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1. 03:00 AM - Electric Flap (flyingphil2)
2. 03:19 AM - Re: Electric Flap (Brian Davies)
3. 06:57 AM - Re: 2011 Rough River (JEFF ROBERTS)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Electric Flap (Rob Housman)
5. 07:29 AM - Re: 2011 Rough River (Peter Jeffers)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: 2011 Rough River (Peter Jeffers)
7. 09:54 AM - Re: Electric Flap (flyingphil2)
8. 10:26 AM - painting a plated engine mount frame (graeme bird)
9. 11:44 AM - Re: Electric Flap (PHILLIPS I)
10. 01:54 PM - Re: wanted europa trigear (Roland)
11. 04:11 PM - Re: painting a plated engine mount frame (Bud Yerly)
12. 11:29 PM - Re: wanted europa trigear (europapa)
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Hi,
I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore the
'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system fitted to
the tri-gear.
I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical mono flap
system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap and full
flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system. The electric
flap mod is interesting though.
My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and then
look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap switch when
the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system 'Cessna style'
where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to half flap and then hit
the switch again if you want full flap?
If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that the
electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are operating
the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct angle versus just
moving the mono handle to the correct indent.
Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick than I
think?
Thanks,
Phil
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Hi Phil,
Nothing clever about the electrical system. It is just a rocker switch and
visual check for position.
Regards
Brian Davies
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
Sent: 02 February 2011 10:57
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap
Hi,
I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore
the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system
fitted to the tri-gear.
I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical mono
flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap
and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system.
The electric flap mod is interesting though.
My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and
then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap
switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system
'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to
half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap?
If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that
the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are
operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct
angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent.
Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick
than I think?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: 2011 Rough River |
Roger that Steve. I'll keep that in mind. You may ask around that if our
RR fly-in was on a different date... would that encourage some to come
over and if so how many. We would love to get some of you chaps over
here.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Steven Pitt wrote:
> Jeff,
> Good to see your forward planning. I am sure there are many from this
side of the Atlantic who would love to visit. The only point I would
make at this stage is that the 9/10/11th September is also the Texel
Dutch Light Aircraft flyin in North Holland.
> Don't let that change your plans but this forward thinking is good to
allow people to make their choices in good time.
> The committee of the club is working on the flying programme and will
advise every one of dates as soon as possible.
> See you at Sun'n'Fun.
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JEFF ROBERTS
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
>
> Bud & All,
> I will go for the booking so you can get in in front of all the
flyers. This year I think we can increase the birds in attendance big
time. Maybe even get some of the far away lads to come across the pond
for some American beer.
>
> You all over there can take the big iron into Louisville KY and we
won't hold it against you. ;o)
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
>
>> Jeff,
>> Looks good to me. Let's get Steve to get it in the flier and I'll
get it on Europas site.
>> Bud
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jeff B
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
>>
>>
>> Fine by us...
>>
>> Jeff - Baby Blue
>>
>> On 1/31/2011 11:04 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> > I had a moment so I thought this year it might be good try and get
the
>> > weekend booked before we're out of options like last. Although we
all
>> > know booking it last year two weeks after Labor Day weekend worked
>> > rather well for the weather gods. Anyway if all are willing I would
be
>> > glad to try and get this booked the weekend of September 9th &
10th.
>> > Thats the 1st weekend after Labor Day weekend.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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I also found the standard electric flap system lacking so I designed and
built this simple modification. The attachment shows the mechanical and
electrical components and circuitry that allow a momentary contact switch to
get the flaps moving and stop at the next position going either direction.
A "traffic light" on the panel shows red for "full" orange at "half" and
green for "in motion."
Since I am not yet flying I can't confirm that the notches in the rod are
located precisely for half flaps but from static tests they are about right.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, California
Europa XS
Rotax 914
S/N A070
Airframe complete
Avionics soon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:57 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap
Hi,
I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore
the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system
fitted to the tri-gear.
