---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/19/11: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - Re: Re: Europa Classic fuel filler pipe (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 2. 12:41 AM - Re: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the ground. (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 3. 12:45 AM - Re: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the ground. (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 4. 01:26 AM - Re: The demise of AvGas (Nigel Graham) 5. 02:17 AM - Engine Hoods (Tony Renshaw) 6. 02:23 AM - Re: The demise of AvGas (Remi Guerner) 7. 02:53 AM - Re: The demise of AvGas (Frans Veldman) 8. 03:05 AM - Re: Engine Hoods (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 03:52 AM - Re: Engine Hoods (Tony Renshaw) 10. 04:16 AM - Re: Engine Hoods (Karl Heindl) 11. 05:57 AM - Re: Engine Hoods (Paul McAllister) 12. 07:40 AM - Re: The demise of AvGas (Robert Borger) 13. 07:53 AM - Re: Engine Hoods (rampil) 14. 08:02 AM - Re: The demise of AvGas (Peter Zutrauen) 15. 08:20 AM - Re: The demise of AvGas (rampil) 16. 08:44 AM - Engine hoods (Fred Klein) 17. 10:31 AM - timing issues (Fred Klein) 18. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Europa Classic fuel filler pipe (Karl Heindl) 19. 12:02 PM - Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (tennant) 20. 12:35 PM - Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (europapa) 21. 01:22 PM - 914 TACH/EMSD-10 (Fergus Kyle) 22. 01:45 PM - Re: timing issues (Greg Fuchs) 23. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 24. 03:18 PM - Re: Engine Hoods (Bud Yerly) 25. 06:03 PM - Re: Engine Hoods (Fred Klein) 26. 08:26 PM - New "constant speed" blade profile offered by Warp Drive for higher speed aircraft (glenn crowder) 27. 08:43 PM - Re: New "constant speed" blade profile offered by Warp Drive for higher speed aircraft (Fred Klein) 28. 09:52 PM - Re: 914 TACH/EMSD-10 (Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:09 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Classic fuel filler pipe Graeme=0Athere are a lot of Classics with solid aluminium filler pipe. Only sensible way =0Ato go imho and I think LAA should allow it. It must be alr eady approved=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Luc Michaud =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent : Tuesday, 19 April, 2011 3:39:50=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Cl assic fuel filler pipe=0A=0ASame here, also interested in an aluminium fuel filler pipe for my Classic.=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 16:26, graeme raeme bird" =0A>=0A>I am still interesting in fitting o ne of these if there has been any progress or =0A>you have the updated draw ing.=0A>Regards=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Graeme Bird=0A>G-UMPY=0A>Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP=0A>Build nearing completion=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>R ead this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph p?p=337405#337405=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>======== ====0A>target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Li st=0A>============0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A> ============0A>le, List Admin.=0A>="_blank">http:// www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>============0A>=0A> ================= =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:59 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the ground. Jeff=0Aprayer sent for your son, and all the others.=0AI don't blame Oby bu t I seriously balme Bernake. The banks have us all over the =0Abarrel and a re stripping us out. The politicians are all in hock to the banks =0Aand bb ig biz.=0ASorry for all this guys, I do get would up when I look back and s ee what they've =0Aall done. Worse, are doing it all again.=0ABack to aviat ion, "roll on electric!"=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0AFrom: Jeffrey Roberts =0ATo: europa-list@matro nics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, 19 April, 2011 3:14:36=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List : Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the ground.=0A=0AGram,=0AYes indeed it was the MR. Bush. In my opinion he was the worst until this one =0Abut in a somewhat different way. This one is really good at saying one thing =0Athe n doing something else. Some seem to defend todays leadership by comparing it =0Aas better than Bush. They both have placed us on a collision course t o what =0Ahappened in Greece. Only this President seems to be speeding up t he process. =0A=0AOh and Fred you have my apologizes. I was truly not tryin g to offend. I indeed =0Ashould have said I and not we or us. I'm just real ly ticked off at whats =0Ahappened in the last 10 years here. My only son i s in the mountains of =0AAfghanistan in the middle of a one year Army deplo yment. Needless to say we are =0Avery proud of him but