---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/21/10: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:29 AM - bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (graeme bird) 2. 01:31 AM - Transponder antenna (graeme bird) 3. 01:39 AM - Rotax fuel flow detection (graeme bird) 4. 02:23 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk) 5. 02:24 AM - SV: Rotax fuel flow detection (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 6. 02:51 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 7. 03:09 AM - SV: Rotax fuel flow detection - Clarification (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 8. 03:22 AM - Re: Singleton firewall (Bill & Sue) 9. 03:35 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (A B Milne) 10. 03:41 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (A B Milne) 11. 03:51 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (PHILLIPS I) 12. 05:24 AM - Re: SV: Rotax fuel flow detection (rampil) 13. 05:47 AM - Re: Transponder antenna (William Daniell) 14. 09:56 AM - Pneumatic connectors (Steade) 15. 10:06 AM - Re: Pneumatic connectors (Bob Fairall) 16. 01:16 PM - Re: Pneumatic connectors (G-IANI) 17. 02:05 PM - Brakes Bleeding (John Greenhalgh) 18. 02:32 PM - Re: Brakes Bleeding (david park) 19. 02:48 PM - Zolatone cockpit paint application (Fred Klein) 20. 10:47 PM - Re: Brakes Bleeding (neveyre@aol.co.uk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:23 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage From: "graeme bird" Advice sort on the best place to bring the pitot and static lines (plus strobes) into the fuselage from the port wing. Concerned about reducing structural strength at the wrong point. Am tempted to bring in way back near the flap control rod opening as is tidy for the cockpit. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316544#316544 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:23 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Transponder antenna From: "graeme bird" I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on a 1ft square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the baggage so it doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the wise ones? -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316545#316545 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:25 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection From: "graeme bird" Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912 install is that some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316546#316546 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:29 AM PST US From: "peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Could be wrong but I don't think that the LAA allow the RS fuel flow sensor to be used because of the danger of blockage. I think that the Flowscan units are the suggested route (I think that Parts for Aircraft is a good UK source - cheaper in the US if you can be bothered to save a few quid) - quite a bit more money than the RS unit but not as much as putting the aeroplane down in a field. ----Original Message---- From: graeme@gdbmk.co.uk Subj: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912 install is that some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316546#316546 _- =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:42 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Graeme, I installed the Electronics International fuel flow instrument with differential module: http://www.buy-ei.com/Pages/FP-5P/FP-5P_Details.html One transducer measures flow to the carbs, another measures the return flow and the differential module sends the net flow data to the instrument. I have used it for two years now, VERY pleased with its accuracy (easy comparison of fuel used shown by the instrument and quantity to top up the tank again). I have not done any recalibration. User friendly. Easy to install. I placed one transducer between the engine driven fuel pump and the right side carb, the other in the return line in the tunnel. Great instrument for determining fuel efficiency (range) under various conditions as you fly and showing remaining fuel. Only thing to remember is to update the fuel quantity in the tank when you start the engine if you have refueled since last flight - flashing light on the instrument reminds you to do this. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av graeme bird Sendt: 21. oktober 2010 10:37 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912 install is that some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:56 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Floscan is the best transducer, it uses an infra red sensor so is not =0Asu sceptible to magnetic interference. Unlikely to block, the hole is larger t han =0Aanything that would get throuhg your filter. Look for it on marine o r automotive =0Amarkets. Non certified units are the same but cheaper. My G rand Rapids monitor =0Auses the Floscan and the do sell them separately.=0A Graham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "peter.rees01 @tiscali.co.uk" =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.co m=0ASent: Thursday, 21 October, 2010 10:14:43=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: R s01@tiscali.co.uk" =0A=0A=0ACould be wrong but I don't think that the LAA allow the RS fuel flow =0Asensor to be used beca use of the danger of blockage. I think that the =0AFlowscan units are the s uggested route (I think that Parts for Aircraft =0Ais a good UK source - ch eaper in the US if you can be bothered to save =0Aa few quid) - quite a bit more money than the RS unit but not as much =0Aas putting the aeroplane do wn in a field.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----Original Message----=0A=0AFrom: g raeme@gdbmk.co.uk=0A=0ADate: 21/10/2010 9:36 =0A=0ATo: =0A=0ASubj: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection=0A=0A=0A=0A--> Eu ropa-List message posted by: "graeme bird" =0A=0A=0A=0A Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering =0Aincluding an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on =0Athe 912 i nstall is that some of the fuel comes back which would make =0Athe reading useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the =0Areason my fu el calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice =0Aappreciated. =0A=0A=0A=0A--------=0A=0AGraeme Bird=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead thi s topic online here:=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:09:46 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection - Clarification In my earlier posting today I wrote: "I placed one transducer between the engine driven fuel pump and the right side carb,--" I actually placed the transducer between the engine driven pump and the branch-off to the right side carb - it must of course measure the total flow from the pump to both carbs - see attached photo. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:58 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Singleton firewall From: "Bill & Sue" [quote="Troy Maynor"]Hi Bill, Perhaps these pix on the gallery link might help. I put sheet silicone, held with little stainless strips, around the holes cut for the engine mount. This provides a good seal around the tubes. There was a good deal of trimming with a dremel to get a good fit. I was going to use fire caulk around the seams but ended up putting insulation over the whole thing anyway so I ommited the sealant. Hope this helps. Troy Maynor Thanks Troy, That is very helpful and a good idea- the sheet silicone makes a nice neat job of it. Regards Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316556#316556 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:14 AM PST US From: "A B Milne" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Transponder antenna That location and an aluminium (cooking) foil ground plane stuck to the fuselage shell works on my aircraft with a shark's fin aerial. When you have it flying just remember to be wise and not to crawl under the rear fuselage and catch the aerial! Alasdair Milne G CEYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "graeme bird" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:29 AM Subject: Europa-List: Transponder antenna > > I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on a 1ft > square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the baggage so it > doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the wise ones? > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316545#316545 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:57 AM PST US From: "A B Milne" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection The Europa Club have a standard LAA approved mod for the addition of a fuel flow transducer that allows for the return flow including type of transducer, schematic and installation requirements. See the Club website. Alasdair Milne (Secy Europa Club) ----- Original Message ----- From: "graeme bird" Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:36 AM Subject: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection > > Just sorting the fuel system on my new build. I am considering including > an RS type flow sensor for future use but what confuses me on the 912 > install is that some of the fuel comes back which would make the reading > useless unless a return sensor was also fitted. This is the reason my fuel > calculator in my C42 is worse than useless. Any advice appreciated. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316546#316546 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Transponder antenna From: PHILLIPS I Hi Graeme I use a Bob Archer Transponder Antenna (fully contained internal antenna) in the rear fuselage just in front of the rear Push rod containment bulkhead It has worked well these last couple of tears with no problems of reception or transmission, Ivor On 21 October 2010 09:29, graeme bird wrote: > > I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on a 1ft > square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the baggage so it > doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the wise ones? > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316545#316545 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: SV: Rotax fuel flow detection From: "rampil" the return fuel rate in the 912s is tiny. the 914 is on the other hand a significant fraction of total flow -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316567#316567 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:00 AM PST US From: William Daniell Subject: Re: Europa-List: Transponder antenna Ivor I bought one of these and a comm antenna but have yet to install it ....how are yours mounted? Will On 21-Oct-10 05:49, PHILLIPS I wrote: > Hi Graeme > I use a Bob Archer Transponder Antenna (fully contained internal antenna) > in the rear fuselage just in front of the rear Push rod containment > bulkhead > It has worked well these last couple of tears with no problems of > reception or transmission, > Ivor > On 21 October 2010 09:29, graeme bird > wrote: > > > > > I am considering putting the transponder antenna in the middle on > a 1ft square copper clad single sided PCB on the floor behind the > baggage so it doesnt poke through. Any other suggestions from the > wise ones? > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316545#316545 > > > Subscription, > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ronics.com/" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > Matt Dralle, List Admin. > ==== > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:37 AM PST US From: "Steade" Subject: Europa-List: Pneumatic connectors Hi I'm trying to get a supplier in the UK for the plastic quick connect couplings for the pitot static lines in the wing root. Any help would be appreciated. Regards David Steade ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:36 AM PST US From: Bob Fairall Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pneumatic connectors Europa supplied mine with my kit, but alternatively try http://www.tom-park er.co.uk/ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steade Sent: 21 October 2010 17:53 Subject: Europa-List: Pneumatic connectors Hi I'm trying to get a supplier in the UK for the plastic quick connect coupli ngs for the pitot static lines in the wing root. Any help would be appreciated. Regards David Steade ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:36 PM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Pneumatic connectors David You can get the common sizes from Europa such as the pitot and static. You can also get some sizes from RS Components. If you want specialised sizes (I have used them on my fuel lines) the experts are Tom Parker Ltd (www.tom-parker.co.uk). Let me know if you have any problems or want any advice on the specials, such a fuel. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:27 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding From: John Greenhalgh Hi, Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa. The method stated say just use a sqeegy bottle and pump from each wheel. I t would appear that I cannot feed any fluid through the system. Any advise would be appreciated. Regards John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:27 PM PST US From: david park Subject: RE: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding John=2C just filled my system on the MONO loosen the bleed nipple and conn ected an oil can with a pump lever with a small plastic tube and pumped oil in to the system. Dave LDVO > Date: Thu=2C 21 Oct 2010 22:02:37 +0100 > Subject: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding > From: john.greenhalgh1@sky.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > com> > > Hi=2C > > Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa. > The method stated say just use a sqeegy bottle and pump from each > wheel. > > I t would appear that I cannot feed any fluid through the system. > > Any advise would be appreciated. > > Regards John > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:56 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Zolatone cockpit paint application All, After perusing the europa-list archive, I've picked up a lot of reassuring information on this topic...thanks. I could not find any mention however of the type of Zolatone product used...I find it comes in "Counterpoints, Liuminations, Metal, Polomyx, and Polomyx Airless". Does anyone who's used it recall which product they sprayed, and whether any one was better suited than another? (Price range is significant...Polomyx appears to be the low-priced spread...I see that Acft. Spruce does not seem to differentiate...) Thanks, Fred ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding From: neveyre@aol.co.uk Hi John, Get a large syringe from a Vet', use with a short piece of model glow fuel line on the nipple of the caliper and shoot the fluid up hill. Nev. -----Original Message----- From: John Greenhalgh Sent: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 22:02 Subject: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding om> Hi, Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa. he method stated say just use a sqeegy bottle and pump from each heel. I t would appear that I cannot feed any fluid through the system. Any advise would be appreciated. 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