---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/17/10: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:45 AM - Re: Am I the only one to have the kick-back problem? (Steade) 2. 01:00 AM - iphone apps (Richard Iddon) 3. 01:01 AM - Re: Am I the only one to have the kick-back problem? (Richard Iddon) 4. 01:16 AM - Re: iphone apps (Alan Burrill) 5. 03:39 AM - Re: iphone apps (David Joyce) 6. 06:36 AM - Re: Europa Motor Glider Info Needed (K BURNS) 7. 09:12 AM - Odyssey Battery (JonSmith) 8. 09:13 AM - Re: iphone apps (Gerry Holland) 9. 09:38 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery (Peter Rees) 10. 09:45 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery (JEFF ROBERTS) 11. 09:57 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery (LAURENS yannick) 12. 09:57 AM - Re: Odyssey Battery (Kevin Klinefelter) 13. 12:01 PM - Re: Am I the only one to have the kick-back problem? (Ralph K. Hallett III) 14. 12:10 PM - Re: Odyssey Battery (Jeff B) 15. 12:17 PM - Re: Odyssey Battery (JonSmith) 16. 02:17 PM - Re: Icing: 912S versus 912 (jpg12305) 17. 07:15 PM - Re: Odyssey Battery (Michel AUVRAY) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:35 AM PST US From: "Steade" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Am I the only one to have the kick-back problem? Remi A friend had this problem for a long time on a Ban-Bi. It was ultimately solved by fitting a new sprag clutch. I assume you have the heavy duty starter motor fitted with a good battery and leads which is the usual cure. Regards David Steade ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:14 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: Europa-List: iphone apps Hi Guys. Don't know if this has already been discussed but I have treated myself to a new iphone and wondered what apps other are using? I have already found aeroweather and met office. Also is the Ipad a useful tool in an aircraft? Richard Iddon G-RIXS (test flown for permit renewal yesterday!!) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:48 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Am I the only one to have the kick-back problem? Remi. You've probably tried this already but I had this problem until I wired in a push button so that I can start on one mag only. No problems now. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: iphone apps From: Alan Burrill Try pilot whizz which includes weight and balance, route planning and me tar/Taf collection. Alan #0303 Sent from my iPad On 17 Dec 2010, at 08:56, "Richard Iddon" wrote: > Hi Guys. > > Don't know if this has already been discussed but I have treated myself to a > new iphone and wondered what apps other are using? I have already found > aeroweather and met office. Also is the Ipad a useful tool in an aircraft? > > > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS (test flown for permit renewal yesterday!!) > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:11 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: iphone apps Richard, I have an iPad and love it. It has become my European flying companion, and I have thrown my old laptop away (or at least given it to my wife!) I haven't tried using it in the air, preferring to do the time consuming/distracting bits on the ground, but I guess it would work. The only snag is that 3G services still cost an arm and a leg on the continent, so I just use it on the hotel wifi systems. As far as apps go I find World Aviation weather is great - Tafs & metars instantaneously for anywhere in the world and put into readily digestible form. Apart from this I haven't found any to supplant the various weather links on the guernseyaeroclub site + a great new site from Leeds (rasp.inn.leedsmet.ac.uk/RASPtable.html) which gives cloud base predictions around the UK, including the channel Happy Xmas, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Iddon" Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: Europa-List: iphone apps > Hi Guys. > > Don't know if this has already been discussed but I have treated myself to > a > new iphone and wondered what apps other are using? I have already found > aeroweather and met office. Also is the Ipad a useful tool in an aircraft? > > > Richard Iddon G-RIXS (test flown for permit renewal yesterday!!) > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:15 AM PST US From: K BURNS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Motor Glider Info Needed Thanks Karl,=0A=0AYou are correct about the wing mount interchangeability, the solution is to make =0Aup a jig before installing the mount hard points and use the same jig for all =0Aaircraft within the syndicate...if someone has an aircraft that is already =0Aflying , we make the jig off his hard p oints as mine are not yet instaled, =0Asimple!=0A=0AKevin=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: Karl Heindl =0ATo: e uropa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, 16 December, 2010 22:34:48=0ASub ject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Motor Glider Info Needed=0A=0AKevin, =0A=0ATr y to locate a set that is almost complete but not yet closed. If you are re - =0Aimporting it the LAA will want to inspect it. I don't want to sell min e just =0A-yet.