---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/09/11: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge (neveyre@aol.co.uk) 2. 01:15 AM - Sun'n'Fun - 29th March to 3rd April (Steven Pitt) 3. 02:22 AM - Re: flap drive pin engagement (kees de bussy) 4. 02:41 AM - Re: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge (david park) 5. 02:43 AM - Re: Re: flap drive pin engagement (david park) 6. 03:39 AM - Re: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 7. 08:08 AM - Cowl cutting - bak edge (Fergus Kyle) 8. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: flap drive pin engagement (david park) 9. 11:51 AM - Re: cowl cutting - bak edge (graeme bird) 10. 03:59 PM - Door Seal (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 11. 08:07 PM - Re: Portable Europa Cleaning (Bud Yerly) 12. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge From: neveyre@aol.co.uk Hi Graham, Had a thought, where did you get the spinner from ? The original XS spinner was as I described with about a 1'' flange aft of t he prop hub face, for some reason Europa have supplied non original spinner assemblies plucked it seems, at random, from an outside supplier [ I think Dave Park had one of those which he sent back] sets the entire spinner too far forward. Luke 23, 34 Nev. -----Original Message----- From: graeme bird Sent: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:27 Subject: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge Graham, checking again I am compliant with the 1" back from the front of th e lange as it says in the manual, so it must be the spinner that doesnt come back nough. -------- raeme Bird -UMPY ono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP uild nearing completion ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333250#333250 -= - The Europa-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:00 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Europa-List: Sun'n'Fun - 29th March to 3rd April With 3 weeks to go to the Show it would be good to find out who is attending, both with and without their Europas. The 'gang' (Steve Pitt, Nigel Graham and Terry Greaves (from the UK) and Jeff and Mary Behrnes (from Louisiana)) will be supporting Bud on the stand (N95 and N100) and the usual invite is made to all that meeting and greeting will take place at the stand every day at 11.00hrs. Troy and John have already indicated that they will be flying in, and Jeff and Mary will also have Baby Blue on show. How many more can we expect? Look forward to seeing you all again and hope to enjoy several 'engineering meetings' with you. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH trigear 912S ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:53 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: flap drive pin engagement From: "kees de bussy" Thanks Dave for your input. I will give it another try. It sounds if you did not needed a lot of force to make it move. Is that correct ? Kees de Bussy PH-SBR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333295#333295 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:47 AM PST US From: david park Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge Hi Graham=2C Nev=2C Yes=2C I bought a new Warp Drive from Europa and they sent a spinner as des cribed by Nev. I had to replace it with an original Europa spinner. Also bought the Airmaster and that comes with spinner backplate etc. looks like excellent quality. Test flying on Warp Drive. Dave P Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge From: neveyre@aol.co.uk Hi Graham=2C Had a thought=2C where did you get the spinner from ? The original XS spinner was as I described with about a 1'' flange aft of t he prop hub face=2C for some reason Europa have supplied non original spinn er assemblies plucked it seems=2C at random=2C from an outside supplier [ I think Dave Park had one of those which he sent back] sets the entire spinn er too far forward. Luke 23=2C 34 Nev. -----Original Message----- From: graeme bird Sent: Tue=2C 8 Mar 2011 21:27 Subject: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge Graham=2C checking again I am compliant with the 1" back from the front of the flange as it says in the manual=2C so it must be the spinner that doesnt co me back enough. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333250#333250 arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:49 AM PST US From: david park Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: flap drive pin engagement Just needed heat gun and gripped the edge of the housing with mole wrench a nd turned=2C once loose can be levered and turned out easily. Dave > Subject: Europa-List: Re: flap drive pin engagement > From: keesdebussy@hotmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 02:18:47 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > om> > > Thanks Dave for your input. I will give it another try. It sounds if you did not needed a lot of force to make it move. Is that correct ? Kees de Bu ssy PH-SBR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333295#333295 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:39:37 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge Dave=0Asensible plan!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________________ __=0AFrom: david park =0ATo: europa-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Wednesday, 9 March, 2011 10:37:00=0ASubject: RE: Europa-List: R e: cowl cutting - bak edge=0A=0A Hi Graham, Nev,=0AYes, I bought a new Warp Drive from Europa and they sent a spinner as described =0Aby Nev. I had t o replace it with an original Europa spinner.=0AAlso bought the Airmaster a nd that comes with spinner backplate etc. looks like =0Aexcellent quality. Test flying on Warp Drive.=0ADave P=0A =0A =0A_____________________________ ___=0A To: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cowl c utting - bak edge=0AFrom: neveyre@aol.co.uk=0ADate: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:27:4 4 -0500=0A=0AHi Graham,=0AHad a thought, where did you get the spinner from ?