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1. 02:46 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel disk brake (Nigel Graham)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel disk brake (Nigel Graham)
3. 10:50 AM - Rough Attendance Report #2 (JEFF ROBERTS)
4. 12:39 PM - Re: Rough Attendance Report #2 (Peter Timm)
5. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Monowheel disk brake (Bud Yerly)
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel disk brake |
Remi,
I have been watching this thread with interest.
To answer some of your questions, automotive discs tend to be made out
of cast iron, these have significantly different wear (and friction)
characteristics to steel. Steel tends to "gall" on contact, whereas cast
iron forms a powder. Cast iron is a far better brake material, but for
weight and production cost reasons, Europa couldn't (chose not to) use it.
I chose to modify my standard disc to lighten it, provide better water
drainage and to improve the wear characteristics by having it hard
chromed (as Graham suggested in his response). I have attached a photo FYI.
With kind regards
Nigel
On 09/02/2011 17:30, Remi Guerner wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Remi Guerner"<air.guerner@orange.fr>
>
> Thank you Brian, this is good advice. I will try it. However I am wondering why
on my car the pads and the disks last thousands times more without having to
bother with conditioning! I really think there is compatibility problem between
the Europa disk material and the (non asbestos) metallic lining.
> Regards
> Remi
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330300#330300
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel disk brake |
Remi,
I have been watching this thread with interest.
To answer some of your questions, automotive discs tend to be made out
of cast iron, these have significantly different wear (and friction)
characteristics to steel. Steel tends to "gall" on contact, whereas cast
iron forms a powder. Cast iron is a far better brake material, but for
weight and production cost reasons, Europa couldn't (chose not to) use it.
I chose to modify my standard disc to lighten it, provide better water
drainage and to improve the wear characteristics by having it hard
chromed (as Graham suggested in his response). I have attached a photo FYI.
With kind regards
Nigel
Modified Mono Disc
On 09/02/2011 17:30, Remi Guerner wrote:
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Remi Guerner"<air.guerner@orange.fr>
>
> Thank you Brian, this is good advice. I will try it. However I am wondering why
on my car the pads and the disks last thousands times more without having to
bother with conditioning! I really think there is compatibility problem between
the Europa disk material and the (non asbestos) metallic lining.
> Regards
> Remi
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330300#330300
>
>
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| Subject: | Rough Attendance Report #2 |
Rough River Attendance Report for September 3rd & 4th.
: http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
Bob & Maureen Borger... Flying Dragon Lady N914XL in from Corinth TX
Jim & Lynne Puglise... Doing his best to fly N283JL Jabiru up from Punta
Gorda FL.
Jeff & Mary Behrens... Flying Baby Blue in from Baton Rough LA
Jeff & Karen Roberts... Flying Gold Rush in from Nashville Tennessee.
Gary & Susan Leinberger... Flying in the Mooney 3619N from Lancaster PA.
Fred Klein... Flying the Big Iron, for now from Orcas Island Washington
ST.
Troy & Donna Maynor... Flying Little Grace N120EU in from Weaverville
NC.
Paul & Jenny McAllister... Flying in Mono N378PJ AKA Blinky from KUES
Wisconsin.
Jim & Heather Butcher... Flying N241BW from Kalamazoo, MI.
Bud Yearly ... Flying his Trigear up from Plant City FL. With a
different prop...?
HI all,
If you see anything on the list that needs correcting please let me know
off list and I'll take care of it. If you're not on the list please let
me know the info needed and we'll get you on. If you haven't made plans
to be there yet well... Lets get to it! ;o) Rough River is one of the
nicest state parks in the USA that has a runway. This is Labor day
weekend folks. Rooms & Cabins are not going to last. Oh well... remember
you can bring a tent at last resort. I have placed an order for nice
weather and will continue to do so till the event. However should we be
tested and not get it... no problem. After all it's the people getting
together once a year that mostly makes this event so special. Make your
plans to be there either way. You west cost guys & gals. Having you
there last year made a big difference. You showed the Europa is the best
touring, economy, speedy, and great looking / sexy plane out there.
Wanna come back over to play again this year?
JR.
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| Subject: | Re: Rough Attendance Report #2 |
Hi Jeff,
My wife Christine and I are planning to attend in our Classic Europa
C-GIET from our base at Pemberton, B.C.
Please inform me as to who I should contact re. cabin reservation. We
may want to stay for an extra day or two.
Thanks,
Peter Timm
From: JEFF ROBERTS
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Rough Attendance Report #2
Rough River Attendance Report for September 3rd & 4th.
: http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
Bob & Maureen Borger... Flying Dragon Lady N914XL in from Corinth TX
Jim & Lynne Puglise... Doing his best to fly N283JL Jabiru up from Punta
Gorda FL.
Jeff & Mary Behrens... Flying Baby Blue in from Baton Rough LA
Jeff & Karen Roberts... Flying Gold Rush in from Nashville Tennessee.
Gary & Susan Leinberger... Flying in the Mooney 3619N from Lancaster PA.
Fred Klein... Flying the Big Iron, for now from Orcas Island Washington
ST.
Troy & Donna Maynor... Flying Little Grace N120EU in from Weaverville
NC.
Paul & Jenny McAllister... Flying in Mono N378PJ AKA Blinky from KUES
Wisconsin.
Jim & Heather Butcher... Flying N241BW from Kalamazoo, MI.
Bud Yearly ... Flying his Trigear up from Plant City FL. With a
different prop...?
HI all,
If you see anything on the list that needs correcting please let me know
off list and I'll take care of it. If you're not on the list please let
me know the info needed and we'll get you on. If you haven't made plans
to be there yet well... Lets get to it! ;o) Rough River is one of the
nicest state parks in the USA that has a runway. This is Labor day
weekend folks. Rooms & Cabins are not going to last. Oh well... remember
you can bring a tent at last resort. I have placed an order for nice
weather and will continue to do so till the event. However should we be
tested and not get it... no problem. After all it's the people getting
together once a year that mostly makes this event so special. Make your
plans to be there either way. You west cost guys & gals. Having you
there last year made a big difference. You showed the Europa is the best
touring, economy, speedy, and great looking / sexy plane out there.
Wanna come back over to play again this year?
JR.
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel disk brake |
Brian,
Thanks for your insight. I have found out, the hard way, on a wheel
replacement, when I thought I was sure that the anodizing of the new
disk galled up the pad on the replacement wheel. I removed the wheel,
sanded the disk with 80 grit and 220 grit using a DA sander, cleaned
(sanded) the pads and used brake cleaner to clean both disk and pads. I
retried a hard brake burn in with no more directional problems. Result
of the cleanups autopsy showed my own failure to burn in the new brake,
I only did light braking, and the anodizing and residue compromised the
pad surface... It's all about the prep, or in my case lack of it.
I reviewed my errors and printed off the Matco tech advice in their
technical support section on brake care and techniques and now review it
religiously.
Best regards,
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Davies<mailto:bdavies@dircon.co.uk>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake
<bdavies@dircon.co.uk<mailto:bdavies@dircon.co.uk>>
You are partially correct. It is the pad material that makes some
braking
systems more critical. Racing cars and some aeroplanes seem to have
this
problem.
Brian
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tronics.com>
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi
Guerner
Sent: 09 February 2011 17:31
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake
--> <air.guerner@orange.fr<mailto:air.guerner@orange.fr>>
Thank you Brian, this is good advice. I will try it. However I am
wondering
why on my car the pads and the disks last thousands times more without
having to bother with conditioning! I really think there is
compatibility
problem between the Europa disk material and the (non asbestos)
metallic
lining.
Regards
Remi
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