---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/10/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:46 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel disk brake (Nigel Graham) 2. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel disk brake (Nigel Graham) 3. 10:50 AM - Rough Attendance Report #2 (JEFF ROBERTS) 4. 12:39 PM - Re: Rough Attendance Report #2 (Peter Timm) 5. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Monowheel disk brake (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:46:25 AM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake Remi, I have been watching this thread with interest. To answer some of your questions, automotive discs tend to be made out of cast iron, these have significantly different wear (and friction) characteristics to steel. Steel tends to "gall" on contact, whereas cast iron forms a powder. Cast iron is a far better brake material, but for weight and production cost reasons, Europa couldn't (chose not to) use it. I chose to modify my standard disc to lighten it, provide better water drainage and to improve the wear characteristics by having it hard chromed (as Graham suggested in his response). I have attached a photo FYI. With kind regards Nigel On 09/02/2011 17:30, Remi Guerner wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Remi Guerner" > > Thank you Brian, this is good advice. I will try it. However I am wondering why on my car the pads and the disks last thousands times more without having to bother with conditioning! I really think there is compatibility problem between the Europa disk material and the (non asbestos) metallic lining. > Regards > Remi > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330300#330300 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:05 AM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake Remi, I have been watching this thread with interest. To answer some of your questions, automotive discs tend to be made out of cast iron, these have significantly different wear (and friction) characteristics to steel. Steel tends to "gall" on contact, whereas cast iron forms a powder. Cast iron is a far better brake material, but for weight and production cost reasons, Europa couldn't (chose not to) use it. I chose to modify my standard disc to lighten it, provide better water drainage and to improve the wear characteristics by having it hard chromed (as Graham suggested in his response). I have attached a photo FYI. With kind regards Nigel Modified Mono Disc On 09/02/2011 17:30, Remi Guerner wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Remi Guerner" > > Thank you Brian, this is good advice. I will try it. However I am wondering why on my car the pads and the disks last thousands times more without having to bother with conditioning! I really think there is compatibility problem between the Europa disk material and the (non asbestos) metallic lining. > Regards > Remi > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330300#330300 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:19 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Europa-List: Rough Attendance Report #2 Rough River Attendance Report for September 3rd & 4th. : http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3 Bob & Maureen Borger... Flying Dragon Lady N914XL in from Corinth TX Jim & Lynne Puglise... Doing his best to fly N283JL Jabiru up from Punta Gorda FL. Jeff & Mary Behrens... Flying Baby Blue in from Baton Rough LA Jeff & Karen Roberts... Flying Gold Rush in from Nashville Tennessee. Gary & Susan Leinberger... Flying in the Mooney 3619N from Lancaster PA. Fred Klein... Flying the Big Iron, for now from Orcas Island Washington ST. Troy & Donna Maynor... Flying Little Grace N120EU in from Weaverville NC. Paul & Jenny McAllister... Flying in Mono N378PJ AKA Blinky from KUES Wisconsin. Jim & Heather Butcher... Flying N241BW from Kalamazoo, MI. Bud Yearly ... Flying his Trigear up from Plant City FL. With a different prop...? HI all, If you see anything on the list that needs correcting please let me know off list and I'll take care of it. If you're not on the list please let me know the info needed and we'll get you on. If you haven't made plans to be there yet well... Lets get to it! ;o) Rough River is one of the nicest state parks in the USA that has a runway. This is Labor day weekend folks. Rooms & Cabins are not going to last. Oh well... remember you can bring a tent at last resort. I have placed an order for nice weather and will continue to do so till the event. However should we be tested and not get it... no problem. After all it's the people getting together once a year that mostly makes this event so special. Make your plans to be there either way. You west cost guys & gals. Having you there last year made a big difference. You showed the Europa is the best touring, economy, speedy, and great looking / sexy plane out there. Wanna come back over to play again this year? JR. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:38 PM PST US From: "Peter Timm" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rough Attendance Report #2 Hi Jeff, My wife Christine and I are planning to attend in our Classic Europa C-GIET from our base at Pemberton, B.C. Please inform me as to who I should contact re. cabin reservation. We may want to stay for an extra day or two. Thanks, Peter Timm From: JEFF ROBERTS Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Europa-List: Rough Attendance Report #2 Rough River Attendance Report for September 3rd & 4th. : http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3 Bob & Maureen Borger... Flying Dragon Lady N914XL in from Corinth TX Jim & Lynne Puglise... Doing his best to fly N283JL Jabiru up from Punta Gorda FL. Jeff & Mary Behrens... Flying Baby Blue in from Baton Rough LA Jeff & Karen Roberts... Flying Gold Rush in from Nashville Tennessee. Gary & Susan Leinberger... Flying in the Mooney 3619N from Lancaster PA. Fred Klein... Flying the Big Iron, for now from Orcas Island Washington ST. Troy & Donna Maynor... Flying Little Grace N120EU in from Weaverville NC. Paul & Jenny McAllister... Flying in Mono N378PJ AKA Blinky from KUES Wisconsin. Jim & Heather Butcher... Flying N241BW from Kalamazoo, MI. Bud Yearly ... Flying his Trigear up from Plant City FL. With a different prop...? HI all, If you see anything on the list that needs correcting please let me know off list and I'll take care of it. If you're not on the list please let me know the info needed and we'll get you on. If you haven't made plans to be there yet well... Lets get to it! ;o) Rough River is one of the nicest state parks in the USA that has a runway. This is Labor day weekend folks. Rooms & Cabins are not going to last. Oh well... remember you can bring a tent at last resort. I have placed an order for nice weather and will continue to do so till the event. However should we be tested and not get it... no problem. After all it's the people getting together once a year that mostly makes this event so special. Make your plans to be there either way. You west cost guys & gals. Having you there last year made a big difference. You showed the Europa is the best touring, economy, speedy, and great looking / sexy plane out there. Wanna come back over to play again this year? JR. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:53 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake Brian, Thanks for your insight. I have found out, the hard way, on a wheel replacement, when I thought I was sure that the anodizing of the new disk galled up the pad on the replacement wheel. I removed the wheel, sanded the disk with 80 grit and 220 grit using a DA sander, cleaned (sanded) the pads and used brake cleaner to clean both disk and pads. I retried a hard brake burn in with no more directional problems. Result of the cleanups autopsy showed my own failure to burn in the new brake, I only did light braking, and the anodizing and residue compromised the pad surface... It's all about the prep, or in my case lack of it. I reviewed my errors and printed off the Matco tech advice in their technical support section on brake care and techniques and now review it religiously. Best regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Davies To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake > You are partially correct. It is the pad material that makes some braking systems more critical. Racing cars and some aeroplanes seem to have this problem. Brian -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: 09 February 2011 17:31 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel disk brake --> > Thank you Brian, this is good advice. I will try it. However I am wondering why on my car the pads and the disks last thousands times more without having to bother with conditioning! I really think there is compatibility problem between the Europa disk material and the (non asbestos) metallic lining. Regards Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=330300#330300 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.