---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/21/11: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Re: UK Europa share. (Alan Burrill) 2. 01:42 AM - Re: UK Europa share. (nigel henry) 3. 04:59 AM - rudder pedal pads and heel plate (graeme bird) 4. 05:01 AM - VSWR meter in Bucks UK (graeme bird) 5. 05:17 AM - Re: rudder pedal pads and heel plate (Kevin Challis) 6. 05:42 AM - Aileron play (Frans Veldman) 7. 05:42 AM - Re: VSWR meter in Bucks UK (John Heykoop) 8. 06:16 AM - Re: Aileron play (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 06:26 AM - Re: rudder pedal pads and heel plate (Steven Pitt) 10. 06:26 AM - Re: Aileron play (Kevin Klinefelter) 11. 06:36 AM - Re: rudder pedal pads and heel plate (Steven Pitt) 12. 06:53 AM - Re: Aileron play (Bob Harrison) 13. 06:53 AM - Re: rudder pedal pads and heel plate (Bob Harrison) 14. 07:29 AM - Re: VSWR meter in Bucks UK (Bill & Sue) 15. 07:35 AM - Re: radio (Bill & Sue) 16. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: radio (David Joyce) 17. 08:10 AM - Re: Aileron play (Frans Veldman) 18. 08:53 AM - Re: Aileron play (Trevor Pond) 19. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: radio (Trevor Pond) 20. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: radio (Richard Churchill-Coleman) 21. 09:23 AM - Re: radio (Bill & Sue) 22. 09:33 AM - Re: radio (Bill & Sue) 23. 09:54 AM - Re: VSWR meter in Bucks UK (graeme bird) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:43 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: UK Europa share. Sent from my iPad On 20 Feb 2011, at 22:00, "Carl Pattinson" wrote: > > Hi All, > > We are looking for someone who would be willing to help with the running > costs and maintenance of our flying Europa in exchange for almost unlimited > use of the aircraft. > > Due to my present job I have little time to fly the aircraft so it is > available most of the time. It's based at Bicester airfield in Oxfordshire > where there are virtually no restrictions on when you can fly. > > Nominal upfront cost (to keep the arrangement legal) and a portion of the > hangarage/ insurance/ maintenance costs. > > Would suit a builder (or anyone else) who wants to get their hands on a > flying Europa. Would also consider an outright sale (POA). > > It's a mono wheel so conversion training would be required (and a PPL). > > Please drop us a line if interested. > > Carl & Dot Pattinson. > G-LABS > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:46 AM PST US From: nigel henry Subject: RE: Europa-List: UK Europa share. Hi Carl I was interested shared expenses and maintained europa. I have just started revaladating my licence at ........ and have a Europa i n bits that I bought in 2006 I decided after 4 years and 2 month to return to flying so dragging the Eu ropa out of mothballs to be upgraded to a 914 and trigear It suffered a gr ound loop at Gloucester by it's previous owner I purchased it and sat on it since and now intend to repair it and fly it but that will take time. I live in Oxford and would be interested in chatting to you about your requ irements and options to see if we can agree on a format I have had a pfa /Laa aircraft before and maintained it myself being a Long ez but took it our of service in 2004 but have now decided to sell it=2C wings off. I have also been in a group flying an Air tourer out of Gloucester and have several types on my log book from Katannas robins Arrowto name a few. Nigel Henry > From: carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: UK Europa share. > Date: Sun=2C 20 Feb 2011 22:00:48 +0000 > e.co.uk> > > Hi All=2C > > We are looking for someone who would be willing to help with the running > costs and maintenance of our flying Europa in exchange for almost unlimit ed > use of the aircraft. > > Due to my present job I have little time to fly the aircraft so it is > available most of the time. It's based at Bicester airfield in Oxfordshir e > where there are virtually no restrictions on when you can fly. > > Nominal upfront cost (to keep the arrangement legal) and a portion of the > hangarage/ insurance/ maintenance costs. > > Would suit a builder (or anyone else) who wants to get their hands on a > flying Europa. Would also consider an outright sale (POA). > > It's a mono wheel so conversion training would be required (and a PPL). > > Please drop us a line if interested. > > Carl & Dot Pattinson. > G-LABS > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate From: "graeme bird" I have been looking for some pictures to show what I should do to make some rudder pedals - don't much like the pipe - too narrow, shall I just make some wood or aluminum blocks and self tap screw on. Also I think I have seen plates at the bottom for ones heels, is that the thing to do? Help appreciated -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331706#331706 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: VSWR meter in Bucks UK From: "graeme bird" Did any builder buy a VSWR meter for setting up the antenna that they would like to sell on or lend/rent out. If not I may buy one and and sell on myself. -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331707#331707 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate From: Kevin Challis Graeme I know what you mean looking at the standard rudder pedals. I thought