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1. 02:04 AM - Europa Club Annual Bash (Brian Davies)
2. 09:39 AM - Europa fuel tank - Fluorination service in the USA (Peter Zutrauen)
3. 02:25 PM - Fuel hose (Ron Jones)
4. 05:58 PM - Re: Fuel hose (Robert Borger)
5. 07:05 PM - Re: Fuel hose (rampil)
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| Subject: | Europa Club Annual Bash |
For those UK owners who are bored with poor flying weather and lack of
contact with fellow builders/flyers there are still a few places left for
the Europa Club annual bash at the Brandon Hall Hotel & Spar on 22/23
January.
There is plenty to do for partners so you don't need to feel guilty about
neglecting them while you talk about your first/second love with fellow
addicts.
Just go to the Europa Club website site at www.europaclub.org.uk for
details. If you are not a club member, don't worry I can fix that for you
on the day.
Regards
Brian Davies
The Europa Club
membership secretary
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| Subject: | Europa fuel tank - Fluorination service in the USA |
A quick update for anyone interested:
- My tank is enroute back to me (well, not me, but to the UPS store in
Odgensburg NY)
- My shipping costs were approx $100. I included a return shipping label in
the crate for the return trip. (their quotes are FOB their dock)
- The process reportedly was uneventful (no contamination-caused heat
damage)
- I just received their quote, for anyone else interested the cost is
$33.46 per tank. What a deal! :-)
- Their minimum order charge is $300 - ouch....(I'm still sore) (btw,
that is reduced from $400 for us Europa builders)
- On their quote, they offer "Certificate of Fluorination" for an additional
$90 per *shipment* fwiw.
So, for any other builders in N.A. who have not yet installed their tank and
were interested, if a group got together the shipping costs would likely be
greater than the actual processing. The only potential tricky part may be
the logistics, to ensure all the tanks got to their dock near the same time.
I have the quote in .pdf for anyone interested.
Cheers,
Pete
A239
Ottawa, Canada
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Yes, my tank is en-route. As I've been advised from them that if the tank
> is not free of contaminants (I had to clean mine inside and out with
> naphtha/methanol - nasty) it could be damaged in the process (over-heat from
> a reaction with contaminants), I'd recommend that we wait and see how mine
> goes. Also, I've asked them to produce an accurate costing for my tank (and
> filler snake) with the prospect of doing a few more (grouped together) for
> any other builders out there.
>
> One interesting comment by their technical adviser I thought may have some
> merit: when he was examining pictures of my tank for a cost estimate, he
> advised me that all cuts/openings to the tank must be done prior to the
> process, or any exposed freshly cut surface will be an entry point for the
> absorption of fuel into the MDPE plastic. This is because the fluorination
> treatment is only a surface treatment. So if one takes his opinion as
> valid, even if the tanks have been treated to an adequate level by Europa,
> cutting into them after-wards drastically diminishes the treatment's
> effectiveness.
>
> I'll keep the list updated on the outcome of my tank's adventure, and group
> pricing for anybody interested. Of course I won't likely know how effective
> it has been for another 10 years or so :-P
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
> Ottawa, Canada
>
> PS - when I asked the cynical question of "how do I know you even did
> anything" I received the following (reassuring?) reply:
> *
> "Regarding your assurance that your tank has been treated properly, we do
> not ship any items to any one of our customers without our QC measures in
> place. Through use of a Thermo Electron Fourier Transform Infrared
> Spectrophotometer (FTIR) the ratio of available hydrogen sites that have
> been replaced with fluorine in comparison to the available hydrogen sites
> that have not been replaced with fluorine can be measured. Every item
> treated by us must pass our QC before it is released for return shipment. "
> *
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Steve Hagar <hagargs@earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Peter:
>>
>> Have you sent your tank in yet? I being one who having to "hack my tank
>> out" have a tank that I bought a couple of years ago from Bob Berube. I
>> don't know how long he had it so its processing is questionable. I had been
>> planning on fabricating a metal tank for installation when I got around to
>> it so the new plastic tank has been sitting around to be used as a model.
>> However I may change my mind and put the stock item in it would be good to
>> have the proper processing on it. If the lot charge could be spread over 2
>> or more tanks it would be beneficial. Please get with me if this is
>> something to be considered.
>>
>> Thank you ,
>>
>> Steve Hagar
>> A143
>> Mesa AZ
>> hagargs@earthlink.net
>>
>>
>>
>
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Seasons Greetings to all.
I would be very interested to hear what the latest thinking is on the type /
make of flexible fuel hose is best for handling Un-leaded Mogas now that our
wonderful leaders are insisting on dumping all sorts of horrible additives
into said fuel.
I have an XS with 912S fitted and the hoses have decided they've had enough
and have started weeping!
(I'm weeping, too, at the thought of changing them in this weather!
Regards to all,
Ron Jones (G-RJWX)
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Ron,
If you want to stay with flexible rubber you'll probably want to go with the best
fuel injection system hose you can find. Over here we'd go to any good auto
parts store to get it. Over on your side of the pond it may be different.
Best regards,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop
http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232
http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046
Europa Flying!
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jan 4, 2011, at 16:20, Ron Jones wrote:
>
> Seasons Greetings to all.
>
> I would be very interested to hear what the latest thinking is on the type /
make of flexible fuel hose is best for handling Un-leaded Mogas now that our wonderful
leaders are insisting on dumping all sorts of horrible additives into
said fuel.
> I have an XS with 912S fitted and the hoses have decided they've had enough and
have started weeping!
> (I'm weeping, too, at the thought of changing them in this weather!
>
> Regards to all,
> Ron Jones (G-RJWX)
>
>
>
>
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Check this reference:
http://www.gates.com/common/downloads/files/Gates/brochure/TechTipsForm.pdf
R9 hose for impermence, braided stainless forward of the firewall
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