---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/06/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:18 AM - Re: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (Brian Davies) 2. 04:14 AM - Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (Remi Guerner) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Blocked fuel filter (Remi Guerner) 4. 06:54 AM - Radiator (John Cliff) 5. 07:08 AM - LANDING SONAR (Fergus Kyle) 6. 08:54 AM - Re: Door wedges??? (Fred Klein) 7. 08:56 AM - Re: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (Fred Klein) 8. 10:15 AM - Re: LANDING SONAR (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 10:15 AM - Re: Door wedges??? (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 10. 10:41 AM - Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (europapa) 11. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (Brian Davies) 12. 01:02 PM - Re: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (Paul McAllister) 13. 02:02 PM - Re: Radiator (Richard Collings) 14. 02:40 PM - Fuel Tank Capacity (John Greenhalgh) 15. 03:04 PM - Re: Radiator (Robert Borger) 16. 03:10 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Capacity (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 17. 03:13 PM - Re: Fuel Tank Capacity (Tim Ward) 18. 10:27 PM - Re: LANDING SONAR (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:26 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent I agree with Karl. Stick to what is recommended by Europa (basically auto fuel injection hose), cover it with Firesleeve forward of the firewall, and don't forget to save the fuel restrictor buried in the fuel return line if you replace that one. In the UK it is recommended that all rubber hoses are changed every five years. Regards Brian Davies From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: 05 May 2011 22:55 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent Juergen, I don't think anyone ever had that kind of a problem before. Is there not an engine/airframe logbook from the previous owner ? It should have information about fuel hose changes. Anyway, many owners use fuel injection hose from your local autoparts store, 6 or 8mm internal diameter as needed. Forget about the steel braiding. Replace at least all sections which have the same type as the defective hose. It is quite easy. Karl > Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent > From: jubu@onlinehome.de > Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 14:28:37 -0700 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > a brief update: > > yesterday I got my Europa back as repaired. > They said they test flyed it and everything has been OK. > My attempt ended after 3 minutes with an other forced landing. > (Looks like I'm getting used to it). > I went angry and together with an mechanic of the workshop we tried to localize the prob step by step. > The fuel pressure was sometimes good, sometimes to low and sometimes just not existent, without having changed anything. > After tree hours we suddenly had nearly no pass through the hose from the electrical fuel pump to the mechanical pump. > The hose is "delaminating" on the inside and is so more or less affecting the fuel flow. This inconsistency of the blockage made it that hard to understand. > Now I have got an question concerning the choice for the right tube. > The builder used half the way a rubber tube which is coated with stainless steel fabric. This hose is followed by a rubber hose with a thicker wall (that goes through the firewall ). > I myself hate those many useless junctions between different hoses, not knowing what they are good for. > Is there a good reason why I cant use the "stainless steel" hose from the tank all the way to the mechanical pump? > Hope you could understand what I'm trying to say in my poor English. > > Juergen > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339041#339041 > > > Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, >======================= > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent From: "Remi Guerner" Juergen, The stainless steel braided hose originally supplied with the kit, has been notorious for craking, leaking etc... In your case I would replace ALL flexible fuel lines. Note that the general rule is to replace rubber hose every 5 years. On my aircraft I am using GATES 3225 automotive fuel lines. I replaced them last year after 5 years and found them to be in very good shape. Regards Remi F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339089#339089 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:19 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Blocked fuel filter From: "Remi Guerner" Mike, I am also using the Katana fuel pressure switch. Attached pic shows the Bosch P/N. I have not found any other solution than buying it from Diamond and it cost me around 100 Euros, as far as I remember. Same looking Bosch pressure switches sell for less than 10 Euros but they are rated for oil pressure, that is ten times what we need. The other picture shows the intallation on the firewall of my aircraft. The switch is on the left side of the picture. On the top is the UMA fuel pressure sensor. The right fuel line comes from the tee on the carb fuel line. The bottom fuel line goes back to the tank and includes the restrictor. Regards Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339091#339091 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p5080006a_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3100005_174.