the same but in use I have never had a problem. They are fine. Kevin On 21 Feb 2011, at 12:56, "graeme bird" wrote: > > I have been looking for some pictures to show what I should do to make some rudder pedals - don't much like the pipe - too narrow, shall I just make some wood or aluminum blocks and self tap screw on. Also I think I have seen plates at the bottom for ones heels, is that the thing to do? > > Help appreciated > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331706#331706 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:12 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Europa-List: Aileron play When we built the PH-DIY the aileron system was tight. But after 91 hours of flying and repeated (de)rigging, everything settled in, and some play developed at the quick connect system. There is no play within the wing itself, nor in the airplane, but it sounds like it really is at the mating surface of the two quick connect surfaces and the surface shows some wear. Does this sound normal? With the wing root fairing in place it is a bit awkward to make measurements and get a visual confirmation. My plan is to add another tufnol sheet on the bellcrank surface to see if that solves the problem. (There is no play on the bearings). Other ideas are welcome of course. Frans ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:13 AM PST US From: John Heykoop Subject: Re: Europa-List: VSWR meter in Bucks UK Graeme Members of the Europa Club can get a VSWR meter on loan from the Club. John Heykoop XS mono G-JHKP On 21 Feb 2011, at 12:59, "graeme bird" wrote: > > Did any builder buy a VSWR meter for setting up the antenna that they would like to sell on or lend/rent out. If not I may buy one and and sell on myself. > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331707#331707 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:33 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron play Frans=0Ayou could put small blobs of modeling clay (plasticine?) on the mat ing surfaces =0Arig the aircraft then derig and measure the depth of the bl obs. use clingfilm or =0Arelease wax on the matching surface=0AGraham=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Frans Veldman =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 21 February, 2011 13:23:57=0ASubject: Europa-List: Aileron play=0A=0A--> Europa-List mes sage posted by: Frans Veldman =0A=0AWhen we built t he PH-DIY the aileron system was tight. But after 91=0Ahours of flying and repeated (de)rigging, everything settled in, and=0Asome play developed at t he quick connect system.=0AThere is no play within the wing itself, nor in the airplane, but it=0Asounds like it really is at the mating surface of th e two quick connect=0Asurfaces and the surface shows some wear.=0ADoes this sound normal?=0AWith the wing root fairing in place it is a bit awkward to make=0Ameasurements and get a visual confirmation.=0AMy plan is to add ano ther tufnol sheet on the bellcrank surface to see=0Aif that solves the prob lem. (There is no play on the bearings).=0AOther ideas are welcome of cours ===================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:30 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate Graeme Sorry can't remember where you are based but I used two footplates produced by Ripspeed in the UK. They are lightweight aluminium and have ridges and holes for fitting to the pedals - non slip and ideal for the Europa. The only problem is you have to buy them in 3s as they are for cars. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: "graeme bird" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate > > I have been looking for some pictures to show what I should do to make > some rudder pedals - don't much like the pipe - too narrow, shall I just > make some wood or aluminum blocks and self tap screw on. Also I think I > have seen plates at the bottom for ones heels, is that the thing to do? > > Help appreciated > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331706#331706 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:32 AM PST US From: "Kevin Klinefelter" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron play Hi Frans, You can measure the space by derigging and putting a bit of modelling clay on one surface, then put it together and the clay will form the thickness you want to add in tufnol to the mating surface. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:23 AM Subject: Europa-List: Aileron play > > When we built the PH-DIY the aileron system was tight. But after 91 > hours of flying and repeated (de)rigging, everything settled in, and > some play developed at the quick connect system. > There is no play within the wing itself, nor in the airplane, but it > sounds like it really is at the mating surface of the two quick connect > surfaces and the surface shows some wear. > Does this sound normal? > With the wing root fairing in place it is a bit awkward to make > measurements and get a visual confirmation. > My plan is to add another tufnol sheet on the bellcrank surface to see > if that solves the problem. (There is no play on the bearings). > Other ideas are welcome of course. > > Frans > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:03 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate A picture tells a thousand words. Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "graeme bird" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate > > I have been looking for some pictures to show what I should do to make > some rudder pedals - don't much like the pipe - too narrow, shall I just > make some wood or aluminum blocks and self tap screw on. Also I think I > have seen plates at the bottom for ones heels, is that the thing to do? > > Help appreciated > > -------- > Graeme Bird > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331706#331706 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:34 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aileron play Hi!Frans. I get this problem. The very thin tufnol packing on the quick connect surfaces unfortunately won't take a double layer. I stripped off the original material mixed up some very thick redux and left both mating surfaces quite "proud" of finished thickness(using new tufnol) then fitted and pinned the wings into place allowing the redux to cure, ten parted it all to give perfectly flush mating surfaces and tidied up the finished product. You may still have a slight unwanted gap but I use a layer of self stick tape which will need replacing every 6 months. You must however wrap some "cling film" round each mating surface before pushing the wings in place to ensure any excess redux which squeezes out doesn't lock both surfaces together preventing the wings being parted. Once cured and parted it is possible to clean and trim it all up. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 21 February 2011 13:24 Subject: Europa-List: Aileron play When we built the PH-DIY the aileron system was tight. But after 91 hours of flying and repeated (de)rigging, everything settled in, and some play developed at the quick connect system. There is no play within the wing itself, nor in the airplane, but it sounds like it really is at the mating surface of the two quick connect surfaces and the surface shows some wear. Does this sound normal? With the wing root fairing in place it is a bit awkward to make measurements and get a visual confirmation. My plan is to add another tufnol sheet on the bellcrank surface to see if that solves the problem. (There is no play on the bearings). Other ideas are welcome of course. Frans ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:34 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate Hi! Graham. The rudder pedals (crude though they look) work just fine ....if it "ain't broke don't fix it" with more weight ! Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird Sent: 21 February 2011 12:57 Subject: Europa-List: rudder pedal pads and heel plate I have been looking for some pictures to show what I should do to make some rudder pedals - don't much like the pipe - too narrow, shall I just make some wood or aluminum blocks and self tap screw on. Also I think I have seen plates at the bottom for ones heels, is that the thing to do? Help appreciated -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331706#331706 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:16 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: VSWR meter in Bucks UK From: "Bill & Sue" Graeme, I've got one you can borrow- should be easy since we are so close- just give me a call 012966 689165. Regards Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331730#331730 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: radio From: "Bill & Sue" David, Now, I'd just crossed an sl40 off my list of possible radios because it appears to be a fraction too long to fit the panel... do I infer correctly from your note that it can be made to fit the standard Europa panel after all? Regards Bill PS sorry, this would be a first one -not a replacement! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331733#331733 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:47 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: radio Bill, I had rather picked that out of the air as the sort of radio that folk might upgrade to, although I thought I had said SL30 which has twin Nav as well as twin com channels. One of those fits very nicely in my Europa XS, and is a fantastic bit of kit.(Picture attached) If you do mean SL40 then I imagine that would be the same size or smaller. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Sue" Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: radio > > > David, > > Now, I'd just crossed an sl40 off my list of possible radios because it > appears to be a fraction too long to fit the panel... do I infer correctly > from your note that it can be made to fit the standard Europa panel after > all? > > > Regards > > Bill > > PS sorry, this would be a first one -not a replacement! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331733#331733 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:09 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron play On 02/21/2011 03:44 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > I get this problem. The very thin tufnol packing on the quick connect > surfaces unfortunately won't take a double layer. Ah, good to know. > I stripped off the > original material mixed up some very thick redux and left both mating > surfaces quite "proud" of finished thickness(using new tufnol) then fitted > and pinned the wings into place allowing the redux to cure, Ok, but during rigging it is I think quite impossible to line up the stick and the aileron so they mate evenly and don't push away the redux before the rigging is completed. I usually see the stick moving quite a bit during rigging. How do you solve this problem? Or is it not a problem at all? Thanks, Frans ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron play From: Trevor Pond Nev suggested foil tape over the tufnol - it sticks well and works a treat. Regards Trev Pond G-LINN Sent from my iPhone On 21 Feb 2011, at 16:06, Frans Veldman wrote: > > On 02/21/2011 03:44 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: >> I get this problem. The very thin tufnol packing on the quick connect >> surfaces unfortunately won't take a double layer. > > Ah, good to know. > >> I stripped off the >> original material mixed up some very thick redux and left both mating >> surfaces quite "proud" of finished thickness(using new tufnol) then fitted >> and pinned the wings into place allowing the redux to cure, > > Ok, but during rigging it is I think quite impossible to line up the > stick and the aileron so they mate evenly and don't push away the redux > before the rigging is completed. I usually see the stick moving quite a > bit during rigging. How do you solve this problem? Or is it not a > problem at all? > > Thanks, > Frans > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: radio From: Trevor Pond Bill I have an SL30 in my Europa G-LINN - fitted straight in the panel. Regards Trev Pond Sent from my iPhone On 21 Feb 2011, at 15:56, "David Joyce" wrote: > Bill, I had rather picked that out of the air as the sort of radio that folk might upgrade to, although I thought I had said SL30 which has twin Nav as well as twin com channels. One of those fits very nicely in my Europa XS, and is a fantastic bit of kit.(Picture attached) If you do mean SL40 then I imagine that would be the same size or smaller. > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Sue" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 3:33 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Re: radio > > >> >> David, >> >> Now, I'd just crossed an sl40 off my list of possible radios because it appears to be a fraction too long to fit the panel... do I infer correctly from your note that it can be made to fit the standard Europa panel after all? >> >> >> Regards >> >> Bill >> >> PS sorry, this would be a first one -not a replacement! >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331733#331733 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:16 AM PST US From: "Richard Churchill-Coleman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: radio Bill There's a Eurocontrol consultation underway at the moment to introduce mandatory 8.33kHz capable transceivers to new fit outs from roughly June 2012, below FL195 as well as the current above FL195 requirement. If implemented (highly likely) it will also mandate that all new radios offered on the market after June 2012 must be 8.33kHz capable. As a result Garmin should be thinking hard about an SL30/SL40 8.33kHz unit for the market early next year - might be worth holding out for. Regards Richard C-C -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Sue Sent: 21 February 2011 15:33 Subject: Europa-List: Re: radio --> David, Now, I'd just crossed an sl40 off my list of possible radios because it appears to be a fraction too long to fit the panel... do I infer correctly from your note that it can be made to fit the standard Europa panel after all? Regards Bill PS sorry, this would be a first one -not a replacement! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331733#331733 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: radio From: "Bill & Sue" Thanks David, I believe the sl30 and sl40 come in the same size box, just the sl40 lacks the Nav bits as you say, I had measured my panel depth as about 2cm short of the required depth. However this clearly can't be the case! The SL30 which does indeed look a fantastic peice of kit, but I am currently planning on buying a com-only box and putting the money towards the Garmin G3 ... I'm putting some of the panel in now but although I'm necessarily planning what goes where, the current intention is to delay buying the actual avionics until the last minute. Thanks to your reassurance I'll look again at the SL40, which was my original preferred choice. Regards Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331747#331747 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:20 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: radio From: "Bill & Sue" Thanks Trev and Richard - that crossed in the aether- I hadn't thought that 8.33 would affect us but methinks you would be the person to know about these things in particular, and that makes another reason to delay buying the electronic bits until I'm a little closer to actually using them. Regards Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331748#331748 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: VSWR meter in Bucks UK From: "graeme bird" Thanks Bill, thats great, Actually I am going to Winslow this evening, I'll give you a call Regards Graeme -------- Graeme Bird Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=331753#331753 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.