-=0AI could be wrong, but you may have problem fitting a set of wings, long or =0Ashort, to different fuselages.=0A=0A=0Abest wishe s,=0A=0AKarl=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADate: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:38:36 +0000=0AFrom: kjburns@btinternet.com=0ASubject: Re: Euro pa-List: Europa Motor Glider Info Needed=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0A =0A=0AKarl,=0A=0AI eventually wish to add a set of glider wings to my kit, thought of setting up =0Aa Wing share Syndicate to help on the economics (A ny UK owners please contact =0Ame), will be watching for second hand wings also, (I can-arrange shipping from =0AUS, EU,-Canada, or down under). =0A=0AKevin=0A=0ASailplane-pilot since 1976, Silver C and diamond Height (UK hills do get you =0Ahigh)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0AFrom: Karl Heindl =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0AS ent: Monday, 6 December, 2010 15:27:51=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: Europa M otor Glider Info Needed=0A=0AHi Bud, =0A=0AMy total flight time is 13 hours in 19 flights. Modification was made to the =0Aairbrakes as I had reported to you earlier. Results are as expected: easier =0Aairbrake handling and e limination of any flutter.=0A=0AKarl=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________ _________________=0AFrom: budyerly@msn.com=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Europa-List: Europa Motor Glider Info Needed=0ADate: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:49:31 -0500=0A=0A=0AGentlemen,=0AI need your help.- I am putting together an updated list of MG builders.- I have =0Aattached an excel sp readsheet and pasted the info below.- Please indicate =0Awhether you stil l have the MG kit, set of wings or-the new owner if you sold =0Athem.=0AI f you are flying, please indicate your total hours accumulated on your MG. - Any =0Adetail you can forward will be appreciated as it will be used fo r fleet data and =0Anotifications of future modifications.- Insert your i nfo into the table below or =0Ainto the spreadsheet and I and Dave Goddard, Europa's chief engineer will update =0Athe corporate records.=0A=0AThank y ou all,=0A=0ABud Yerly=0AEuropa Dealer/Tech Assistance=0Apersonal email:- budyerly@msn.com=0Awww.customflightcreations.com=0A=0AKnown or Possible Mo tor Glider Owners=0AKit Number Last Name Address City State/Province Countr y Status Flying Hrs. =0AA002 Agudelo, Jorge Carrera 43A No.1 Medellin - C olombia - - =0AA026 Wood, Frank Box 1312 Pincher Creek - Alberta Cana da - - =0AA040 Davis, Harry 9526 Secretariat Houston TX USA - - =0A A046 Kilian, N. John 906 Park View Rd. Chelan WA USA - - =0AA069 Vaugha n, Lee 1153 Carpenter St. Monroe IA USA - - =0AA087 mono Meshulam, Shel don 983 Diamond Dr. Arcata CA USA - - =0AA087 mono Wilkins, Jimmy 293 C heyenne Dr Paso Robles CA USA - - =0AA088 mono Landin, Peter 523 S Wash ington St Easton MD USA - - =0AA102 mono Jarc, John 2000 Country Club D r.- Daytona Beach- Fl USA - - =0AA102 mono Jarc, John 910 Friendshi p Rd.- Seneca SC USA - - =0AA130 mono Pruyne, Kermit 732 S. Washingto n St. Rd. Washington MA USA - - =0AA135 mono Deford, David 2143 Foxswal low Rd Pleasanton CA USA - - =0AA158 mg/tri Wilson, John 11587 Avondale Drive Fairfax VA USA - - =0AA160 mg Davis, Chris 37 Aunt Zilpas Rd. We st Chatham MA USA - - =0AA162 mg/tri Neils, Rob 1005 N. Pines Rd Ste250 Spokeane WA USA - - =0AA164 mono McCleallan, William 3275 Erinlea Ave Newbury Park CA USA - - =0AA180 mono Douglas, Dave 2402 Pebble Dr. Gran dbury TX USA - - =0AA185 mono Butcher, Jim & Heather 3146 N. 5th St. Ka lamazoo MI USA Under =0Aconstruction - =0A=0AA192 mono Gunnlaugson, Jim 3 102 43rd St. South Lethbridge AB Canada - - =0AA193 mono Cornell, Fred 4712 Morpis Ave Fort Worth TX USA - - =0AA197 mono Marker, Mike 384 Don SE Los Lunas NM USA - - =0AA217 mg/mono Dunsmuir, Steven 452 Lake Barn egat Dr. N. Forked River NJ USA - - =0AA227 mg/mono Anderson, David 101 2 Verde Way Gardenville NV USA Flying 400 =0AA233 mg/mono Kingsley, Richard 2399 Gold Mine Rd. Kershaw SC USA - - =0AA234 mg/mono Hallett, Ralph 8 719 Stonetly Ct. Reno NV USA - - =0AA240 mg Koester, Bill 185 E. Townsh ip Line Rd. Eaton PA USA - - =0AA241 Tri Baker, Homer 17425 Edgerton Rd . Edgerton KS USA Flying 120 =0AA244 mg/mono Lawton, Doug 139 Quitmon Lane Clarksesville GA USA - - =0AA274 mg/mono Banhagel, John 13667 North 108 th Dr. Sun City AZ USA For Sale - =0AA277 mg Storey, Nill 3523 Van Horn R d. Jackson MI USA - - =0AA285 Tri MG Reed, George 14220 Pinehurst Ave B aton Rouge LA USA Flying >100 =0AA292 mg/mono Doughty, Mark 3676 Morrison A ve Johnstown CO USA - - =0AA293 mg/mono Danner, Martin- III 9485 Ceda r Glen Cove Cordova TN USA - - =0AUK110 Timm, Peter 9280 168 Street Sur rey B.C. Canada - - =0AUK111- Prout, Kim 1302 N. Monte Vista #5 Uplan d CA USA - - =0AUK223 Both, Christoph POBox 1148 Wolfville Nova Scotia Canada - - =0AUK392 mg Heindl, Karl 21777 Concession 9 North Lacaster O ntario Canada - - =0ATrigear Leinberger, Gary 136N. Charlottes St. Lanc aster PA USA Under =0AConstruction - =0A=0ATrigear Friedlander, Barry - Bolder CO USA Storage - =0AMono Bolyard, John 1200 E 3rd St. Panama City FL USA Under Construction - =0AMono Anderson, Ben 947 Calle Camellia Sie rra Vista AZ USA For Sale - =0A- Maher William E. PO BOX 21237 Long Bea ch CA USA - - =0Awww.