I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical mono
flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap
and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system.
The electric flap mod is interesting though.
My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and
then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap
switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system
'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to
half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap?
If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that
the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are
operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct
angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent.
Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick
than I think?
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | 2011 Rough River |
test
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS
Sent: 02 February 2011 14:53
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
Roger that Steve. I'll keep that in mind. You may ask around that if our RR
fly-in was on a different date... would that encourage some to come over and
if so how many. We would love to get some of you chaps over here.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Steven Pitt wrote:
Jeff,
Good to see your forward planning. I am sure there are many from this side
of the Atlantic who would love to visit. The only point I would make at this
stage is that the 9/10/11th September is also the Texel Dutch Light Aircraft
flyin in North Holland.
Don't let that change your plans but this forward thinking is good to allow
people to make their choices in good time.
The committee of the club is working on the flying programme and will advise
every one of dates as soon as possible.
See you at Sun'n'Fun.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: JEFF ROBERTS <mailto:Jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
Bud & All,
I will go for the booking so you can get in in front of all the flyers. This
year I think we can increase the birds in attendance big time. Maybe even
get some of the far away lads to come across the pond for some American
beer.
You all over there can take the big iron into Louisville KY and we won't
hold it against you. ;o)
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
Jeff,
Looks good to me. Let's get Steve to get it in the flier and I'll get it on
Europas site.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <mailto:topglock@cox.net> B
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
Fine by us...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 1/31/2011 11:04 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I had a moment so I thought this year it might be good try and get the
> weekend booked before we're out of options like last. Although we all
> know booking it last year two weeks after Labor Day weekend worked
> rather well for the weather gods. Anyway if all are willing I would be
> glad to try and get this booked the weekend of September 9th & 10th.
> Thats the 1st weekend after Labor Day weekend.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
>
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| Subject: | 2011 Rough River |
I have been to one RR fly in from the UK. It was two years ago when the
weather was not too good and hence not any Europas. I would love to come
again but it has to fit in with our winter migration to Florida and that
means a couple of weeks later than currently proposed. RR is just a bit too
far to come for just a weekend as a separate trip.
Pete Jeffers
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS
Sent: 02 February 2011 14:53
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
Roger that Steve. I'll keep that in mind. You may ask around that if our RR
fly-in was on a different date... would that encourage some to come over and
if so how many. We would love to get some of you chaps over here.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Steven Pitt wrote:
Jeff,
Good to see your forward planning. I am sure there are many from this side
of the Atlantic who would love to visit. The only point I would make at this
stage is that the 9/10/11th September is also the Texel Dutch Light Aircraft
flyin in North Holland.
Don't let that change your plans but this forward thinking is good to allow
people to make their choices in good time.
The committee of the club is working on the flying programme and will advise
every one of dates as soon as possible.
See you at Sun'n'Fun.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: JEFF ROBERTS <mailto:Jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
Bud & All,
I will go for the booking so you can get in in front of all the flyers. This
year I think we can increase the birds in attendance big time. Maybe even
get some of the far away lads to come across the pond for some American
beer.
You all over there can take the big iron into Louisville KY and we won't
hold it against you. ;o)
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
Jeff,
Looks good to me. Let's get Steve to get it in the flier and I'll get it on
Europas site.
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <mailto:topglock@cox.net> B
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River
Fine by us...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 1/31/2011 11:04 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I had a moment so I thought this year it might be good try and get the
> weekend booked before we're out of options like last. Although we all
> know booking it last year two weeks after Labor Day weekend worked
> rather well for the weather gods. Anyway if all are willing I would be
> glad to try and get this booked the weekend of September 9th & 10th.
> Thats the 1st weekend after Labor Day weekend.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap |
Thanks for the confirmation Brian.
Thanks Rob for the circuit diagram and drawing. That looks like a good mod which
I may be interested in doing.