scared to death. Whe n I turn on the morning news I hear =0Amore about the royal wedding than wh at our young people are trying to accomplish =0Aand the sacrifices they and their families are making. I wonder if we would be =0Atrying to fight a p olite political war if the idiots in Washington had their own =0Asons fight ing on the ground. Hell these poor soldiers can't even engage the =0Aenemy without pre approval. Needless to say politics are not one of my favorite =0Asubjects right now. =0AI will ask anyone that will, to take a few minute s and say a prayer for our =0Asoldiers. =0A=0AI'm going to quit now as this forum needs to get back to solutions for the =0Abuilder & flyers of our gr eat Europa... which BTW I'm having a few but that can =0Await.=0A=0ARegards ,=0AJeff N128LJ Gold Rush=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Apr 18, 2011, at 5:53 PM, GRAHAM SI NGLETON wrote:=0A=0AJeff=0A>wasn't it the ShruB created the biggest deficit in history and started all this =0A>QE, ? =0A>Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Fred Klein =0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com=0A>Sent: Monday, 18 April, 2011 1 9:22:05=0A>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the g line.com>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Apr 18, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Jeffrey Roberts wrote: =0A>=0A>> We are all getting rather tired of the few wanna tax & spend libe ral hollywood =0A>>types getting into our pockets and running this country into the ground.=0A>=0A> I'm always fascinated when someone takes it upo n himself to speak on behalf =0A>of "all" of us...and...it reveals to me ju st a hint of the pitfalls we can land =0A>in when we go off-Europa-topic. =0A>=0A>F href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target= "_blank">p; =0A> -Matt Dralle, Libution" ====== ==0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Eur opa-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List=0A> href="http:/ /forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A>href="http://www.m atronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A> ================ =0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:29 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the ground. Hi Bob=0AI still blame the banks and Wall street. Politicians are just pupp ets usually=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Robert Borger =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: T uesday, 19 April, 2011 3:08:49=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: JABIRU etc. Keep your ear to the ground.=0A=0AGraham,=0A=0AThe deficit increased consi derably under Bush for the years 2003 - 2005 with the =0A2004 deficit reach ing a record (at the time) $462.56 billion. The previous =0Arecord being $ 438.5 billion in 1992. By 2006 it had almost been cut in half =0Afrom the 2004 deficit and in 2007 it was down to a "mere" $165.24 billion. =0A BHO's first year was a mind boggling $1,416 billion followed by $1,294 billion =0Aand for 2011 $1,650 billion.=0A=0AThose are inflation adjusted numbers t o 2011. If you looked at the =0Anon-inflation adjusted dollar amounts, the Bush years don't really look as bad.=0A=0AWhat made Bush look bad was the fact he came in with a two year budget surplus =0Aand held a budget surplus through 2001. He had been expected to be more =0Afiscally conservative th an he turned out to be. The result of his unpopular =0Aspending was the ab andonment of the Republican Party by the Conservative base in =0A2008 (they stayed home in droves on election day). So the Socialists won and we =0Ag ot BHO, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid & Co. and $4,360 billion debt generated in 3 =0Ayears. Makes "ShruB," as you derisively put it, look downright thrif ty.=0A=0A=0ABob Borger =0A=0AOn Apr 18, 2011, at 17:53, GRAHAM SINGLETON wr ote:=0A=0AJeff=0A>wasn't it the ShruB created the biggest deficit in histor y and started all this =0A>QE, ? =0A>Graham=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:14 AM PST US From: Nigel Graham Subject: Re: Europa-List: The demise of AvGas On 19/04/2011 07:32, Frans Veldman wrote: > .....snip...... > ..... go straight to Diesel or propane. Here in the Netherlands about 1/3th of the > gas cars has been converted to run on propane (LPG) .........and just how much does a propane tank weigh and what would that do for the Europa's C of G and performance? ;-) Nigel ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Engine Hoods From: Tony Renshaw Gidday, I am wondering if there is any consensus to a way to open up the lid of the cowl, exposing the engine easily for our birds? To be honest, I am sure a car style bonnet would be the most ideal, and I am wondering if anyone has attempted it?? Reg Tony Renshaw Sydney Australia ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: The demise of AvGas From: "Remi Guerner" Hi Frans, Regarding octane numbers, be careful to compare apples to apples. AVGAS 100LL