-= --> =0A "" face="courier new,courier">ww w.aeroelectric.com " =0Atarget="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank" >www.homebuilthelp.com =0A="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0Atarget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =0Aht ================ =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:02 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery From: "JonSmith" Hi all, I need to buy a battery for my aircraft but don't know much about them! A friend recommended the Odyssey battery and I know that some people have fitted them to their Europas. My question is - which model is suited best to the Europa application? When I googled Odyssey there was a perplexing array of models/ sizes etc available. My friend's one is a PC 680. Is that considered to be a good "all rounder" and suitable for the Europa or are there better, more suited ones available. I don't want to buy the wrong one! Thanks in advance, Regards, Jon -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323668#323668 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: iphone apps From: Gerry Holland Richard Hi! I've made my iPhone 3GS a back up device and have the following Apps loaded .. Some are free, others quite cheap really. I loaded and use Memory Map with CAA Maps. The App is free and the CAA Southern Map was =A39.99. Memory Map supports all CAA 1:500,000 and 1: 250,000 Maps as well as French Aviation Maps. Aeroweather (Free and Full versions are available) NOTAMS Wind Meter Altimeter Horizon Airspeed iHeading A 12V Socket is needed as these Apps tend to drain iPhone battery. All in all it's a great device and these Apps are well worth loading. Regards Gerry Gerry Holland 07808 402404 gholland@content-stream.co.uk Based at White Ox Mead, Near Bath, UK ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:15 AM PST US From: "Peter Rees" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery Hi Jon We fitted a PC680 in HI about 3 years ago - it has served us well and would fit the same again when (if) we have to replace it. Peter ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery From: JEFF ROBERTS Jon, I've been using a 680 since my first flight. Other than my own stupidity of leaving my master on after flying it's been trouble free. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Dec 17, 2010, at 10:55 AM, JonSmith wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I need to buy a battery for my aircraft but don't know much about > them! A friend recommended the Odyssey battery and I know that some > people have fitted them to their Europas. > > My question is - which model is suited best to the Europa > application? When I googled Odyssey there was a perplexing array of > models/ sizes etc available. My friend's one is a PC 680. Is that > considered to be a good "all rounder" and suitable for the Europa or > are there better, more suited ones available. I don't want to buy > the wrong one! > > Thanks in advance, Regards, > > Jon > > -------- > G-TERN > Classic Mono > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323668#323668 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:23 AM PST US From: LAURENS yannick Subject: Re: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery Hi I have the odyssey pc 545 for 1 year, and I am very satisfy with it, no more starting problems this winter yannick LAURENS F PSCZ classic mono rotax 912 warp drive Le 17 dc. 10 17:55, JonSmith a crit : > > > > Hi all, > > I need to buy a battery for my aircraft but don't know much about > them! A friend recommended the Odyssey battery and I know that some > people have fitted them to their Europas. > > My question is - which model is suited best to the Europa > application? When I googled Odyssey there was a perplexing array of > models/ sizes etc available. My friend's one is a PC 680. Is that > considered to be a good "all rounder" and suitable for the Europa or > are there better, more suited ones available. I don't want to buy > the wrong one! > > Thanks in advance, Regards, > > Jon > > -------- > G-TERN > Classic Mono > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323668#323668 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:23 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery I have the Odyssey PC 680 fitted under the baggage bay in my 914 powered XS. The 914 relies on electric fuel pumps, so a battery of known capacity is part of plan B if the Rotax generator