Phil
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| Subject: | painting a plated engine mount frame |
my FWFD kit from europa as well as other manufactured parts that have arrived recently
are plated with cadmium or something similar- bits like the engine mount
frame. Can anyone tell me if I should paint these and if so, is it ok to use
the normal aircraft metal etch primer. I would then add the normal two pack
poly paints.
ALSO, I am still not clear whether it would be a good idea to coat the firewall
GRP with sticky backed foil/insulation or foil of somekind, I have seen something
like this in some of the pictures.
Help appreciated.
--------
Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Re: Electric Flap |
Another possibility is the FPS from Aircraft extra's, You can adjust it for
up to 5 increments of your choice and with a potentiometer on the flap motor
to drive a LED display,
Ivor
http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm
On 2 February 2011 15:22, Rob Housman <rob@hyperion-ef.com> wrote:
> I also found the standard electric flap system lacking so I designed and
> built this simple modification. The attachment shows the mechanical and
> electrical components and circuitry that allow a momentary contact switch
> to
> get the flaps moving and stop at the next position going either direction.
> A "traffic light" on the panel shows red for "full" orange at "half" and
> green for "in motion."
>
> Since I am not yet flying I can't confirm that the notches in the rod are
> located precisely for half flaps but from static tests they are about
> right.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
> Irvine, California
> Europa XS
> Rotax 914
> S/N A070
> Airframe complete
> Avionics soon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:57 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore
> the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system
> fitted to the tri-gear.
>
> I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical
> mono
> flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap
> and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system.
> The electric flap mod is interesting though.
>
> My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and
> then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap
> switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system
> 'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to
> half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap?
>
> If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that
> the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are
> operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct
> angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent.
>
> Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick
> than I think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329282#329282
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wanted europa trigear |
Herve,
on afors.com is a very nice one:
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=18196
Good luck!
Roland
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| Subject: | Re: painting a plated engine mount frame |
Just an opinion,
The aircraft with the anodized frames are holding up very well without
paint. Nose gears and mounting frames are doing well also.
I personally would not paint the frame. Use ACP 50 or similar
anticorrosion coatings on your annual inspections and it is fine.
Inspections are a breeze as you don't have to inspect every crack in the
paint for problems.
Please note the the pros of painting are it is easy to clean and
brightens up that dark hole. Follow the paint manufacturers prep
instructions. Powder coating is good on steel, but powder coating of
aluminum should be monitored as the temper of components made from
aluminum could be compromised if excessive heat is used in the process.
Whether you paint or not, do not use metal clamps or zip ties directly
on the frames as that will cause wear of the protective coatings and
start corrosion.
Please use WDG (aka Adel )clamps or other rubber coated tight fitting
clamps to prevent paint/anodizing wear and eventual corrosion. If you
must use a wire tie strap or zip tie, please use rubber tubing or
similar as a cushion mount. Just slit and place your short piece of
hose over the frame tubing and then attach the zip tie around the hose
as the mount. Then use another zip tie to hold the component or wire
snugly to the mount... Do not allow components to rub up against the
engine frame or gear frame as unchecked, corrosion can cause eventual
corrosion or structural problems and costly repairs.
I even use stainless steel straps Reduxed on the gear frame for mounting
the nose gear springs to prevent eventual wear. I am told they have
homes for people like me. But it works.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Europa Technical Assistance.
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/>
(813) 653-4989
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From: graeme bird<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Europa-List: painting a plated engine mount frame
<graeme@gdbmk.co.uk<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>>
my FWFD kit from europa as well as other manufactured parts that have
arrived recently are plated with cadmium or something similar- bits like
the engine mount frame. Can anyone tell me if I should paint these and
if so, is it ok to use the normal aircraft metal etch primer. I would
then add the normal two pack poly paints.
ALSO, I am still not clear whether it would be a good idea to coat the
firewall GRP with sticky backed foil/insulation or foil of somekind, I
have seen something like this in some of the pictures.
Help appreciated.
--------
Graeme Bird
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| Subject: | Re: wanted europa trigear |
Herve,
if you wont buy this one Iwill [Wink]
Juergen
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