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0. 12:20 AM - November List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:36 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 02:43 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Robert C Harrison)
3. 03:36 AM - Re: prop & spinner size for new cowl (G-IANI)
4. 03:44 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Greg Fuchs)
5. 03:47 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Greg Fuchs)
6. 05:03 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Karl Heindl)
7. 12:46 PM - Squat switch - what? (Fergus Kyle)
8. 01:17 PM - Re: Squat switch - what? (Robert Borger)
9. 01:48 PM - Re: Squat switch - what? (rparigoris)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine not turning over |
Karl,
Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you
tested the battery under load?
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Heindl
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Hi,
I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was
only a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the
aircraft home on my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season
anyway.
I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in
that area ? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ?
I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the
prop is also no problem.
Appreciate any advice.
Karl
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| Subject: | Engine not turning over |
Hi! Karl
It sounds like a starter solenoid not passing current to the starter.
Automotive /agricultural solenoids could be parted out and the contact
washer rotated to remake contact.
Otherwise probably the ground circuit to the engine is inadequate or even
not passing electricity.
Certainly not the sprag clutch the other end of the engine !
Assuming you have taken Kingsley's advice.?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: 03 November 2010 08:27
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Karl,
Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you tested
the battery under load?
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Heindl <mailto:kheindl@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Hi,
I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only
a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on
my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway.
I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area
? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ?
I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is
also no problem.
Appreciate any advice.
Karl
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| Subject: | prop & spinner size for new cowl |
Graeme
The Europa cowl spinner size is 10inches.
The 80HP normally uses the tapered blade and the 100HP has the parallel
sided blades
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
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| Subject: | Engine not turning over |
Karl,
If the battery checks out (and no loose connections), then check the output
of the clicking solenoid to verify it is supplying power to the starter.
The contacts may have moved apart due to melted plastic, or they could be
corroded, etc. There should be voltage to the starter, when the solenoid is
clicked on.
Regards,
Greg Fuchs
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Hi,
I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only
a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on
my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway.
I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area
? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ?
I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is
also no problem.
Appreciate any advice.
Karl
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| Subject: | Engine not turning over |
Oops, just saw this advice, or would not have sent it out, since mine is
just the same...
Do not archive
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 2:37 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Hi! Karl
It sounds like a starter solenoid not passing current to the starter.
Automotive /agricultural solenoids could be parted out and the contact
washer rotated to remake contact.
Otherwise probably the ground circuit to the engine is inadequate or even
not passing electricity.
Certainly not the sprag clutch the other end of the engine !
Assuming you have taken Kingsley's advice.?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: 03 November 2010 08:27
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Karl,
Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you tested
the battery under load?
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Heindl <mailto:kheindl@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Hi,
I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only
a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on
my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway.
I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area
? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ?
I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is
also no problem.
Appreciate any advice.
Karl
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| Subject: | Engine not turning over |
Thanks for all replies. I was hoping for a simple explanation but:I tried u
sing a booster battery from the airport and bypassed the solenoid with a ju
mper cable. The engine was turning over fine just seconds before this. Cabl
e connections to the engine case and motor were tight. So I'm puzzled by al
l this.
Karl
From: gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over
Oops=2C just saw this advice=2C or would not have sent it out=2C
since mine is just the same...
Do not archive
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Wednesday=2C November 03=2C 2010 2:37 AM
europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning
over
Hi!
Karl
It sounds like a
starter solenoid not passing current to the starter. Automotive /agricultur
al
solenoids could be parted out and the contact washer rotated to remake
contact.
Otherwise probably the
ground circuit to the engine is inadequate or even not passing
electricity.
Certainly not the sprag clutch the other end of the engine
!
Assuming you have taken
Kingsley=92s advice.?
Regards
Bob Harrison
G-PTAG
From:
owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst
Sent: 03 November 2010 08:27
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning
over
Karl=2C
Sounds like you might have a flat or
faulty battery to me. Have you tested the battery under load?
