---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/03/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - November List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:36 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Kingsley Hurst) 2. 02:43 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Robert C Harrison) 3. 03:36 AM - Re: prop & spinner size for new cowl (G-IANI) 4. 03:44 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Greg Fuchs) 5. 03:47 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Greg Fuchs) 6. 05:03 AM - Re: Engine not turning over (Karl Heindl) 7. 12:46 PM - Squat switch - what? (Fergus Kyle) 8. 01:17 PM - Re: Squat switch - what? (Robert Borger) 9. 01:48 PM - Re: Squat switch - what? 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For example, if someone replies to one of the messages, when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum. The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:20 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Karl, Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you tested the battery under load? Regards Kingsley in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Heindl To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi, I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway. I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area ? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ? I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is also no problem. Appreciate any advice. Karl ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:13 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi! Karl It sounds like a starter solenoid not passing current to the starter. Automotive /agricultural solenoids could be parted out and the contact washer rotated to remake contact. Otherwise probably the ground circuit to the engine is inadequate or even not passing electricity. Certainly not the sprag clutch the other end of the engine ! Assuming you have taken Kingsley's advice.? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 03 November 2010 08:27 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Karl, Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you tested the battery under load? Regards Kingsley in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Heindl Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi, I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway. I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area ? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ? I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is also no problem. Appreciate any advice. Karl href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:08 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: prop & spinner size for new cowl Graeme The Europa cowl spinner size is 10inches. The 80HP normally uses the tapered blade and the 100HP has the parallel sided blades Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:05 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Karl, If the battery checks out (and no loose connections), then check the output of the clicking solenoid to verify it is supplying power to the starter. The contacts may have moved apart due to melted plastic, or they could be corroded, etc. There should be voltage to the starter, when the solenoid is clicked on. Regards, Greg Fuchs ______________________ Hi, I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway. I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area ? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ? I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is also no problem. Appreciate any advice. Karl ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:44 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Oops, just saw this advice, or would not have sent it out, since mine is just the same... Do not archive _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 2:37 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi! Karl It sounds like a starter solenoid not passing current to the starter. Automotive /agricultural solenoids could be parted out and the contact washer rotated to remake contact. Otherwise probably the ground circuit to the engine is inadequate or even not passing electricity. Certainly not the sprag clutch the other end of the engine ! Assuming you have taken Kingsley's advice.? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 03 November 2010 08:27 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Karl, Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you tested the battery under load? Regards Kingsley in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Heindl Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi, I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only a click from the relay, but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on my trailer, it was to be my last flight this season anyway. I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area ? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ? I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is also no problem. Appreciate any advice. Karl href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Click on this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided * AeroElectric www.aeroelectric.com * The Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbooks.com * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com List Contribution Web Site: --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. - The Europa-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - www.aeroelectric.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:29 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Thanks for all replies. I was hoping for a simple explanation but:I tried u sing a booster battery from the airport and bypassed the solenoid with a ju mper cable. The engine was turning over fine just seconds before this. Cabl e connections to the engine case and motor were tight. So I'm puzzled by al l this. Karl From: gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Oops=2C just saw this advice=2C or would not have sent it out=2C since mine is just the same... Do not archive From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Wednesday=2C November 03=2C 2010 2:37 AM europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi! Karl It sounds like a starter solenoid not passing current to the starter. Automotive /agricultur al solenoids could be parted out and the contact washer rotated to remake contact. Otherwise probably the ground circuit to the engine is inadequate or even not passing electricity. Certainly not the sprag clutch the other end of the engine ! Assuming you have taken Kingsley=92s advice.? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kingsley Hurst Sent: 03 November 2010 08:27 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Karl=2C Sounds like you might have a flat or faulty battery to me. Have you tested the battery under load? Regards Kingsley in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Heindl To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday=2C November 03=2C 2010 10:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Engine not turning over Hi=2C I found myself stranded with an engine that would not start. There was only a click from the relay=2C but no movement up front. I got the aircraft home on my trailer=2C it was to be my last flight this season anyway. I assume it is a broken sprag clutch. Has anyone got experience in that area ? My question is: does it require removal of the engine ? I removed the starter motor and it checks out okay. Hand turning the prop is also no problem. Appreciate any advice. Karl href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http: //www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.homebuilth elp.com">www.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Euro pa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forum s.matronics.com -- Please Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)<>November is the Annual List Fund Rais er. Click on<>this year's Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided<> * A eroElectric www.aeroelectric.com * The Builder's Bookstore www.builders books.com * HomebuiltHELP www.homebuilthelp.com<>List Contribution Web Site:<>--> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<>Thank you for your genero us support! -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. - The Europa-List Email Forum -<>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? Europa-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:24 PM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: Europa-List: Squat switch - what? Being new to construction (in the spiritual sense) I have come across the above title, alternately known as an 'airborne acquisition sensor' and other epithets. I get the idea - when she squats on the ground, she's not flying - when she rises above ground she is un-squated. We come to the nub - where does one put the microswitch which tells a number of devices she's flying? This in my case is a Classic 914 yet to fly. We need to know the gear is locked down I presume, and the main purpose is to record the time in the air, presuming it is terminated by a landing...... If you have a similar machine I would be delighted to hear where you set the switch and whether you are content with it I know, I know, like the parental words during a long trip, "You should have thought of that earlier...." Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:58 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Squat switch - what? Ferg, Normally, the "squat" switch is located on one of the main landing gear oleo strut such that the switch is either operated when the weight is on the gear and the oleo strut compressed. It's primary use is to disengage the gear retract mechanism when the aircraft is on the ground. It may have other uses, enabling/disabling things and systems which should/shouldn't operate on the ground or in flight. It may also operate a hobbs meter to record flight time for maintenance purposes. Not having an oleo strut on the Europa Monowheel makes a true "squat" switch more difficult configure. Perhaps you could do something with the shock absorber package if you can still get to it. Other alternatives are a switch operated by the gear retract lever or some other piece of the gear retract hardware. Or, perhaps, a speed sensing switch set to around 45 mph. I had a microswitch located adjacent to the landing gear down-lock notch so that when the gear lever was in the down-lock notch it opened the NC contact removing power from a Hobbs meter. Move the gear lever out of the down-lock notch and the NC elements of the switch closed applying power to the Hobbs to record actual flight time. Now that I'm a tri-gear, I no longer have the system operable and will be removing it. Would you like the Hobbs and switch? Check six, Bob Borger http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL Europa XS, Short Wing, Intercooled Rotax 914 rlborger@mac.com Cel: 817-992-1117 On Nov 3, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote: > Being new to construction (in the spiritual sense) I have come across the above title, alternately known as an =91airborne acquisition sensor=92 and other epithets. > > I get the idea ' when she squats on the ground, she=92s not flying ' when she rises above ground she is un-squated. We come to the nub ' where does one put the microswitch which tells a number of devices she=92s flying? This in my case is a Classic 914 yet to fly. We need to know the gear is locked down I presume, and the main purpose is to record the time in the air, presuming it is terminated by a landing...... > > If you have a similar machine I would be delighted to hear where you set the switch and whether you are content with it I know, I know, like the parental words during a long trip, =93You should have thought of that earlier....=94 > > Cheers, Ferg > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:04 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Squat switch - what? From: "rparigoris" Hi Ferg Just one option is to use an airspeed switch. You can use a stall warner switch as Europa supplies, it can be adjusted to turn on with vacuum or pressure, or off with vacuum or pressure. We are incorporating gear and door warning on our XS Monowheel, details below: Throttle position switch (reed) Airspeed switch (Europa stall warner that is readjusted) Outrigger switches (sealed McMaster) Airbrake switch (sealed McMaster) Main gear down latch switch (reed) Door aft shoot bolt switches (sealed McMaster) Overview: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=29497 Schematic: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId414 Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=318074#318074 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.