has a MON (Motor Octane Number)of 100. A different scale is used for MOGAS. In Europe, our unleaded 98 Mogas is 98 RON (Research Octane Number) which is equivalent to 87-88 MON. Unleaded 95 Mogas is 95 RON which is equivalent to 85 MON. So the best unleaded MOGAS has an octane number which is way below AVGAS's. This why existing MOGAS cannot be used on the typical air cooled aircraft engines except for the lowest compression ones. Developing a 100 MON unleaded aviation fuel is certainly possible, but due to low volume and more stringent specifications it will for sure be a lot more expensive than any Mogas. So I share your opinion not to invest in an engine designed to run on AVGAS only. Regards Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337453#337453 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:23 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: The demise of AvGas On 04/19/2011 10:23 AM, Nigel Graham wrote: >> ..... go straight to Diesel or propane. Here in the Netherlands about >> 1/3th of the >> gas cars has been converted to run on propane (LPG) > > .........and just how much does a propane tank weigh and what would that > do for the Europa's C of G and performance? ;-) Someone was proposing to raise the octane levels for cars. So my reply was not aimed at airplanes. But now you ask for it... These days there are light weight plastic propane tanks, in other shapes than cylindrical. And I bet the Rotax engine is very easy to adapt for propane use. Performance could actually increase over gas if the compression ratio (or boost pressure!) would be increased and the ignition timing would be advanced. Limiting factor for the Rotax is detonation, and propane has a much higher resistance against detonation. The main problem would be refueling. Or you could set it up, just like with cars, so it can accept both fuel types. Frans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:58 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods Tony=0Astart from the thought that there is at least 6lb/sq inch pressure i nside it, =0Athat adds up to quite a load.=0AYou can use hinge (same as a G lasair or RV) down the sides, just pull the hinge =0Apin out to =0A=0Arelea se. Then camlocks or southco across the firewall=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___ _____________________________=0AFrom: Tony Renshaw =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, 19 April, 2011 10:13:38 =0ASubject: Europa-List: Engine Hoods=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted b y: Tony Renshaw =0A=0AGidday,=0AI am wondering if there is any consensus to a way to open up the lid of the =0Acowl, exposin g the engine easily for our birds? To be honest, I am sure a car =0Astyle b onnet would be the most ideal, and I am wondering if anyone has attempted ======= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods From: Tony Renshaw Thks Graham, I reckon that sounds like a good idea. I have found a removeable pin MS20001-5 hinge supplier, using a composite hinge and removable pin. I just think that the curvature of the cowl may prohibit "easy" removal, therefore defeating the purpose. I can't figure something like camlocks to undo the cowls, followed by a similar mech to the bonnet to open conventionally. Reg TonyR. On 19/04/2011, at 8:03 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > Tony > start from the thought that there is at least 6lb/sq inch pressure inside it, > that adds up to quite a load. > You can use hinge (same as a Glasair or RV) down the sides, just pull the hinge > pin out to > > release. Then camlocks or southco across the firewall > Graham > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony Renshaw > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, 19 April, 2011 10:13:38 > Subject: Europa-List: Engine Hoods > > > Gidday, > I am wondering if there is any consensus to a way to open up the lid of the > cowl, exposing the engine easily for our birds? To be honest, I am sure a car > style bonnet would be the most ideal, and I am wondering if anyone has attempted ======= ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:50 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine Hoods I wonder if it would really be a worthwhile project. I once timed the remo val/replacement of the top hood=2C using a manual screwdriver=2C and no rus hing. It takes less than 5 minutes. Compare that to all the other tasks whe n you want to go flying=2C and it turns out to be pretty trivial. And you w ouldn't want to do this every time. Karl > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods > From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com > Date: Tue=2C 19 Apr 2011 20:48:34 +1000 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > > Thks Graham=2C > I reckon that sounds like a good idea. I have found a removeable pin MS20 001-5 hinge supplier=2C using a composite hinge and removable pin. I just t hink that the curvature of the cowl may prohibit "easy" removal=2C therefor e