---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/11/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:16 AM - Re: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 2. 05:09 AM - Re: twillight land'g @ LAX (Greg Fuchs) 3. 06:30 AM - Wiring size ? (Peter Harrod) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 5. 01:39 PM - Re: place for venturi -in air duct? (graeme bird) 6. 01:44 PM - Re: Wiring size ? (graeme bird) 7. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: place for venturi -in air duct? (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 8. 04:19 PM - Re: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI (GRAHAM SINGLETON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:48 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI look at the induction system, you need straight flow into the single carb o r =0Amixture will vary between the cylinders too much, a smooth curve elbow doesn't =0Awork well.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________________ ______=0AFrom: Gustavo Sessarego =0ATo: europa-list@m atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 11 April, 2011 1:00:39=0ASubject: RE: Europa-L ist: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI=0A=0A thanks Pete, =0A =0AI have a uMONITOR and it works on Celcius.....!!=0A =0Athanks again =0AGUS=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: pjeffers@talktalk.ne t=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubjecPete, t: RE: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING =0ATAXI=0ADate: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20: 17:43 +0100=0A=0A =0AHi Gustavo,=0A =0AJust one silly thought. If you bo ught the aircraft in the States your =0Atemperatures readouts would probabl y be set up inFarenheitunits rather than =0Acentigrade. Check your units. =0A =0APete=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-euro pa-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics. com] On Behalf Of Gustavo Sessarego=0ASent: 10 April 2011 18:03=0ATo: europ a-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEM PERATURE DURING TAXI=0A =0AHi Everybody, =0A =0AI am Gustavo from ARGENTINA and I bought 1 year ago an Europa xs monowhell 99 % =0Acomplete with jabir u 3300 brand new and airmaster 3 balde cs brand new.=0A =0Anow is time to m out take the first test fly and I find out that during taxi =0Aengine tempe rature is 150=B0 celcius at 1400 rpm so I richt the runway for take =0Aoff run at 190=B0 celcius so I must stop engine for proctection. =0A=0A =0AEngi ne Manual says 150=B0 maximun continues and 175=B0 maximun.=0A =0Anote: out side temperature was only 20=B0 celcius=0A =0AAny advise.....?=0A =0Aregard s from Buenos Aires -Argentina=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Europa-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contr ibution=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0ANo virus found in t his message.=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A04/10/11=0A target=_blank >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =0Attp://forums.matronics.c ======= =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:08 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: twillight land'g @ LAX Ahh yes, Thanks for the entertainment, Fred..Seeing this makes me want to build faster. Sure is pretty up there at night! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:15 AM Subject: Europa-List: twillight land'g @ LAX http://www.flixxy.com/twilight-landing-los-angeles-airport-cockpit-view.htm (I prefer to kill the audio) do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:25 AM PST US From: Peter Harrod Subject: Europa-List: Wiring size ? I am currently building XS Hi-top and looking at Europa Flyer 47 wiring diagram with EXP-Bus module. Help with sizes of wire required on this diagram would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Peter ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:53 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI Gus- Graham makes a good point.=C2- There is a section in the installation man ual that talks about the induction system.=C2- Many Jab users don't even use SCAT tubing because the rough sides create turbulence going into the ca rb.=C2- I just replaced the SCAT tubing between my airbox and the carb wi th rubber tubing.=C2- If you want to do that, there is a NAPA part number (I think it is a radiator hose for an older Ford truck) that you can make it from.=C2- In addition, Jab recommends that you use a "cobra head" betw een the tube and the carb.=C2- Also, are you able to monitor=C2-the=C2 -CHT and EGT in each cylinder?=C2- That can be important since differen t cylinders will cool at different rates.=C2- If you have only one "hot" cylinder, you can address just that one.=C2- All I am saying is based on what I have picked up during my build.=C2- I was about to start the engin e last week and lost the EMS, so until it gets back from Dynon I am dead in the water.=C2- Also, your cooling output needs to be at least 3X your=C2 -air input area.=C2- =C2- Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "GRAHAM SINGLETON" Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:13:14 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAX I look at the induction system, you need straight flow into the single carb o r mixture will vary between the cylinders too much, a smooth curve elbow do esn't work well. Graham From: Gustavo Sessarego Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2011 1:00:39 Subject: RE: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAX I thanks Pete,=C2- =C2- I have a uMONITOR and it works on Celcius.....!! =C2- thanks again GUS =C2- From: pjeffers@talktalk.net SubjecPete, t: RE: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURI NG TAXI Hi Gustavo, Just one silly thought.=C2- If you bought the aircraft in the States your temperatures readouts would probably be set up in Farenheit units rather t han centigrade. Check your units. Pete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo Sessarego Sent: 10 April 2011 18:03 Subject: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI Hi Everybody, =C2- I am Gustavo from ARGENTINA and I bought 1 year ago an Europa xs monowhell 99=C2-% complete with jabiru 3300 brand new and airmaster 3 balde cs bran d new. =C2- now is time to mout take the first test fly and I find out that during taxi engine temperature is 150=C2=B0 celcius at 1400 rpm so I richt the runway for take off run at 190=C2=B0 celcius so I must stop engine for proctection . =C2- Engine Manual says 150=C2=B0 maximun continues and 175=C2=B0 maximun. =C2- note: outside temperature was only 20=C2=B0 celcius =C2- Any advise.....? =C2- regards from Buenos Aires -Argentina =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com /contribution =C2- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/10/11 target=_blank> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List tt p://forums.matronics.com =_blank> http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-Listhttp://================ ================= == ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: place for venturi -in air duct? From: "graeme bird" thanks for the advice. It is appreciated. The point about smooth air is a good one. I plan to have an electronic centre piece, a gps and moving CAA map. The thing is, a venturi and vac instrument is such a very simple arrangement; doesn't need power, software update, emit RF, have parts that go obsolete, be dependent on a supplier that will disappear, be hard to read in sunlight, have connections that corrode, wires and components that vibrate off, rely on GPS satellites and cant be jammed. The drag caused by a venturi must be tiny based on its forward cross section. Graeme Bird, Electronics engineer, satellite processors, Astrium Space (EADs) -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336656#336656 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wiring size ? From: "graeme bird" I can help with wire gauges if needed. I dont know the diagram you are referring to. I would recommend Raychem wire from Farnell or RS components 22 AWG fro signal wiresl 20 AWG for low power circuits (low amps) 18 AWG for higher currents (to 20A) 16 AWG for 30A I have most of a reel of 18 AWG left from my wiring. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336657#336657 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:54 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: place for venturi -in air duct? =0ANot true, the drag of a Europa is quite low for it's csarea, drag of a venturi =0Ais high, unless you totally re design it. you could easily ad d 10% to your =0Acruise drag but don't ask me, I didn't do the sum.=0Athink of th coist of a year of extra fuel.=0Amy humble opinion=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: graeme bird =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, 11 April, 2011 21:34:1 4=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: place for venturi -in air duct?=0A=0A-=0A=0AT he drag caused by a venturi must be tiny based on its forward cross section .=0A=0A=0AGraeme Bird, Electronics engineer, satellite processors, Astrium Space (EADs)=0A=0A--------=0AGraeme Bird=0AG-UMPY=0AMono Classic/XS FWFD 9 12ULS/Warp drive FP=0ABuild nearing completion=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topi c online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=336656#33 ======================= ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:45 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI thanks Jim, I was a bit cryptic, (again) I spent a year faffing about tryin g to =0Ahelp some guys with a Jab6 Europa. After telling them more than onc e to talk to =0ATony Higgins they did and he fixed it for them. Instead of a nice smooth elbow, =0Aa square box worked like a charm. What a difference !=0ATony is so clever he never needed this forum! (He used to tune rally ca rs)=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "jim puglise@comcast.net" =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.c om=0ASent: Monday, 11 April, 2011 15:13:07=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: JABI RU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI=0A=0A=0AGus-=0A =0AGraham ma kes a good point. There is a section in the installation manual that =0Ata lks about the induction system. Many Jab users don't even use SCAT tubing =0Abecause the rough sides create turbulence going into the carb. I just r eplaced =0Athe SCAT tubing between my airbox and the carb with rubber tubin g. If you want =0Ato do that, there is a NAPA part number (I think it is a radiator hose for an =0Aolder Ford truck) that you can make it from. In a ddition, Jab recommends that =0Ayou use a "cobra head" between the tube and the carb. Also, are you able to =0Amonitor the CHT and EGT in each cylind er? That can be important since different =0Acylinders will cool at differ ent rates. If you have only one "hot" cylinder, =0Ayou can address just th at one. All I am saying is based on what I have picked =0Aup during my bui ld. I was about to start the engine last week and lost the EMS, =0Aso unti l it gets back from Dynon I am dead in the water. Also, your cooling =0Aou tput needs to be at least 3X your air input area. =0A =0AJim =0A----- Ori ginal Message -----=0AFrom: "GRAHAM SINGLETON" =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, April 11, 2011 5:13:14 AM=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURI NG TAXI=0A=0A=0Alook at the induction system, you need straight flow into t he single carb or =0Amixture will vary between the cylinders too much, a sm ooth curve elbow doesn't =0Awork well.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ ______________________=0A From: Gustavo Sessarego =0A ect: RE: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI=0A =0A thanks Pete, =0A =0AI have a uMONITOR and it works on Celcius.....!!=0A =0Athanks again=0AGUS=0A =0A________________________________=0A From: pjef fers@talktalk.net=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubjecPete, t: RE: Euro pa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAND NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING =0ATAXI=0ADate: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 20:17:43 +0100=0A=0A =0AHi Gustavo,=0A =0AJust one silly tho ught. If you bought the aircraft in the States your =0Atemperatures readou ts would probably be set up inFarenheitunits rather than =0Acentigrade. Che ck your units.=0A =0APete=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AF rom:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-europa-list-ser ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gustavo Sessarego=0ASent: 10 April 2011 18: 03=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Europa-List: JABIRU 3300 BRAN D NEW OVER TEMPERATURE DURING TAXI=0A =0AHi Everybody, =0A =0AI am Gustavo from ARGENTINA and I bought 1 year ago an Europa xs monowhell 99 % =0Acompl ete with jabiru 3300 brand new and airmaster 3 balde cs brand new.=0A =0Ano w is time to mout take the first test fly and I find out that during taxi =0Aengine temperature is 150=B0 celcius at 1400 rpm so I richt the runway f or take =0Aoff run at 190=B0 celcius so I must stop engine for proctection. =0A=0A =0AEngine Manual says 150=B0 maximun continues and 175=B0 maximun. =0A =0Anote: outside temperature was only 20=B0 celcius=0A =0AAny advise... ..?=0A =0Aregards from Buenos Aires -Argentina=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matroni cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.mat ronics.com/contribution=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0ANo virus found in this message.=0AChecked by AVG - www.avg.com=0A04/10/11=0A target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =0Attp://fo rums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0Ah ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://======= ================ =0A arget=_blank>http: //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List =0Ap://forums.matronics.com blank === =0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.