---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/27/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:11 AM - Tru-Trak servo Service Bulletin (Guerner Remi) 2. 10:41 AM - Arplast Prop (Steade) 3. 01:21 PM - Re: Rotax fuel flow detection (Juergen Buschmann) 4. 01:37 PM - Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (graeme bird) 5. 01:46 PM - Fuel Computer (Juergen Buschmann) 6. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (Robert Borger) 7. 03:01 PM - Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (rparigoris) 8. 03:53 PM - zolatone (Fred Klein) 9. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (Jan de Jong) 10. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (JR Gowing) 11. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage (Lance Sandford) 12. 05:53 PM - Re: zolatone (Steve Hagar) 13. 08:07 PM - Re: zolatone (Kevin Klinefelter) 14. 10:11 PM - Re: zolatone (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:48 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Tru-Trak servo Service Bulletin To Tru-Trak autopilot users, Are you aware of the attached Service Bulletin? They recommand to fit a safety bracket to prevent the screw securing the servo arm to get loose. The good news is that they will send you the bracket free of charge. Just send them an e-mail. I received mine today. Congratulations to Tru-Trak for such a good product support! Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:59 AM PST US From: "Steade" Subject: Europa-List: Arplast Prop Hi All Now that Jerry has stopped supporting the Arplast Prop in the UK does anyone have a good contact at the Factory who can be contacted in English for the supply of spares and service? Regards David Steade ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:03 PM PST US From: Juergen Buschmann Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax fuel flow detection I will too install a fuel computer this winter to my 912s. In the manual of my FC1 Flybox is a schematic I will post here and I cant see why it shoud not work. Even measuring the fow of only one carb it should be no problem to find the right k-faktor setting. Am 23.10.2010 10:44, schrieb Guerner Remi: > Svein, > > I basically agree with what you wrote. However my proposed schematic > is very close to the one recommanded (and optionally supplied) by > Rotax in the 912 Install Manual (see attached). This arrangement works > on most LSAs so I do not see why it would not work with the addition > of the fuel flow sensor as propsed. > > Regards > Remi Guerner > > > <<<<< solution. With > respect, however, I think it is not to be recommended for 912ULS > installations (I do not know enough about 914 to comment on that engine). > > Contrary to what seems to be a common assumption, the return flow through > the restrictor is not insignificant - it is roughly 10 litres per hour > (i.e. > roughly half of the net cruise consumption, or roughly 1/3 of the fuel > going > to the engine is flowing back to the tank). The reason for this > relatively > high surplus circulation is of course to reduce the time the fuel is > exposed > to heat before it reaches the carbs, by increasing the flow velocity > through > the fuel line. According to the build manual, the return line > branches off > at the point farthest from the pump, just before the left side carb > (assuming the fuel line goes from the pump to the right side of the > engine > with a short branch off to the right carb, and from there across the > back of > the engine to the left carb). > > Moving the return line branch-off upstream (closer to the pump) increases > the risk of vapour forming in the fuel lines downstream from this > branch-off > point. By how much, I do not know, but maybe it is critical under > unfavourable circumstances. "Maybe's" under the cowling are not nice > - - - > - - .>>>>>>>>> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:27 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage From: "graeme bird" I didnt get any response on this, was it a stupid question? I still cant find out where they are supposed to come through. Advice appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317245#317245 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:37 PM PST US From: Juergen Buschmann Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Computer I will too install a fuel computer this winter to my 912s. In the manual of my FC1 Flybox is a schematic I will post here and I cant see why it shoud not work. Even measuring the fow of only one carb it should be no problem to find the right k-faktor setting. Juergen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:17 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage Graeme, I understand there is no specific direction for the routing and exit of the pitot/static plumbing. It's pretty much what ever works best for you. Check six, Bob Borger http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914 rlborger@mac.com Cel: 817-992-1117 On Oct 27, 2010, at 3:35 PM, graeme bird wrote: > > I didnt get any response on this, was it a stupid question? I still cant find out where they are supposed to come through. > > Advice appreciated. > > -------- > Graeme Bird ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:19 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage From: "rparigoris" Hi Graeme You can look through this album for some ideas: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=31838 Ira and Bobs routing are at the beginning. My choice is scattered about the album a bit, but I ran 3 pneumatic hoses and wires on the port side and 1 pneumatic hose and wires on the starboard side. They are just aft of the spars and sneak between the fuse and the fuel tank and poke out through the space between the headrest and fuse side. Since I needed to get some of the port wires to the starboard headrest, I covered the wires with Teflon expando sleeve and snaked it above the fuel tank to the inside of the starboard headrest. I considered the aft route, but couldn't make it work as well for me . If you do consider the aft route keep in mind weakening it may cause the rear