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:47 AM PST US From: John Cliff Subject: Europa-List: Radiator I am trying to fit the (water) radiator to the cooling duct [XS engine kit], but the radiator is not as wide as the duct. If placed to one side of the duct there is a gap of about an inch at the other side. The manuual says to attach the radiator to the side plates with short AN3 bolts (and -4 nuts !), which clearly will not work. Am I missing something here, are they all like that, do I have the right radiator (it in unmarked but about 315mm wide, just over 12"), or what ? John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:06 AM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: Europa-List: LANDING SONAR Cheers, I was reviewing the door 'anti-bulge' reference in today's list when the adjacent "random image" featured the above topic which I espoused lo, that many years ago. I forgot to see who originated the image because it referred to measuring height-above-runway from 6 inches to about 6 feet. My enthusiasm was peaked because the stall speed (+/- 40kt) equated to the speed of rudder authority loss. The whole idea being to stall her on tail first to acquire directional authority on touchdown. I had thought there were too many incidents of mono's veering off the landing strip through loss of control. I beg whoever authored that image to contact me as have built but not tested the device and am sure I've missed something, please. Ferg out of the spare bedroom this month ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:33 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door wedges??? On May 5, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Kingsley Hurst wrote: > > Note that the door part latches over the sill part on the inside face. > > Kingsley...for the life of me, I can't get my mind around what you've done and how it keeps the door from bulging out...Could you help orient me to your photos #1 and #2? Thanks, Fred ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:30 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent On May 6, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Brian Davies wrote: > In the UK it is recommended that all rubber hoses are changed every > five years. Brian, I'm wondering if this recommendation applies to the R9 hose w/ the blue teflon lining...(?) Fred ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:34 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: LANDING SONAR Ferg=0AWas it Graham Clarke, G-EMIN? He proposed a "white stick" hinged to drop down =0Awhen the gear went down and touch the ground first. He also wo rked with sonar I =0Abelieve and installed a fuel gauge that used a surplus ASI.. He stopped flying =0Ayears ago due to health reasons, his knees were wearing out when he rigged the =0Aaircraft single handed. Very clever guy. =0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Fergus Kyle < VE3LVO@rac.ca>=0ATo: 5EUROPALIST =0ASent: Frida y, 6 May, 2011 15:05:40=0ASubject: Europa-List: LANDING SONAR=0A=0ALANDING SONAR =0ACheers, =0A I was reviewing the door=98anti-bulge =99reference in today=99s list when the =0Aadjacent=9Crandom image=9Dfeatured the above topic which I espoused lo, that many =0Aye ars ago.=0A I forgot to see who originated the image because it refe rred to =0Ameasuring height-above-runway from 6 inches to about 6 feet. My enthusiasm was =0Apeaked because the stall speed (+/-40kt) equated to the s peed of rudder =0Aauthority loss. The whole idea being to stall her on tail firstto acquire =0Adirectional authority on touchdown. I had thought there were too many incidents =0Aof mono=99s veering off the landing strip through loss of control.=0A I beg whoever authored that image to con tact me as have built but not =0Atested the device and am sure I=99ve missed something, please.=0AFerg=0Aout of the spare bedroom this month=0A ============ =0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:34 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Door wedges??? Fred=0Athe door flexes enough to let the wedges slide over each other and l atch. When =0Athe shoot bolts are engaged the door can't flex so=0Ait won't bulge out and suck your sleeve into the gap. I was flying one hot day =0Aa nd had the vents open and couldn't work out who was tugging at my sleeve at =0A4000 ft.!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFro m: Fred Klein =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASe nt: Friday, 6 May, 2011 16:50:04=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Door wedges??? =0A=0A=0A=0AOn May 5, 2011, at 10:30 PM, Kingsley Hurst wrote:=0A=0A>Note t hat the door part latches over the sill part on the inside face.=0A>=0A>=0A=0AKingsley...for the life of me, I can't get my mind around what you've done and =0Ahow it keeps the door from bulging out...Could you help orient me to your photos =0A#1 and #2?=0A=0AThanks,=0A ================= =0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent From: "europapa" the five years expire this June and after all that trouble I will surely replace all the hoses. The steel braided hose before and after the electrical pump is grounded so I wonder this is necessary for a good reason and they cant be replaced by all rubber hoses. Reading about all the problems concerning flexible hoses I ask my self if it would not be better to use tubes ( aluminum or copper ). This Sunday I will replace all my fuel hoses. Thank you all for your assistance Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339133#339133 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:27:20 PM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent I don't know the official answer to that, Fred, but I suspect the five year limit is because it is not possible to inspect the inside of a rubber hose. Of course, you can inspect the outer sheath for enbrittlement and cracking. If I had a teflon lined hose I would be inclined to visually inspect it rather than change every five years, but that is just my opinion. Regards Brian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 06 May 2011 16:54 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent On May 6, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Brian Davies wrote: In the UK it is recommended that all rubber hoses are changed every five years. Brian, I'm wondering if this recommendation applies to the R9 hose w/ the blue teflon lining...