0Aa few quid) - quite a bit
more money than the RS unit but not as much =0Aas putting the aeroplane do
wn in a field.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----Original Message----=0A=0AFrom: g
raeme@gdbmk.co.uk=0A=0ADate: 21/10/2010 9:36 =0A=0ATo: <europa-list@matroni
cs.com>=0A=0ASubj: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection=0A=0A=0A=0A--> Eu
ropa-List message posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>=0A=0A=0A=0A
Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering =0Aincluding
an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on =0Athe 912 i
nstall is that some of the fuel comes back which would make =0Athe reading
useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the =0Areason my fu
el calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice =0Aappreciated.
=0A=0A=0A=0A--------=0A=0AGraeme Bird=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead thi
s topic online here:=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=
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| Subject: | Rotax fuel flow detection - Clarification |
In my earlier posting today I wrote:
"I placed one transducer between the engine driven fuel pump and
the right side carb,--"
I actually placed the transducer between the engine driven pump and the
branch-off to the right side carb - it must of course measure the total flow
from the pump to both carbs - see attached photo.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Re: Singleton firewall |
[quote="Troy Maynor"]Hi Bill,
Perhaps these pix on the gallery link might help. I put sheet silicone, held with
little stainless strips, around the holes cut for the engine mount. This provides
a good seal around the tubes. There was a good deal of trimming with a
dremel to get a good fit. I was going to use fire caulk around the seams but ended
up putting insulation over the whole thing anyway so I ommited the sealant.
Hope this helps.
Troy Maynor
Thanks Troy, That is very helpful and a good idea- the sheet silicone makes a nice
neat job of it.
Regards
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder antenna |
That location and an aluminium (cooking) foil ground plane stuck to the
fuselage shell works on my aircraft with a shark's fin aerial.
When you have it flying just remember to be wise and not to crawl under the
rear fuselage and catch the aerial!
Alasdair Milne G CEYK
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From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Transponder antenna
>
> I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on a 1ft
> square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the baggage so it
> doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the wise ones?
>
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> Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax fuel flow detection |
The Europa Club have a standard LAA approved mod for the addition of a fuel
flow transducer that allows for the return flow including type of
transducer, schematic and installation requirements. See the Club website.
Alasdair Milne (Secy Europa Club)
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From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection
>
> Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including
> an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912
> install is that some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading
> useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel
> calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice appreciated.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316546#316546
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder antenna |
Hi Graeme
I use a Bob Archer Transponder Antenna (fully contained internal antenna)
in the rear fuselage just in front of the rear Push rod containment
bulkhead
It has worked well these last couple of tears with no problems of reception
or transmission,
Ivor
On 21 October 2010 09:29, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
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> I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on a 1ft
> square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the baggage so it
> doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the wise ones?
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
>
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| Subject: | Re: SV: Rotax fuel flow detection |
the return fuel rate in the 912s is tiny.
the 914 is on the other hand a significant fraction of total flow
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Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Transponder antenna |
Ivor
I bought one of these and a comm antenna but have yet to install it
....how are yours mounted?
Will
On 21-Oct-10 05:49, PHILLIPS I wrote:
> Hi Graeme
> I use a Bob Archer Transponder Antenna (fully contained internal antenna)
> in the rear fuselage just in front of the rear Push rod containment
> bulkhead
> It has worked well these last couple of tears with no problems of
> reception or transmission,
> Ivor
> On 21 October 2010 09:29, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk
> <mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>> wrote:
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> I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on
> a 1ft square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the
> baggage so it doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the
> wise ones?
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| Subject: | Pneumatic connectors |
Hi
I'm trying to get a supplier in the UK for the plastic quick connect
couplings for the pitot static lines in the wing root.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Pneumatic connectors |
Europa supplied mine with my kit, but alternatively try http://www.tom-park
er.co.uk/
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade
Sent: 21 October 2010 17:53
Subject: Europa-List: Pneumatic connectors
Hi
I'm trying to get a supplier in the UK for the plastic quick connect coupli
ngs for the pitot static lines in the wing root.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
David Steade
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| Subject: | Pneumatic connectors |
David
You can get the common sizes from Europa such as the pitot and static. You
can also get some sizes from RS Components.
If you want specialised sizes (I have used them on my fuel lines) the
experts are Tom Parker Ltd (www.tom-parker.co.uk).
Let me know if you have any problems or want any advice on the specials,
such a fuel.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Hi,
Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa.
The method stated say just use a sqeegy bottle and pump from each
wheel.
I t would appear that I cannot feed any fluid through the system.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Regards John
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John=2C just filled my system on the MONO loosen the bleed nipple and conn
ected an oil can with a pump lever with a small plastic tube and pumped oil
in to the system.
Dave LDVO
> Date: Thu=2C 21 Oct 2010 22:02:37 +0100
> Subject: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding
> From: john.greenhalgh1@sky.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
com>
>
> Hi=2C
>
> Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa.
> The method stated say just use a sqeegy bottle and pump from each
> wheel.
>
> I t would appear that I cannot feed any fluid through the system.
>
> Any advise would be appreciated.
>
> Regards John
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| Subject: | Zolatone cockpit paint application |
All,
After perusing the europa-list archive, I've picked up a lot of
reassuring information on this topic...thanks.
I could not find any mention however of the type of Zolatone product
used...I find it comes in "Counterpoints, Liuminations, Metal,
Polomyx, and Polomyx Airless".
Does anyone who's used it recall which product they sprayed, and
whether any one was better suited than another? (Price range is
significant...Polomyx appears to be the low-priced spread...I see that
Acft. Spruce does not seem to differentiate...)
Thanks,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Brakes Bleeding |
Hi John,
Get a large syringe from a Vet', use with a short piece of model glow fuel
line on the nipple of the caliper and shoot the fluid up hill.
Nev.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenhalgh <john.greenhalgh1@sky.com>
Sent: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:02
Subject: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding
om>
Hi,
Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa.
he method stated say just use a sqeegy bottle and pump from each
heel.
I t would appear that I cannot feed any fluid through the system.
Any advise would be appreciated.
Regards John
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