---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/02/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 AM - Electric Flap (flyingphil2) 2. 03:19 AM - Re: Electric Flap (Brian Davies) 3. 06:57 AM - Re: 2011 Rough River (JEFF ROBERTS) 4. 07:29 AM - Re: Electric Flap (Rob Housman) 5. 07:29 AM - Re: 2011 Rough River (Peter Jeffers) 6. 07:43 AM - Re: 2011 Rough River (Peter Jeffers) 7. 09:54 AM - Re: Electric Flap (flyingphil2) 8. 10:26 AM - painting a plated engine mount frame (graeme bird) 9. 11:44 AM - Re: Electric Flap (PHILLIPS I) 10. 01:54 PM - Re: wanted europa trigear (Roland) 11. 04:11 PM - Re: painting a plated engine mount frame (Bud Yerly) 12. 11:29 PM - Re: wanted europa trigear (europapa) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap From: "flyingphil2" Hi, I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system fitted to the tri-gear. I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical mono flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system. The electric flap mod is interesting though. My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system 'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap? If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent. Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick than I think? Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329282#329282 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:37 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Flap Hi Phil, Nothing clever about the electrical system. It is just a rocker switch and visual check for position. Regards Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: 02 February 2011 10:57 Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Hi, I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system fitted to the tri-gear. I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical mono flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system. The electric flap mod is interesting though. My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system 'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap? If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent. Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick than I think? Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329282#329282 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:05 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Roger that Steve. I'll keep that in mind. You may ask around that if our RR fly-in was on a different date... would that encourage some to come over and if so how many. We would love to get some of you chaps over here. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: > Jeff, > Good to see your forward planning. I am sure there are many from this side of the Atlantic who would love to visit. The only point I would make at this stage is that the 9/10/11th September is also the Texel Dutch Light Aircraft flyin in North Holland. > Don't let that change your plans but this forward thinking is good to allow people to make their choices in good time. > The committee of the club is working on the flying programme and will advise every one of dates as soon as possible. > See you at Sun'n'Fun. > Steve Pitt > G-SMDH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JEFF ROBERTS > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River > > Bud & All, > I will go for the booking so you can get in in front of all the flyers. This year I think we can increase the birds in attendance big time. Maybe even get some of the far away lads to come across the pond for some American beer. > > You all over there can take the big iron into Louisville KY and we won't hold it against you. ;o) > > Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush > > > > > > > > > On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > >> Jeff, >> Looks good to me. Let's get Steve to get it in the flier and I'll get it on Europas site. >> Bud >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jeff B >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:09 PM >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River >> >> >> Fine by us... >> >> Jeff - Baby Blue >> >> On 1/31/2011 11:04 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: >> > >> > Hi All, >> > I had a moment so I thought this year it might be good try and get the >> > weekend booked before we're out of options like last. Although we all >> > know booking it last year two weeks after Labor Day weekend worked >> > rather well for the weather gods. Anyway if all are willing I would be >> > glad to try and get this booked the weekend of September 9th & 10th. >> > Thats the 1st weekend after Labor Day weekend. >> > >> > Any thoughts? >> > >> > Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> &Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c= =============== >> >> >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution >> >> > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:15 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Electric Flap I also found the standard electric flap system lacking so I designed and built this simple modification. The attachment shows the mechanical and electrical components and circuitry that allow a momentary contact switch to get the flaps moving and stop at the next position going either direction. A "traffic light" on the panel shows red for "full" orange at "half" and green for "in motion." Since I am not yet flying I can't confirm that the notches in the rod are located precisely for half flaps but from static tests they are about right. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:57 AM Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap Hi, I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system fitted to the tri-gear. I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical mono flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system. The electric flap mod is interesting though. My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system 'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap? If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent. Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick than I think? Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329282#329282 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:34 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River test _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Sent: 02 February 2011 14:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Roger that Steve. I'll keep that in mind. You may ask around that if our RR fly-in was on a different date... would that encourage some to come over and if so how many. We would love to get some of you chaps over here. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: Jeff, Good to see your forward planning. I am sure there are many from this side of the Atlantic who would love to visit. The only point I would make at this stage is that the 9/10/11th September is also the Texel Dutch Light Aircraft flyin in North Holland. Don't let that change your plans but this forward thinking is good to allow people to make their choices in good time. The committee of the club is working on the flying programme and will advise every one of dates as soon as possible. See you at Sun'n'Fun. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: JEFF ROBERTS Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Bud & All, I will go for the booking so you can get in in front of all the flyers. This year I think we can increase the birds in attendance big time. Maybe even get some of the far away lads to come across the pond for some American beer. You all over there can take the big iron into Louisville KY and we won't hold it against you. ;o) Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: Jeff, Looks good to me. Let's get Steve to get it in the flier and I'll get it on Europas site. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff B Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Fine by us... Jeff - Baby Blue On 1/31/2011 11:04 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > > Hi All, > I had a moment so I thought this year it might be good try and get the > weekend booked before we're out of options like last. Although we all > know booking it last year two weeks after Labor Day weekend worked > rather well for the weather gods. Anyway if all are willing I would be > glad to try and get this booked the weekend of September 9th & 10th. > Thats the 1st weekend after Labor Day weekend. > > Any thoughts? > > Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush > > &Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:19 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River I have been to one RR fly in from the UK. It was two years ago when the weather was not too good and hence not any Europas. I would love to come again but it has to fit in with our winter migration to Florida and that means a couple of weeks later than currently proposed. RR is just a bit too far to come for just a weekend as a separate trip. Pete Jeffers _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JEFF ROBERTS Sent: 02 February 2011 14:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Roger that Steve. I'll keep that in mind. You may ask around that if our RR fly-in was on a different date... would that encourage some to come over and if so how many. We would love to get some of you chaps over here. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Steven Pitt wrote: Jeff, Good to see your forward planning. I am sure there are many from this side of the Atlantic who would love to visit. The only point I would make at this stage is that the 9/10/11th September is also the Texel Dutch Light Aircraft flyin in North Holland. Don't let that change your plans but this forward thinking is good to allow people to make their choices in good time. The committee of the club is working on the flying programme and will advise every one of dates as soon as possible. See you at Sun'n'Fun. Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: JEFF ROBERTS Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:59 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Bud & All, I will go for the booking so you can get in in front of all the flyers. This year I think we can increase the birds in attendance big time. Maybe even get some of the far away lads to come across the pond for some American beer. You all over there can take the big iron into Louisville KY and we won't hold it against you. ;o) Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On Feb 1, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: Jeff, Looks good to me. Let's get Steve to get it in the flier and I'll get it on Europas site. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff B Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 2011 Rough River Fine by us... Jeff - Baby Blue On 1/31/2011 11:04 PM, JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > > Hi All, > I had a moment so I thought this year it might be good try and get the > weekend booked before we're out of options like last. Although we all > know booking it last year two weeks after Labor Day weekend worked > rather well for the weather gods. Anyway if all are willing I would be > glad to try and get this booked the weekend of September 9th & 10th. > Thats the 1st weekend after Labor Day weekend. > > Any thoughts? > > Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush > > &Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:23 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electric Flap From: "flyingphil2" Thanks for the confirmation Brian. Thanks Rob for the circuit diagram and drawing. That looks like a good mod which I may be interested in doing. Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329313#329313 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: painting a plated engine mount frame From: "graeme bird" my FWFD kit from europa as well as other manufactured parts that have arrived recently are plated with cadmium or something similar- bits like the engine mount frame. Can anyone tell me if I should paint these and if so, is it ok to use the normal aircraft metal etch primer. I would then add the normal two pack poly paints. ALSO, I am still not clear whether it would be a good idea to coat the firewall GRP with sticky backed foil/insulation or foil of somekind, I have seen something like this in some of the pictures. Help appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329318#329318 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric Flap From: PHILLIPS I Another possibility is the FPS from Aircraft extra's, You can adjust it for up to 5 increments of your choice and with a potentiometer on the flap motor to drive a LED display, Ivor http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm On 2 February 2011 15:22, Rob Housman wrote: > I also found the standard electric flap system lacking so I designed and > built this simple modification. The attachment shows the mechanical and > electrical components and circuitry that allow a momentary contact switch > to > get the flaps moving and stop at the next position going either direction. > A "traffic light" on the panel shows red for "full" orange at "half" and > green for "in motion." > > Since I am not yet flying I can't confirm that the notches in the rod are > located precisely for half flaps but from static tests they are about > right. > > > Best regards, > > Rob Housman > Irvine, California > Europa XS > Rotax 914 > S/N A070 > Airframe complete > Avionics soon > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:57 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Electric Flap > > > Hi, > > I've been wondering about the electric flap mod for a taildragger. Ignore > the 'taildragger' bit in this case as it's actually the standard system > fitted to the tri-gear. > > I like the simplicity (and have all the parts) to modify the mechanical > mono > flap system and then just have 2 indents on the flap arm guide (half flap > and full flap). This to me is a cheap, lightweight and fail safe system. > The electric flap mod is interesting though. > > My question is: Do you operate the rocker switch for flaps up or down and > then look at the markings on the flap and then stop operating the flap > switch when the flap is 'about in the right position'. Or, is the system > 'Cessna style' where you hit the switch and wait while the flap moves to > half flap and then hit the switch again if you want full flap? > > If the system is of the former description above then I kind of think that > the electric flap is just another distraction in the circuit if you are > operating the swicth and looking out to see when it's reached the correct > angle versus just moving the mono handle to the correct indent. > > Have I understood the electric flap system correctly or is it more slick > than I think? > > Thanks, > > Phil > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329282#329282 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:54 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: wanted europa trigear From: "Roland" Herve, on afors.com is a very nice one: http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=18196 Good luck! Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329340#329340 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:26 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: painting a plated engine mount frame Just an opinion, The aircraft with the anodized frames are holding up very well without paint. Nose gears and mounting frames are doing well also. I personally would not paint the frame. Use ACP 50 or similar anticorrosion coatings on your annual inspections and it is fine. Inspections are a breeze as you don't have to inspect every crack in the paint for problems. Please note the the pros of painting are it is easy to clean and brightens up that dark hole. Follow the paint manufacturers prep instructions. Powder coating is good on steel, but powder coating of aluminum should be monitored as the temper of components made from aluminum could be compromised if excessive heat is used in the process. Whether you paint or not, do not use metal clamps or zip ties directly on the frames as that will cause wear of the protective coatings and start corrosion. Please use WDG (aka Adel )clamps or other rubber coated tight fitting clamps to prevent paint/anodizing wear and eventual corrosion. If you must use a wire tie strap or zip tie, please use rubber tubing or similar as a cushion mount. Just slit and place your short piece of hose over the frame tubing and then attach the zip tie around the hose as the mount. Then use another zip tie to hold the component or wire snugly to the mount... Do not allow components to rub up against the engine frame or gear frame as unchecked, corrosion can cause eventual corrosion or structural problems and costly repairs. I even use stainless steel straps Reduxed on the gear frame for mounting the nose gear springs to prevent eventual wear. I am told they have homes for people like me. But it works. Regards, Bud Yerly Europa Technical Assistance. Custom Flight Creations, Inc. www.customflightcreations.com (813) 653-4989 ----- Original Message ----- From: graeme bird To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Europa-List: painting a plated engine mount frame > my FWFD kit from europa as well as other manufactured parts that have arrived recently are plated with cadmium or something similar- bits like the engine mount frame. Can anyone tell me if I should paint these and if so, is it ok to use the normal aircraft metal etch primer. I would then add the normal two pack poly paints. ALSO, I am still not clear whether it would be a good idea to coat the firewall GRP with sticky backed foil/insulation or foil of somekind, I have seen something like this in some of the pictures. Help appreciated. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329318#329318 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: wanted europa trigear From: "europapa" Herve, if you wont buy this one Iwill [Wink] Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329424#329424 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.