=0AThe original XS spinner was as I described with about a 1'' flange aft of the =0Aprop hub face, for some reason Europa have supplied non original spinner =0Aassemblies plucked it seems, at random, from an outside supplie r [ I think Dave =0APark had one of those which he sent back] sets the enti re spinner too far =0Aforward.=0ALuke 23, 34 Nev.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Or iginal Message-----=0AFrom: graeme bird =0ATo: europa-l ist =0ASent: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:27=0ASubject: Eu ropa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge=0A=0A=0A--> Europa-List message post ed by: "graeme bird" =0A=0AGraham, checking again I am compliant with the 1" back from the front of the =0Aflange as it says in th e manual, so it must be the spinner that doesnt come back =0A=0Aenough.=0A =0A--------=0AGraeme Bird=0AG-UMPY=0AMono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP=0ABuild nearing completion=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333250#333250 =0Aarget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =0Ap://for ums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =0Attp://for ums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A ============ =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:45 AM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: Europa-List: Cowl cutting - bak edge Lord, Graeme, .....we are truly fortunate that Nev is watching and always has the answer! Altough one needs to quote Graham, Bud and several others from time to time. Ferg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:13 AM PST US From: david park Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: flap drive pin engagement correct=2C Dave > Subject: Europa-List: Re: flap drive pin engagement > From: keesdebussy@hotmail.com > Date: Wed=2C 9 Mar 2011 02:18:47 -0800 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > om> > > Thanks Dave for your input. I will give it another try. It sounds if you did not needed a lot of force to make it move. Is that correct ? Kees de Bu ssy PH-SBR > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333295#333295 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge From: "graeme bird" ah, well I brought the prop and spinner secondhand from a certain europa flyer in Corinth Texas, who had it on a 914 while waiting for his airmaster to be repaired -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333349#333349 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:31 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Europa-List: Door Seal I am finally getting close to the end.=C2- Today I took out the rubber do or seal and started to look at putting it on.=C2- There is a diagram in t he manual that shows how it fits, and it makes sense.=C2- The rubber has a small channel that should fit the=C2-edge of the rebate.=C2- Where th ere is only a single ply, this works fine.=C2- Where the door frame is tw o plies thick, the rubber=C2- is not flexible enough to get on.=C2- In this case, it would seem that=C2-the edge should be cut down to a thickne ss that the rubber will go over.=C2- A Perma-Grit or die grinder would do it.=C2- Do I understand this=C2-correctly?=C2- Also, they do not men tion how to fasten the rubber in; it would seem to me that a little=C2-FL OX would be appropriate.=C2- Is this correct? END IN SIGHT! Jim Puglise - A283 Punta Gorda, FL=C2-=C2- =C2- ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:40 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Portable Europa Cleaning Troy, and others flying in. Most bring their own microfiber rags. They work great. I will bring a bucket or two to the Europa Tent and some micro fiber cloths and a chamois for the display planes and of course you can use mine. The dew in the morning is heavy enough that most of the time the dew is enough to clean the plane. Don't leave your canopy open and if you have a cover for the canopy it helps. I also will bring some Car Bright (or as my painter calls it Blue Soap) which is a great cleaner and shine agent plus degreaser that is safe for all finishes except water based. Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Maynor To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: Europa-List: Portable Europa Cleaning Hi All, I'm getting ready for Sun N Fun. One of the things I wondered about is what do folks take along to get the black Florida dust off the plane so it can look its best. One needs to avoid scratching the windscreen and the paint. Is it just a matter of getting water to it in a jug or is there a preferred commercial cleaner that can be sprayed? ACS has so many options it is mind boggling. Any wisdom from those who've done it? I know this won't be my only question about the trip. Troy http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:48 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge It is not uncommon to have 1/4 inch. My Classic with the XS FWF had the same problem and I added three layers of glass on the inside and flox to fill level and one layer on the outside peel plied and let cure. Fill and sand. I use poster board with release tape on it to make a form on the outside, after laying the glass and use small clamps to hold the paper exactly where I want it. Sand and block to make the line straight. Remember, the two lines looked at most are around the canopy and the cowl. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: graeme bird To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 1:55 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: cowl cutting - bak edge > thanks Bud, I think I get the drift of most of it, one thing worries me now though is that you mention a spinner to cowl gap of 1/8th I just don't have enough cowl to do that, I am going to end up with around 1/2". The top is resting on the shaft of the 912S prop plate butted up to the back of the prop bolts and I only have 1/8th of the cowl on the port side to cut off. Is a 3/8th gap going to matter? Regards Graeme -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=333194#333194 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.