defeating the purpose. I can't figure something like camlocks to undo the cowls=2C followed by a similar mech to the bonnet to open conventionally. > Reg > TonyR. > On 19/04/2011=2C at 8:03 PM=2C GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > > > Tony > > start from the thought that there is at least 6lb/sq inch pressure insi de it=2C > > that adds up to quite a load. > > You can use hinge (same as a Glasair or RV) down the sides=2C just pull the hinge > > pin out to > > > > release. Then camlocks or southco across the firewall > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Tony Renshaw > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Tuesday=2C 19 April=2C 2011 10:13:38 > > Subject: Europa-List: Engine Hoods > > om> > > > > Gidday=2C > > I am wondering if there is any consensus to a way to open up the lid of the > > cowl=2C exposing the engine easily for our birds? To be honest=2C I am sure a car > > style bonnet would be the most ideal=2C and I am wondering if anyone ha s attempted ======= > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods From: Paul McAllister The one upside, for a 914 owner at least is that being able to open the cowl after flying would be great for letting the heat out. With that said, I am not about to go modify mine and my experience during the build process is that all the little modifications sure added to the build time! On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Karl Heindl wrote: > I wonder if it would really be a worthwhile project. I once timed the > removal/replacement of the top hood, using a manual screwdriver, and no > rushing. It takes less than 5 minutes. Compare that to all the other tasks > when you want to go flying, and it turns out to be pretty trivial. And you > wouldn't want to do this every time. > > Karl > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: The demise of AvGas From: Robert Borger Nigel, In all seriousness, an LP tank can be constructed from composite materials and, thus, be kept quite light. The issue with an LP thank is more form factor than weight. It must be cylindro-spherical in shape making locating it within an airframe more an issue. LP is also quite energy dense, even more than diesel, so it could be much smaller, lower volume, than a normal AvGas tank. Same with LNG, another option in the same category. Frans, You may be correct that there will be composite LP (or LNG) tanks of more random sizes. I have not seen them over here yet. Now all we need is to talk our FBOs into storing another fuel type and figure out how to meter it so you don't over fill. But that's all technical stuff and can probably be worked out. I doubt you will see switch fuel aviation engines. Too much complication with multiple carbs, plumbing, multiple fuel tanks, etc. Diesel engines, if it weren't for their weight issues, would be great as aero engines. Gobs of torque at low to moderate RPM lets you swing a big fat air mover at efficient RPM without complications like PSRUs. AvGas, as 100LL, isn't going away real soon. There just isn't a suitable replacement at this time and this fact has been recognized by the EPA and other organizations. 100LL WILL go away at some point in the future, but that point has not been set and, hopefully, won't be set till there is a suitable replacement. There are a few contenders for the title of 100LL replacement but only one appears to be making headway in the effort. 100SF (100 Swift Fuel) appears to be in the lead at the present time. It is in the production pilot plant stage of evaluation. More information can be obtained through the Wikipedia (search avgas) and at http://www.swiftenterprises.net/ if you are interested. Bob On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:23, Nigel Graham wrote: > > > > On 19/04/2011 07:32, Frans Veldman wrote: >> .....snip...... >> ..... go straight to Diesel or propane. Here in the Netherlands about 1/3th of the >> gas cars has been converted to run on propane (LPG) > > .........and just how much does a propane tank weigh and what would that do for the Europa's C of G and performance? ;-) > > Nigel ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine Hoods From: "rampil" It is not a difficult project to simply replace the lateral nutplates with Southco or CamLok quarter turn fasteners. The only minor issue is that the rivet holes for the nutplates do not fit the new fasteners. I think the best solution is to fill the old holes and back them with a long horizontal strip of glass, then back the glass with a long strip of say 40 thou 6061 an inch high to hold the new rivets. The nut plates on the fire wall can stay behind, just replacing the lateral cowl screws cuts the job by more than 2/3. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337486#337486 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:22 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: The demise of AvGas As far as Diesel engines - the Gemini showed grate promise - a reincarnation of the Junkers design, advertised as being as light and the same form factor as the Rotax. Pity it has appearantly died the same death as all other start-up engine mfg's. Cheers Pete A239 On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Robert Borger wrote: > > Nigel, > > In all seriousness, an LP tank can be constructed from composite materials > and, thus, be kept quite light. The issue with an LP thank is more form > factor than weight. It must be cylindro-spherical in shape making locating > it within an airframe more an issue. LP is also quite energy dense, even > more than diesel, so it could be much smaller, lower volume, than a normal > AvGas tank. Same with LNG, another option in the same category. > > Frans, > > You may be correct that there will be composite LP (or LNG) tanks of more > random sizes. I have not seen them over here yet. Now all we need is to > talk our FBOs into storing another fuel type and figure out how to meter it > so you don't over fill. But that's all technical stuff and can probably be > worked out. I doubt you will see switch fuel aviation engines. Too much > complication with multiple carbs, plumbing, multiple fuel tanks, etc. > > Diesel engines, if it weren't for their weight issues, would be great as > aero engines. Gobs of torque at low to moderate RPM lets you swing a big > fat air mover at efficient RPM without complications like PSRUs. > > AvGas, as 100LL, isn't going away real soon. There just isn't a suitable > replacement at this time and this fact has been recognized by the EPA and > other organizations. 100LL WILL go away at some point in the future, but > that point has not been set and, hopefully, won't be set till there is a > suitable replacement. There are a few contenders for the title of 100LL > replacement but only one appears to be making headway in the effort. 100SF > (100 Swift Fuel) appears to be in the lead at the present time. It is in > the production pilot plant stage of evaluation. More information can be > obtained through the Wikipedia (search avgas) and at > http://www.swiftenterprises.net/ if you are interested. > > Bob > > On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:23, Nigel Graham wrote: > > nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> > > > > > > > > On 19/04/2011 07:32, Frans Veldman wrote: > >> .....snip...... > >> ..... go straight to Diesel or propane. Here in the Netherlands about > 1/3th of the > >> gas cars has been converted to run on propane (LPG) > > > > .........and just how much does a propane tank weigh and what would that > do for the Europa's C of G and performance? ;-) > > > > Nigel > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:16 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: The demise of AvGas From: "rampil" Hey Scout, Please chill a little! I am not a fan of the current US administration at all. The Dems have done nothing but seriously hurt my industry and livelihood. That said, politics is not very welcome here, particularly poisonous commentary. Furthermore, you're a little late to the party. The EPA, FAA, AOPA, and EAA have all said that killing AvGas is not on the table at all until an agreeable substitute is found for the full fleet. This is not an easy task for the chemical engineers and will take years, then years of testing until everyone is happy. If Swift actually pans out, maybe it will only be a decade. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337496#337496 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:30 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Engine hoods On Apr 19, 2011, at 2:13 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > > > > Gidday, > I am wondering if there is any consensus to a way to open up the lid > of the cowl, exposing the engine easily for our birds? To be honest, > I am sure a car style bonnet would be the most ideal, and I am > wondering if anyone has attempted it?? Alex Bowman's XS mono has a proper "bonnet"...I believe it is secured w/ 3 southco fasteners on each side...2 fwd & 1 at aft corner. What I like about it is that in addition to being able to have a good look at everything, you don't have to worry about placing the top cowl on the tarmac or seeing it blown away in the wind when removed. Note the 2 streamlined surface pivots. I'm thinking about doing something similar but w/ concealed hinges...just thinking. Fred ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:27 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: timing issues ...for someone who has too much time on his hands... http://www.wimp.com/theclock/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:59 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa Classic fuel filler pipe I have a spare aluminum elbow you can have. Karl From: rambug@gmail.