---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/22/10: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:27 AM - Rotax fuel flow detection (Guerner Remi) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: Zolatone cockpit paint application (h&jeuropa) 3. 05:51 AM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (G-IANI) 4. 05:51 AM - Re: Zolatone cockpit paint application (david miller) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: Brakes Bleeding (Frans Veldman) 6. 10:04 AM - Zolatone cockpit paint application (Fred Klein) 7. 10:56 AM - Rotax fuel flow detection (Guerner Remi) 8. 11:38 AM - SV: Rotax fuel flow detection (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 9. 11:59 AM - Re: Pneumatic connectors (rampil) 10. 01:09 PM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (Karl Heindl) 11. 05:53 PM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (Jan de Jong) 12. 07:40 PM - Need a source for 1/4" pip pins (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:44 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Hi Alasdair, I cannot find this Mod on the Club website. Could you help please? Remi Guerner <<<<<>>>>>>> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:49 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Zolatone cockpit paint application From: "h&jeuropa" Fred, We used Zolatone 20 series. Go to www.zolatoneaim.com which is the automotive / industrial / marine product. Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316649#316649 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:42 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Remi The mod is an LAA Standard Mod 12209 (on the LAA site). I have attached a copy for you It will be on the Europa Club site when we get it sorted out Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:49 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Zolatone cockpit paint application Fred, I purchased mine from a Sherwin-Williams auto paint store. Beware, this stuff really stinks when sprayed! For some touch up work I used "stone " spray can paint from a hardware store, so far it has stood up well, and it was much easier to use. Dave C-FBZI On 21-Oct-10, at 5:45 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > All, > > After perusing the europa-list archive, I've picked up a lot of > reassuring information on this topic...thanks. > > I could not find any mention however of the type of Zolatone > product used...I find it comes in "Counterpoints, Liuminations, > Metal, Polomyx, and Polomyx Airless". > > Does anyone who's used it recall which product they sprayed, and > whether any one was better suited than another? (Price range is > significant...Polomyx appears to be the low-priced spread...I see > that Acft. Spruce does not seem to differentiate...) > > Thanks, > > Fred > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:29 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Brakes Bleeding On 10/21/2010 11:02 PM, John Greenhalgh wrote: > Is there anyone who can advise on bleeding the brakes on my europa. If you have a tri-gear, and the other master cylinder brand than Matco (forgot the name but I think it started with a "J"), toss it away and install Matco brake cylinders instead. I spent a whole frustrating weekend to try to bleed that other brand, but those things are just horrible and badly manufactured. In fact, if you would manage to bleed them properly after all, you will most likely end up replacing them by Matco's anyway, as these things usually develop problems (leakage, jamming) after a short time of usage. After I installed the Matco's, bleeding was a non-event that took a few minutes. In the 100 hours I have been flying with them during the last half year, I had no problems with them. Feel and braking capacity is perfect. Succes, Frans ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:18 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Zolatone cockpit paint application On Oct 22, 2010, at 4:38 AM, h&jeuropa wrote: > We used Zolatone 20 series. Go to www.zolatoneaim.com which is the > automotive / industrial / marine product. Jim & Heather...thank you! AAAHA!!...jeeze-louise...so there are TWO different companies manufacturing product under the name, "Zolatone"...whooda thunkit? (I've been scoping out product from www.zolatone.com out of MN...it's water base should have tipped me off....Freddyboy, it's a big wide world out there ! ) F. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:18 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Thank you Ian for posting the LAA mod. I have not installed a fuel flow in my aircraft but if I had to, I would use the attached schematic which allows measuring the flow to the carbs with a single sensor, therefore improving accuracy and reliability and reducing cost. The same principle can be used for the 914. In that case the single flow sensor would be installed between the pressure regulator and the carbs. Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:44 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Remi, At first sight, your proposal may look like the obvious solution. With respect, however, I think it is not to be recommended for 912ULS installations (I do not know enough about 914 to comment on that engine). Contrary to what seems to be a common assumption, the return flow through the restrictor is not insignificant - it is roughly 10 litres per hour (i.e. roughly half of the net cruise consumption, or roughly 1/3 of the fuel going to the engine is flowing back to the tank). The reason for this relatively high surplus circulation is of course to reduce the time the fuel is exposed to heat before it reaches the carbs, by increasing the flow velocity through the fuel line. According to the build manual, the return line branches off at the point farthest from the pump, just before the left side carb (assuming the fuel line goes from the pump to the right side of the engine with a short branch off to the right carb, and from there across the back of the engine to the left carb). Moving the return line branch-off upstream (closer to the pump) increases the risk of vapour forming in the fuel lines downstream from this branch-off point. By how much, I do not know, but maybe it is critical under unfavourable circumstances. "Maybe's" under the cowling are not nice - - - - - . Regards, Svein LN-SKJ -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne av Guerner Remi Sendt: 22. oktober 2010 19:53 Til: Europa-List Digest Server Emne: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Thank you Ian for posting the LAA mod. I have not installed a fuel flow in my aircraft but if I had to, I would use the attached schematic which allows measuring the flow to the carbs with a single sensor, therefore improving accuracy and reliability and reducing cost. The same principle can be used for the 914. In that case the single flow sensor would be installed between the pressure regulator and the carbs. Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:59:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Pneumatic connectors From: "rampil" I like the Winter 5 channel QDC Find it at a local glider supply shop (I use two extra channels for my AOA) -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316694#316694 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:17 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection Remi=2C I tried just that. It does not work. The fuel flow at that point is not smo oth and you get very erratic readings. Only John Wigney managed to get it t o work with a pulsation damper.I tried that too=2C but with little improvem ent. So I will also have to buy another Floscan transducer. The price at AC S is as good or as bad as any. Karl > From: air.guerner@orange.fr > Subject: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection > Date: Fri=2C 22 Oct 2010 19:53:24 +0200 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Thank you Ian for posting the LAA mod. > > I have not installed a fuel flow in my aircraft but if I had to=2C I > would use the attached schematic which allows measuring the flow to > the carbs with a single sensor=2C therefore improving accuracy and > reliability and reducing cost. > > The same principle can be used for the 914. In that case the single > flow sensor would be installed between the pressure regulator and the > carbs. > > Remi Guerner > F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:38 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection There is information in the total flow from the pump(s). Jos O. once mentioned that one of his pre-flight checks was a total forward flow of 120 l/h or so (Rotax 914). Anything less would be an early sign of trouble. Jan de Jong Guerner Remi wrote: > > Thank you Ian for posting the LAA mod. > > I have not installed a fuel flow in my aircraft but if I had to, I > would use the attached schematic which allows measuring the flow to > the carbs with a single sensor, therefore improving accuracy and > reliability and reducing cost. > > The same principle can be used for the 914. In that case the single > flow sensor would be installed between the pressure regulator and the > carbs. > > Remi Guerner > F-PGKL > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Need a source for 1/4" pip pins From: "rparigoris" We have been making good progress rigging the wings on my XS Monowheel. Managed to get the starboard wing lift pin sockets bonded where I wanted them to be. After cure of Redux and bolting them to fuse, I wanted to see just how well the starboard wing was "stuck" to the fuse. I am not going to pull that wing off anytime soon, but I did notice if I sweep the wing forward and aft it moves about 1/2" between loading the aft lift pin to fuse with a clunk, clunk between loading it under compression (aft sweep) and tension (forward sweep). I am assured this is normal, but I don't like it too much. I identified the majority of slop as being caused by the rear lift pin quick release pin being undersized a bit (under .250" in diameter, closer to .245"). I had a .250" rod hanging around that I inserted and the clunk, clunk 1/2" movement is largely gone. Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a MIL spec quick release pin that would work for the aft lift pin that is in fact .250" in diameter? Kinda sorta to have a fit like a NAS bolt? Thx. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316731#316731 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.