or regulator quit. I modified our Subaru Legacy to use the same battery, and that works well too. I replace the PC 680 in the plane about every two years and put the used one in the Subaru for the next two years. By that time the battery is starting to show weakness during very cold weather cranking in the car, it's time to swap again. The PC 680 costs me about 135 bucks delivered here in California, so it's not the cheapest solution. But at least I feel like I get good service life out of them. Are you replacing a battery or is this a new installation? Kevin ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:16 PM PST US From: "Ralph K. Hallett III" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Am I the only one to have the kick-back problem? Remi, I too forgot to point out that I use a push button and one mag, the softstart one, to start. Ralph On 12/17/2010 12:59 AM, Richard Iddon wrote: > > Remi. > > You've probably tried this already but I had this problem until I > wired in a push button so that I can start on one mag only. No > problems now. > > Richard Iddon. G-RIXS > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:30 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery Jon, Your friend is correct the 680 is a fine choice... Jeff - Baby Blue On 12/17/2010 10:55 AM, JonSmith wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "JonSmith" > > Hi all, > > I need to buy a battery for my aircraft but don't know much about them! A friend recommended the Odyssey battery and I know that some people have fitted them to their Europas. > > My question is - which model is suited best to the Europa application? When I googled Odyssey there was a perplexing array of models/ sizes etc available. My friend's one is a PC 680. Is that considered to be a good "all rounder" and suitable for the Europa or are there better, more suited ones available. I don't want to buy the wrong one! > > Thanks in advance, Regards, > > Jon > > -------- > G-TERN > Classic Mono > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323668#323668 > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:59 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Odyssey Battery From: "JonSmith" Many thanks for the replies. Sounds like a very good recommendation, question answered! Regards, Jon (ps Kevin - it's a new engine installation into an existing (previously flying) plane!) -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323687#323687 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:17:42 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Icing: 912S versus 912 From: "jpg12305" Bonjour Jean-Philippe, This could be a good bar discussion, fueled by liters of beer... What is strange here is that flight conditions were apparently not suited for a significant risk of icing. Negative OAT and 8C difference with DP makes a quite dry atmosphere. There could have been anyway a layer close to saturation in altitude, but I am pretty sure that in the 125h flight hours life of the engine, real potential carb icing conditions have been encountered apparently without issue. The rough running could have been related to something else. I share your question about why 912S may be more prone to carb icing. One reason of temperature drop in the carb is fuel vaporisation. The higher fuel flow of the 912S may let think about more risk of icing? And to my level of knowledge of CV carburettors, this means a higher depression around the diffuser lowering temperature there as well. Open discussion..... Anyway I stopped worrying about all that two months ago by installing the Skydrive carb heat kit. My peace of mind increased a bit..... Jean-Paul Europa 332 LFEF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323706#323706 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:17 PM PST US From: Michel AUVRAY Subject: Re: Europa-List: Odyssey Battery Le 17/12/2010 20:15, Jeff B a crit : > > Jon, > > Your friend is correct the 680 is a fine choice... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > On 12/17/2010 10:55 AM, JonSmith wrote: >> --> Europa-List message posted by: >> "JonSmith" >> >> Hi all, >> >> I need to buy a battery for my aircraft but don't know much about >> them! A friend recommended the Odyssey battery and I know that some >> people have fitted them to their Europas. >> >> My question is - which model is suited best to the Europa >> application? When I googled Odyssey there was a perplexing array of >> models/ sizes etc available. My friend's one is a PC 680. Is that >> considered to be a good "all rounder" and suitable for the Europa or >> are there better, more suited ones available. I don't want to buy >> the wrong one! >> >> Thanks in advance, Regards, >> >> Jon >> >> -------- >> G-TERN >> Classic Mono >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=323668#323668 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Hi all, I used an Odyssey PC545 since two years, and now with 912S, this battery is perfect. 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