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa Classic fuel filler pipe Same here=2C also interested in an aluminium fuel filler pipe for my Classi c. On Mon=2C Apr 18=2C 2011 at 16:26=2C graeme bird wrote : I am still interesting in fitting one of these if there has been any progre ss or you have the updated drawing. Regards -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337405#337405 target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com le=2C List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:01 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent From: "tennant" Hi Juergen, Did you solve the problem? If so please let us know. I had a similar problem several years ago & could not find the cause until I fitted a clear plastic pipe to the end of one of the carb connector pipes and saw that about 30 percent of what was getting to the carbs was air instead of petrol. For some reason if the rubber pipes are shot air gets into the system quicker than fuel gets out!! Where is the plane now? Barry Tennant -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337522#337522 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:00 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent From: "europapa" Hi Berry, the problem is not solved yet. The mechanics could not find the restrictor they think it has been flooded into the tank!? So I ordered a new one but I am leery. Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=337524#337524 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:51 PM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: Europa-List: 914 TACH/EMSD-10 Cheers, Today's challenge is finding the wires which produce the RPM, hopefully. With 52 years into Amateur Radio licence, I'm having trouble sensing the meaning if the "electric' tach on the 914 to hook up with my Dynon EMSD10 screen. The circuit diagram seems meagre to me. The diagram on 914 Installation manual, p75 shows wires 26 and 13 magically feeding a tachometer of sorts - #26 is attached to its negative terminal and #13 attached to some other one undetermined. A third terminal on the tach gets 12Vdc. I have arranged 26&13 to connect but can't comprehend the EMS connections to them. I suspect one goes to ground and one to the #32 EMS wire. Am I correct? Your thoughts gratefully received. Ferg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:03 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: timing issues That is actually pretty neat. Quite a lot of time in that one for sure! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: Europa-List: timing issues ...for someone who has too much time on his hands... http://www.wimp.com/theclock/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:30 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent Juergen=0Aseems that was your problem. Block the return pipe completely and test run the =0Aengine. It should run normally.=0AThat will confirm the di agnosis=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: europapa =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesd ay, 19 April, 2011 20:32:22=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure probl ome.de>=0A=0AHi Berry,=0A=0Athe problem is not solved yet.=0AThe mechanics could not find the restrictor they think it has been flooded into =0Athe ta nk!?=0ASo I ordered a new one but I am leery.=0A=0AJuergen=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARe ad this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A == ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:46 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods Karl, Well put, but with my electric screw gun (non-environmentally correct as it is not solar) it only takes two minutes. To others: If I drop a screw or it gets muggered up, I go to the bag and get another. Can't do that with cam locks, as the plane requires different sizes, but they serve their purpose. I have done it both ways, and I like it simple with screws. If you want truly custom, which is sometimes what we get to do here, get complex and wonderful. Making a car hood to hold shape and the whole cowl only weighing 10 pounds is quite a task. (OK, my painter puts on a lot of paint so it's 15.) A proper car type hood and cowl stiff enough to do the job is going to be a bit on the cheeky side, but frankly the exercise will consume a lot of time. But if you have plenty of time, go ahead, just make sure it meets the structural requirements.. As for hinges, if you move the intakes and get the sides right you can rework the cowl and make it happen, but again, the builder will be adding much time for little convenience. Hinges make a nice clean side to the cowl. But after a few years, the tinnermans start to wear into the paint, and the rivets in the hinges start to wiggle a bit so it is six of one and half dozen of the other. As far as access, or even heat dissipation, make the two access holes for the cooling and oil, larger and set the geometry so when opened they let the heat out after landing so you can check under the hood easily after a sip of gas and a slug of water while checking the weather, NOTAMS and filing. Then it is a warm preflight and takeoff verses a hot one... Just trying to keep it simple. Remember light airplanes bounce, heavy ones crash. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Heindl To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:14 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Engine Hoods I wonder if it would really be a worthwhile project. I once timed the removal/replacement of the top hood, using a manual screwdriver, and no rushing. It takes less than 5 minutes. Compare that to all the other tasks when you want to go flying, and it turns out to be pretty trivial. And you wouldn't want to do this every time. Karl > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods > From: tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:48:34 +1000 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Thks Graham, > I reckon that sounds like a good idea. I have found a removeable pin MS20001-5 hinge supplier, using a composite hinge and removable pin. I just think that the curvature of the cowl may prohibit "easy" removal, therefore defeating the purpose. I can't figure something like camlocks to undo the cowls, followed by a similar mech to the bonnet to open conventionally. > Reg > TonyR. > On 19/04/2011, at 8:03 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > > > Tony > > start from the thought that there is at least 6lb/sq inch pressure inside it, > > that adds up to quite a load. > > You can use hinge (same as a Glasair or RV) down the sides, just pull the hinge > > pin out to > > > > release. Then camlocks or southco across the firewall > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Tony Renshaw > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Tuesday, 19 April, 2011 10:13:38 > > Subject: Europa-List: Engine Hoods > > > > > > Gidday, > > I am wondering if there is any consensus to a way to open up the lid of the > > cowl, exposing the engine easily for our birds? To be honest, I am sure a car > > style bonnet would be the most ideal, and I am wondering if anyone has attempted ======= ========================> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:37 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine Hoods On Apr 19, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > Making a car hood to hold shape and the whole cowl only weighing 10 > pounds is quite a task. (OK, my painter puts on a lot of paint so > it's 15.) Bud...are you saying the stock Europa cowl, upper plus lower, weighs 10 to 15 pounds? Hmmmmm...my upper weighs 5.7#, lower weighs about 13# including inlet and exit ducts for the twin rads...all filled and sanded, but no paint... Fred ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:21 PM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: Europa-List: New "constant speed" blade profile offered by Warp Drive for higher speed aircraft Just a heads up that Warp Drive is offering what they call a "constant spee d" blade profile that they claim offers higher speed capability than their standard profile. $60 extra per blade. http:/ /www.warpdriveprops.com I talked to Ron a month or so ago asking him about the scimitar shaped blad es they showed at Oshkosh this year and he said they would be offered in about 12 months. Glen n ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:11 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: New "constant speed" blade profile offered by Warp Drive for higher speed aircraft On Apr 19, 2011, at 8:12 PM, glenn crowder wrote: > Just a heads up that Warp Drive is offering what they call a > "constant speed" blade profile that they claim offers higher speed > capability than their standard profile. $60 extra per blade. http://www.warpdriveprops.com Hey Glennster, Is that your ship in the Warpdrive catalogue?...Looks like you got around to painting your cowl...please send me some pixs...! Fred do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:40 PM PST US From: Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 TACH/EMSD-10 Hi I have aquestion from the same drawer: on the backside of the electric REV-counter there are tree pins marked #1, #2 and #3 - the 914 delivers output to the rev-counter in wire 26 and 13, but I can't find any documentation saying wich wire on wich pin .... Gert OY-GDS - Mono and 914 Den 19/04/2011 kl. 22.17 skrev Fergus Kyle: > Cheers, > > Today=92s challenge is finding the wires which produce the RPM, hopefully. With 52 years into Amateur Radio licence, I=92m having trouble sensing the meaning if the =93electric=92 tach on the 914 to hook up with my Dynon EMSD10 screen. The circuit diagram seems meagre to me. > > The diagram on 914 Installation manual, p75 shows wires 26 and 13 magically feeding a tachometer of sorts - #26 is attached to its negative terminal and #13 attached to some other one undetermined. A third terminal on the tach gets 12Vdc. I have arranged 26&13 to connect but can=92t comprehend the EMS connections to them. I suspect one goes to ground and one to the #32 EMS wire. > > Am I correct? Your thoughts gratefully received. > > Ferg > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.