liftpin socket. Good luck Ron Parigoris Stbd 1 pneumatic hose and the other is for wires: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=84429 Port 3 pneumatic: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=84432 Port exiting between headrest and fuse: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=31871 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317262#317262 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:59 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: zolatone Hi...I note that zolatone recommends a 2.0 to 2.4mm nozzle in a pressure-feed type gun for spraying their multicolor material. I'm finding that, short of spending way more for a gun than I'd like to, the guns in my price range have 1.4mm to 1.8mm nozzles. Has anyone tried to enlarge the nozzle size of a spray gun successfully?...unsuccessfully?...in order to apply the zolatone multicolor material? My application is for cockpit interior which will not be covered w/ fabric...I'm attracted to the multi-color-stuff as it seems to offer a good way to mask the CM seams and other irregularities...I've looked for but have not found any comparable spray can product at Home Depot or hardware stores. Recommendations from experience are most welcome. Thanks, Fred ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:01 PM PST US From: Jan de Jong Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage This is still in the future for me, but I think my plan is: - from wing conduit outlet behind the spar over the spar (under fairing) to in front of spar - connections in front of spar - into fuselage behind seat - up to window sill by headrest avoiding motorglider wings spoiler actuator hole in the corner (fuselage side just below spar pin hole) - join window sill conduit I have the impression that this was once considered the standard way. It may be in the manual somewhere. Jan de Jong graeme bird wrote: > > I didnt get any response on this, was it a stupid question? I still cant find out where they are supposed to come through. > > Advice appreciated. > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:01 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage Graeme I placed my tube into the fuselage rear of the fuselage stiffener. Holding the tube in place alongside the stiffener, I added a cover rising to just under the fuselage side stiffener (door sill) of the fuselage where I made a triangular support for the sill which is also a tunnel for wiring and tubes which can go either way.. JR Kit 327 in OZ Do not archive From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage I didnt get any response on this, was it a stupid question? I still cant find out where they are supposed to come through. Advice appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=317245#317245 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:19 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: bringing Pitot and static tubes into fuselage Graeme Attached (I hope) is a page from what I believe was the final Europa News from the old Company. Regards Lance Sandford in OZ > --> Europa-List message posted by: "graeme bird" > > I didnt get any response on this, was it a stupid question? I still cant find out where they are supposed to come through. > > Advice appreciated. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:44 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: zolatone Yes I used some number drills to open the nozzel up and the results were fine. Steve Hagar Mesa Az > [Original Message] > From: Fred Klein > To: > Date: 10/27/2010 3:55:48 PM > Subject: Europa-List: zolatone > > > Hi...I note that zolatone recommends a 2.0 to 2.4mm nozzle in a > pressure-feed type gun for spraying their multicolor material. > > I'm finding that, short of spending way more for a gun than I'd like > to, the guns in my price range have 1.4mm to 1.8mm nozzles. > > Has anyone tried to enlarge the nozzle size of a spray gun > successfully?...unsuccessfully?...in order to apply the zolatone > multicolor material? > > My application is for cockpit interior which will not be covered w/ > fabric...I'm attracted to the multi-color-stuff as it seems to offer a > good way to mask the CM seams and other irregularities...I've looked > for but have not found any comparable spray can product at Home Depot > or hardware stores. > > Recommendations from experience are most welcome. > > Thanks, > > Fred > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:42 PM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: zolatone Fred, I bought a Harbor Freight gun and drilled it out. Worked fine. If your primer matches the base color of the zolatone, you won't have to spray as much. The zolatone is heavy if you spray it thick. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Klein" Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 3:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: zolatone > > Hi...I note that zolatone recommends a 2.0 to 2.4mm nozzle in a > pressure-feed type gun for spraying their multicolor material. > > I'm finding that, short of spending way more for a gun than I'd like to, > the guns in my price range have 1.4mm to 1.8mm nozzles. > > Has anyone tried to enlarge the nozzle size of a spray gun > successfully?...unsuccessfully?...in order to apply the zolatone > multicolor material? > > My application is for cockpit interior which will not be covered w/ > fabric...I'm attracted to the multi-color-stuff as it seems to offer a > good way to mask the CM seams and other irregularities...I've looked for > but have not found any comparable spray can product at Home Depot or > hardware stores. > > Recommendations from experience are most welcome. > > Thanks, > > Fred > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:43 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: zolatone Kevin K. & Steve H....thank you for your responses > I bought a Harbor Freight gun and drilled it out. ...HF is my favorite supplier! > Worked fine. Excellent...BTW, how's the gun work on conventional paint after the nozzle has been enlarged? 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