(?) Fred ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent From: Paul McAllister Well if it helps I replaced all my hoses after 5 years. I used Gates Fuel Injection hose for the original installation and they seemed in perfect condition when I replaced them. I never did use the metal braided hose that came with the kit, by the time I got to that part of the build there was enough evidence around to suggest that they were not fit for purpose. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Brian Davies wrote: > I don't know the official answer to that, Fred, but I suspect the five year > limit is because it is not possible to inspect the inside of a rubber hose. > Of course, you can inspect the outer sheath for enbrittlement and cracking. > If I had a teflon lined hose I would be inclined to visually inspect it > rather than change every five years, but that is just my opinion. > > > Regards > > > Brian > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:05 PM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radiator Hi John I also found the duct to be wider than the rad so I made up 2 distance piece plates out of commercial aluminium and mounted one each side on the outside of the rads mounting brackets, I then drilled through the lot to fit fixing bolts. Good luck Richard nfcliff@googlemail.com> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: Europa-List: Radiator > > I am trying to fit the (water) radiator to the cooling duct [XS engine > kit], but the radiator is not as wide as the duct. If placed to one side > of the duct there is a gap of about an inch at the other side. The > manuual says to attach the radiator to the side plates with short AN3 > bolts (and -4 nuts !), which clearly will not work. > > Am I missing something here, are they all like that, do I have the right > radiator (it in unmarked but about 315mm wide, just over 12"), or what ? > > John Cliff > #0259 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:43 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity From: John Greenhalgh I'm in the process of calibrating my fuel tank and would like to know what the reserve tank capacity and the overall tank capacity including the reserve. Any information would be much appreciated. Regards John ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Radiator From: Robert Borger John, Same on my engine installation. I made up 4 spacers of the appropriate size to center the radiator in the duct from aluminum tubing and used anchor nuts on the inner surfaces of the flange on the radiator to catch the AN3 bolts needed to hold every thing in place. I also used silicone baffle material to close the gaps on the sides and make sure the airflow goes through the radiator and not around it. Blue skies and tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046 Europa Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On May 6, 2011, at 8:51, John Cliff wrote: > > I am trying to fit the (water) radiator to the cooling duct [XS engine kit], but the radiator is not as wide as the duct. If placed to one side of the duct there is a gap of about an inch at the other side. The manuual says to attach the radiator to the side plates with short AN3 bolts (and -4 nuts !), which clearly will not work. > > Am I missing something here, are they all like that, do I have the right radiator (it in unmarked but about 315mm wide, just over 12"), or what ? > > John Cliff > #0259 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:16 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi John, In our monowheel XS the tank holds 18.5 gallons with the fuel a few inches from the top of the filler neck. The tank splits at the tunnel at about 5 gallons, with 2.5 in the reserve side. Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenhalgh Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:38 PM Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity I'm in the process of calibrating my fuel tank and would like to know what the reserve tank capacity and the overall tank capacity including the reserve. Any information would be much appreciated. Regards John ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:44 PM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity John, I have a total capacity 65.5 litres, 18 litres is the total amount in the two compartments either side of the saddles, which means 9 litres reserve. There is a further 2 litres up the fuel intake corbra etc. Tim Tim Ward, 12 Waiwetu Street, Fendalton, Christchurch 8052 New Zealand Ph; 03 3515166 Mob; 0210640221 email; ward.t@xtra.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: John Greenhalgh Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity I'm in the process of calibrating my fuel tank and would like to know what the reserve tank capacity and the overall tank capacity including the reserve. Any information would be much appreciated. Regards John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:52 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: LANDING SONAR From: "rparigoris" Hi Ferg It was one of my pics you saw. Here is album: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28834 System is working but still needs a little tweaking. It was built as per the information you provided, but needed an awful lot of changes and tweaking to get it semi working. 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