---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/06/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Some Trigear dimensions (Roland) 2. 02:46 AM - Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Peter Jeffers) 3. 05:13 AM - Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Roland) 4. 06:28 AM - SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 5. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Peter Jeffers) 6. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Peter Jeffers) 7. 10:09 AM - Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Richard Collings) 8. 10:36 AM - SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Roland) 9. 10:45 AM - Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Roland) 10. 10:54 AM - Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Roland) 11. 11:57 AM - SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 12. 12:42 PM - SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Roland) 13. 02:04 PM - SV: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 14. 04:48 PM - Re: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Karl Heindl) 15. 10:29 PM - Re: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions (Michel AUVRAY) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Some Trigear dimensions From: "Roland" Hi all, I bought a trailer which I have to adapt for the Trigear (XS, Airmaster-prop). The trailer-company asked me for the hight of the cabin/door-top (no Hightop-version) and the outer width of the main undercarriage. I sent an e-mail to the Europa-company already who didn't reply yet. Since the plane I bought is still in England, waiting for me to pick it up in the trailer, I would really appreciate, if anyone could give me the figures I need (someone who don't have to drive 1000 kilometres to his plane). Thanks in advance! Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329825#329825 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:11 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Some Trigear dimensions Hi Roland, My Trigear is every bit of 1000 mm from my kitchen table so it did not take long to measure it. OK U/C width including spats comes to 1.97 Mtr (8cm less without spats). Height to highest point of cabin door 1.53 Mtr. WARNING Not all Europas are identical so allow for a bit of variability. Hope this helps Pete _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 06 February 2011 10:00 Subject: Europa-List: Some Trigear dimensions Hi all, I bought a trailer which I have to adapt for the Trigear (XS, Airmaster-prop). The trailer-company asked me for the hight of the cabin/door-top (no Hightop-version) and the outer width of the main undercarriage. I sent an e-mail to the Europa-company already who didn't reply yet. Since the plane I bought is still in England, waiting for me to pick it up in the trailer, I would really appreciate, if anyone could give me the figures I need (someone who don't have to drive 1000 kilometres to his plane). Thanks in advance! Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329825#329825 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:48 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions From: "Roland" Pete, of course your rapid answer in metric figures helps-thank you! - also for the useful hint about the variability. The trailer was originally built for a Fascination with a (retractable) U/C-width of only 1,68 m - the guy of the trailer-company said, that U/C width of up to 2,05 metres should be no problem to adapt. I have to remove the spades anyway for fixing the aircraft on the trailer. I'm curious if it's practicable to mount them before each flight - but their abstinence should not cost more than five knots. Good to know about such a support in the forum - confirms my decision to buy a Europa and become part of the "Europa-family". Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329830#329830 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:20 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Roland, Removing and re-fitting the spats is done in a matter of a few minutes only. Good to have them off to check tyre pressure, to. You may have figured out how to fix the aircraft to your trailer, but in case it may be of any interest, attached is a sketch of how I did it (I have a covered trailer which I used before I got hangar space at the local airport). The "things" (I don't know what to call them in English - nor in Norwegian, for that matter!) are made of thick fiber glass mat and epoxy. I used the tyres as male molds, just make sure you cover it all well with plastic bags, and don't bring the lay-up further in toward the wheel center than to the thickest part of the tyre, to be certain you get the "thing" off again when cured. I pulled the two wheels up against chocks permanently fitted to the trailer floor, with tight-fitting longitudinal wood pieces bolted to the floor for lining up the wheels. The holes for the 2 pairs of bolts on each side are then also lined up. The winch used for pulling the aircraft up on the trailer is mounted on the trailer floor just in front of where the nose wheel stops. By keeping the wire tight also during towing of the trailer, the aircraft nose does not bounce up and down. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ Oslo-Norway ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:58 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Re Spats and fitting before each flight. Not impossible but I suspect the novelty may wear off. It would take almost as long as rigging the aircraft itself. Fitting spats and flap arm fairings gives about 8 kts on max speed. Pete _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 06 February 2011 13:11 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Pete, of course your rapid answer in metric figures helps-thank you! - also for the useful hint about the variability. The trailer was originally built for a Fascination with a (retractable) U/C-width of only 1,68 m - the guy of the trailer-company said, that U/C width of up to 2,05 metres should be no problem to adapt. I have to remove the spades anyway for fixing the aircraft on the trailer. I'm curious if it's practicable to mount them before each flight - but their abstinence should not cost more than five knots. Good to know about such a support in the forum - confirms my decision to buy a Europa and become part of the "Europa-family". Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329830#329830 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:58 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Roland, I, as most other Europa owners, are always pleased to try to help our fellow owners. It is good to have you on the list. Out of interest where are you? Pete _____ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:09:40 AM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Some Trigear dimensions Hi I have just bought an open trailer which suits an XS trigear and I have been drawing up plans to make it covered. the height of the fin above ground is aprox 2100mm and to top of cabin door [high top] 1600 but as it is a trigear when loading [in my case backwards] the fin moves up 600mm during the initial move up the ramps! Have not worked that bit out yet. If you are stuck and want to fetch your plane you are welcome to borrow it as an open trailer, but be quick as I will start to modify it soon. Regards Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland" Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 10:00 AM Subject: Europa-List: Some Trigear dimensions > > Hi all, > > I bought a trailer which I have to adapt for the Trigear (XS, > Airmaster-prop). The trailer-company asked me for the hight of the > cabin/door-top (no Hightop-version) and the outer width of the main > undercarriage. I sent an e-mail to the Europa-company already who didn't > reply yet. > > Since the plane I bought is still in England, waiting for me to pick it up > in the trailer, I would really appreciate, if anyone could give me the > figures I need (someone who don't have to drive 1000 kilometres to his > plane). > > Thanks in advance! > > Roland > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329825#329825 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions From: "Roland" Svein, thanks for those (interesting) ideas of fixing the aircraft. I also have a covered trailer (Anschau), on which the plane is winched up the other way around. The previous owner attached two bolts on both sides of the Fascination somewhere in the wing area, which were fitted very tight in a 90-angle, so that they couldn't become loose when pulled tight. I have no idea yet, at which point to hoist the Europa without damaging something (maybe I can make something similar to the Fascination - any ideas welcome). Regards Roland G-BZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329869#329869 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions From: "Roland" Pete, thanks again for your help! My homebase will be Essen-Mlheim/Germany (EDLE). Roland G-BZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329871#329871 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Some Trigear dimensions From: "Roland" Richard, thanks for your generous offer to borrow me your trailer! I hope to have my trailer adapted within a few weeks. Of great interest for me is the hoist point for winching up the plane. Thank you! Roland G-BZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329873#329873 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:08 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Roland, I should perhaps have added why I fixed the aircraft by the two main wheels: The wheels and wheel legs are designed to take substantial forces in any direction (I would expect strong enough also to hold the aircraft inverted). It therefore seemed logical to use these easily accessible strong-points, and not risking any consequences of introducing new points into the fuselage. My "things" (clamps?) are also very strong, although I have only applied "eyeball engineering techniques" in the inception and manufacturing stages. Just add another layer of heavy glass fibre mat - - -. As I pulled my aircraft in nose-first, I used a strong baggage web strap around the nose gear, and hooked the electric winch wire to this. Since you are pulling your aircraft tail-first: Do you have a well-bedded tie-down point under the tail somewhere, that can be used? Regards, Svein ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:10 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions From: "Roland" Svein, comprehensible reasons for choosing the main-undercarriage. I will suggest the trailer-company to check this variant, although they also use some kind of clamps. Since the G-BZTI doesn't have a tie down hook at its tail, pulling the plane in front first might be a good option and since the trailer has to be adapted anyway, "changing the direction" might also be possible. Another advantage would be, that the tail fin doesn't come up, when entering the trailer on the ramps. Very useful ideas - thank you. Roland G-BZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329879#329879 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:23 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Roland, My pleasure - good luck! Regards, Svein Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:57 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Roland=2C I installed stainless steel eye bolts in the fuselage right behind the top of the legs. Installation is very simple=2C i.e. an 8mm hole which also goe s through the steel plate which is embedded in the layups. Then in the bagg age compartment I placed a large washer and locknut over the bolt to make i t very secure. Before winching the aircraft onto the trailer I tie a rope o r whatever between the two eyes (they are circular not an open hook)=2C and attach the winch cable to it. I have used it many times without any sign o f wear.I also use them as additional tiedown points=2C as well as the wheel s without the spats.I vaguely remember Neville suggesting something like th at a long time ago. Cheers=2C Karl > Subject: Europa-List: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions > From: schmidtroland@web.de > Date: Sun=2C 6 Feb 2011 12:39:35 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Svein=2C > > comprehensible reasons for choosing the main-undercarriage. I will sugges t the trailer-company to check this variant=2C although they also use some kind of clamps. > > Since the G-BZTI doesn't have a tie down hook at its tail=2C pulling the plane in front first might be a good option and since the trailer has to be adapted anyway=2C "changing the direction" might also be possible. Another advantage would be=2C that the tail fin doesn't come up=2C when entering t he trailer on the ramps. > > Very useful ideas - thank you. > > Roland > G-BZTI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329879#329879 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:56 PM PST US From: Michel AUVRAY Subject: Re: Europa-List: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions Le 07/02/2011 01:45, Karl Heindl a crit : > Roland, > > I installed stainless steel eye bolts in the fuselage right behind the > top of the legs. Installation is very simple, i.e. an 8mm hole which > also goes through the steel plate which is embedded in the layups. > Then in the baggage compartment I placed a large washer and locknut > over the bolt to make it very secure. Before winching the aircraft > onto the trailer I tie a rope or whatever between the two eyes (they > are circular not an open hook), and attach the winch cable to it. I > have used it many times without any sign of wear. > I also use them as additional tiedown points, as well as the wheels > without the spats. > I vaguely remember Neville suggesting something like that a long time ago. > > Cheers, > > Karl > > > > Subject: Europa-List: SV: SV: Re: Some Trigear dimensions > > From: schmidtroland@web.de > > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 12:39:35 -0800 > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Svein, > > > > comprehensible reasons for choosing the main-undercarriage. I will > suggest the trailer-company to check this variant, although they also > use some kind of clamps. > > > > Since the G-BZTI doesn't have a tie down hook at its tail, pulling > the plane in front first might be a good option and since the trailer > has to be adapted anyway, "changing the direction" might also be > possible. Another advantage would be, that the tail fin doesn't come > up, when entering the trailer on the ramps. > > > > Very useful ideas - thank you. > > > > Roland > > G-BZTI > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329879#329879 > > > > > > > > > >====================== > &g=============== > > > > > > > * > > > * Hi Karl, Do you have pictures of it? 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