---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/15/10: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:42 PM - Engine mount for 912 wanted-or full firewall forward kit (K BURNS) 2. 02:52 PM - Re: Engine mount for 912 wanted-or full firewall forward kit (nigel henry) 3. 08:02 PM - Re: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE? (Steve Hagar) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:59 PM PST US From: K BURNS Subject: Europa-List: Engine mount for 912 wanted-or full firewall forward kit Hi Guys, anyone out there breaking an Europa XS that wants to sell Engine mount for 912 wanted-or full firewall forward kit please get in touch ie :- Engine mount for 912 Exhaust Radiators water and oil Ducting Carb heaters Hardware. Kevin (just taken over an unfinished project) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:06 PM PST US From: nigel henry Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine mount for 912 wanted-or full firewall forward kit I might be able to help I have a Europa 912 firewall forward including cowl s oil coolers and engine mount the Europa was purchased to be changed to 9 14 turbo contact me gbupa@hotmail.com thanks Nigel Henry > Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 20:39:52 +0000 > From: kjburns@btinternet.com > Subject: Europa-List: Engine mount for 912 wanted-or full firewall forwar d kit > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Hi Guys=2C > > anyone out there breaking an Europa XS that wants to sell Engine mount fo r 912 > wanted-or full firewall forward kit please get in touch ie :- > > Engine mount for 912 > Exhaust > Radiators water and oil > Ducting > Carb heaters > Hardware. > > Kevin (just taken over an unfinished project) > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:22 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE? Peter: Have you sent your tank in yet? I being one who having to "hack my tank out" have a tank that I bought a couple of years ago from Bob Berube. I don't know how long he had it so its processing is questionable. I had been planning on fabricating a metal tank for installation when I got around to it so the new plastic tank has been sitting around to be used as a model. However I may change my mind and put the stock item in it would be good to have the proper processing on it. If the lot charge could be spread over 2 or more tanks it would be beneficial. Please get with me if this is something to be considered. Thank you , Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ hagargs@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Zutrauen Sent: 12/13/2010 5:16:42 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE? Hi Fred, Indeed it is an industrial process on the loose piece-parts in temperature/pressure controlled chambers filled with controlled volumes of Fluorine. Different parameter combinations for different levels of fluorination (they have 9 different levels). They typically are set up to do large mfg runs of auto gas tanks, plastic gerry cans, shampoo bottles etc.etc. so I'm eating a minimum charge (which they somewhat reduced for me) which is distasteful but understandable, and worth my piece of mind (hopefully preventing me from potentially hacking out my tank 5-10 years down the road.). If I had 4 tanks or so, I could have done it much more cost effectively. They have 4 facilities which can do the Auto-tank level, and I chose their Atlanta plant for it's relative proximity. I'll keep folks posted how it goes and can provide contact info for any interested. Cheers, Pete A239 On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Fred Klein wrote: Peter, Since your tank is yet to be installed, I expect that you will be taking it somewhere for treatment. As one w/ an installed but yet to be filled w/ fuel tank of similar vintage, I'm wondering about the treatment you anticipate and how it is done...(?)...Is it something which conceivable could be accomplished on an installed tank if the fuselage were trailered to a facility which does this sort of thing? I wouldn't expect the treatment would be offered at the neighborhood "gaairage" (phonetic sp.? lol), but I've no idea what type of facility does this sort of work...do you live near a factory which supplies the auto industry? Please keep us posted on this, Fred On Dec 12, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Peter Zutrauen wrote: thanks all for the info/links. Looks like mine *should* have been done, but since I still don't know to what level, I decided to go get it done again, this time to automotive level standards. Based upon the softness of the tank material, I presume it is LDPE. Cheers & thx, Pete A239, building finally starting in earnest. On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Jan de Jong wrote: Introduction of fluorination was in April 1997: http://www.sarangan.org/www/mhonarc/mharc/html//europa-list/1997-08/msg00096.html I have assumed that my tank from the year 2000 was treated and did not repeat it. In any case any spilt epoxy bonds to it extremely well (as well as to itself) - which is supposed to be a side effect of fluorination. Jan de Jong craig bastin wrote: my kit is from 2000 as well, and i asked the factory (before the merger) back in 2008 if my tank fell into the post non fluorinated time frame, and they responded this after i indicated the desire to purchase a new fluorinated tank. so based on what i was told i would believe yours should be ok. If its not much cost involved the second treatment would probably be a good investment. regards craig -----Original Message----- *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Peter Zutrauen *Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:43 AM *To:* europa-list@matronics.com *Subject:* Europa-List: Europa fuel tank - LDPE or HDPE? Would anyone know which it is? (I think I had heard LDPE) I am asking because I am about to spend some money getting my still uninstalled tank Fluorinated or Re-Fluorinated - since I cannot be sure to what level it was done by the Europa factory (if it was done at all back in 2000) and I wish to avoid the swelling and cracking problems some are seeing in service. 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