Regards
Kingsley in Oz
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From: Karl Heindl
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent:
Wednesday=2C November 03=2C 2010 10:40 AM
Subject:
Europa-List: Engine not turning
over
Hi=2C
I found myself stranded with an
engine that would not start. There was only a click from the relay=2C but
no
movement up front. I got the aircraft home on my trailer=2C it was to be
my last
flight this season anyway.
I assume it is a broken sprag
clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area ? My question is: does it
require removal of the engine ?
I removed the starter motor and
it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is also no
problem.
Appreciate any
advice.
Karl
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| Subject: | Squat switch - what? |
Being new to construction (in the spiritual sense) I have come
across the above title, alternately known as an 'airborne acquisition
sensor' and other epithets.
I get the idea - when she squats on the ground, she's not flying -
when she rises above ground she is un-squated. We come to the nub - where
does one put the microswitch which tells a number of devices she's flying?
This in my case is a Classic 914 yet to fly. We need to know the gear is
locked down I presume, and the main purpose is to record the time in the
air, presuming it is terminated by a landing......
If you have a similar machine I would be delighted to hear where you
set the switch and whether you are content with it I know, I know, like
the parental words during a long trip, "You should have thought of that
earlier...."
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Re: Squat switch - what? |
Ferg,
Normally, the "squat" switch is located on one of the main landing gear
oleo strut such that the switch is either operated when the weight is on
the gear and the oleo strut compressed. It's primary use is to
disengage the gear retract mechanism when the aircraft is on the ground.
It may have other uses, enabling/disabling things and systems which
should/shouldn't operate on the ground or in flight. It may also
operate a hobbs meter to record flight time for maintenance purposes.
Not having an oleo strut on the Europa Monowheel makes a true "squat"
switch more difficult configure. Perhaps you could do something with
the shock absorber package if you can still get to it. Other
alternatives are a switch operated by the gear retract lever or some
other piece of the gear retract hardware. Or, perhaps, a speed sensing
switch set to around 45 mph.
I had a microswitch located adjacent to the landing gear down-lock notch
so that when the gear lever was in the down-lock notch it opened the NC
contact removing power from a Hobbs meter. Move the gear lever out of
the down-lock notch and the NC elements of the switch closed applying
power to the Hobbs to record actual flight time. Now that I'm a
tri-gear, I no longer have the system operable and will be removing it.
Would you like the Hobbs and switch?
Check six,
Bob Borger
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Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914
rlborger@mac.com
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Nov 3, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote:
> Being new to construction (in the spiritual sense) I have come
across the above title, alternately known as an =91airborne acquisition
sensor=92 and other epithets.
>
> I get the idea ' when she squats on the ground, she=92s not
flying ' when she rises above ground she is un-squated. We come to
the nub ' where does one put the microswitch which tells a number of
devices she=92s flying? This in my case is a Classic 914 yet to fly. We
need to know the gear is locked down I presume, and the main purpose is
to record the time in the air, presuming it is terminated by a
landing......
>
> If you have a similar machine I would be delighted to hear
where you set the switch and whether you are content with it I know,
I know, like the parental words during a long trip, =93You should have
thought of that earlier....=94
>
> Cheers, Ferg
>
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| Subject: | Re: Squat switch - what? |
Hi Ferg
Just one option is to use an airspeed switch. You can use a stall warner switch
as Europa supplies, it can be adjusted to turn on with vacuum or pressure, or
off with vacuum or pressure.
We are incorporating gear and door warning on our XS Monowheel, details below:
Throttle position switch (reed)
Airspeed switch (Europa stall warner that is readjusted)
Outrigger switches (sealed McMaster)
Airbrake switch (sealed McMaster)
Main gear down latch switch (reed)
Door aft shoot bolt switches (sealed McMaster)
Overview:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=29497
Schematic:
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId414
Ron Parigoris
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318074#318074
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