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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Capacity (graeme bird)
2. 12:35 AM - Re: How many gallons of paint? (graeme bird)
3. 10:09 AM - Re: Door wedges??? (Kingsley Hurst)
4. 10:13 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Capacity (Tim Ward)
5. 10:37 AM - Re: Europa fuel tank capacity (PHILLIPS I)
6. 10:42 AM - Re: Door wedges??? (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
7. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Capacity (PHILLIPS I)
8. 02:00 PM - Re: Europa fuel tank capacity (keith hickling)
9. 02:04 PM - Re: Door wedges??? (Fred Klein)
10. 08:44 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank Capacity (Bud Yerly)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Capacity |
I have just filled and calibrated my tank for the first time and I set the single
electronic gauge at full when I had filled 65 ltrs. I also have a sight gauge
off each side but I have to say the levels were not that convincing. I filled
5 ltrs at a time. I then pumped/syphoned most of it out after doing the electric
pump flow test (it just continues to flow once started). The electric gauge
seemed right but again the sight tubes weren't that convincing.
I expected the starboard reserve to fill first, which it did.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Build nearing completion
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| Subject: | Re: How many gallons of paint? |
These were the quantities David Steade used, mentioned in a post re spraying.
David Steade has been very useful, apparently the recommended paint is a 2K polyurethane
Aerodur from Paxa in the UK (or Europa) C21/100UVR and primer 37045
(he used 8lts of top and 10 ltrs primer plus hardener S66/22R (13) and thinner
C25/90S (15).
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Build nearing completion
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| Subject: | Re: Door wedges??? |
> Kingsley...for the life of me, I can't get my mind around what you've
done and how it keeps the door from bulging out...Could you help orient
me to your photos #1 and #2?
Sorry if I confused you Fred . . . . I hope the attached will be easier
to follow.
Bear in mind my honourable friend, I don't know if I really needed these
devices but I did them anyway if for no other reason than to satisfy my
determination to take 20 yrs to build the aircraft !!
Cheers
Kingsley
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Capacity |
Bob,
You may well be right. I do remember shutting off the starboard out and
draining the tank through the
port outlet leaving 9 litres left in the starboard compartment as a reserve.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward,
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch 8052
New Zealand
Ph; 03 3515166
Mob; 0210640221
email; ward.t@xtra.co.nz
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Harrison
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity
Hi! Tim
I have to question your statement that the "two tank bottoms either side of
the saddle totalling 18 litres" means 9 litres in the reserve. It is my
belief that the starboard side is the smaller of the two sides so only an
actual measure will provide the correct reserve amount? Either way it is
best not assumed but remove any doubt by doing a measure.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 06 May 2011 23:11
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity
John,
I have a total capacity 65.5 litres, 18 litres is the total amount in the
two compartments either side of the saddles, which means
9 litres reserve. There is a further 2 litres up the fuel intake corbra etc.
Tim
Tim Ward,
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch 8052
New Zealand
Ph; 03 3515166
Mob; 0210640221
email; ward.t@xtra.co.nz
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenhalgh
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:37 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Tank Capacity
<john.greenhalgh1@sky.com>
I'm in the process of calibrating my fuel tank and would like to know
what the reserve tank capacity and the overall tank capacity including
the reserve.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Regards John
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| Subject: | Re: Europa fuel tank capacity |
Hi John
Before i fitted my tank ((XS tri-Gear) i check its capacity including the
Plastic cobra,
Results are using the avelec fuel gauge,
the first mark on the gauge means 15 litre is used 3/4 position means 23
litre is used the third mark means 31 litre is used, at the half mark 37
litres are gone, fifth mark 46 litres
ane at the 1/4 mark 51 litre's are gone, at the 1/8 mark 58 litres have bit
the dust,
The main tank has a capacity of 66 litres, the filler neck (Cobra) has a 4
litre capacity
and the reserve side has a capacity of 9 1/2 litres,
So my tank has 70 Litres in total with a 9 1/2 litres reserve,
Regards
Ivor
G-IVER
On 7 May 2011 09:56, John Greenhalgh <john.greenhalgh1@sky.com> wrote:
> john.greenhalgh1@sky.com>
>
> I'm in the process of calibrating my fuel tank and would like to know
> what the reserve tank capacity and the overall tank capacity including
> the reserve.
>
> Any information would be much appreciated.
>
> Regards John
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Door wedges??? |
Excellent sketch Kingsley. 20 years? I needed 4 years to build my Long EZ,
then =0Ait took another 15 to refurbish it and fit another engine. (NO, not
a twin!)=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom
: Kingsley Hurst <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Sunday, 8 May, 2011 3:53:30=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Door wedge
s???=0A=0A =0A> Kingsley...for the life of me, I can't get my mind around
what you've done and =0A>how it keeps the door from bulging out...Could yo
u help orient me to your =0A>photos #1 and #2?=0A =0ASorry if I confused yo
u Fred . . . . I hope the attached will be easier to =0Afollow.=0A =0ABear
in mind my honourable friend, I don't know if I really needed these =0Ade
vices but I did them anyway if for no other reason than to satisfy my =0Ad
etermination to take 20 yrs to build the aircraft !!=0A =0ACheers=0AKingsl
ey
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Capacity |
Graeme
I have found my sight tube to be next to useless when airborne but works
well when filling on on the ground ( Tri Gear) I filled mine at 1 Litre at
a time and marked the tube
in 5 litre's increments, the fuel gauge (avelec) in my case is very accurate
but i prefer
Fuel flow used to give me reassurance when running low on the main tank.
regards
Ivor
G-IVER
On 8 May 2011 08:25, graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I have just filled and calibrated my tank for the first time and I set the
> single electronic gauge at full when I had filled 65 ltrs. I also have a
> sight gauge off each side but I have to say the levels were not that
> convincing. I filled 5 ltrs at a time. I then pumped/syphoned most of it out
> after doing the electric pump flow test (it just continues to flow once
> started). The electric gauge seemed right but again the sight tubes weren't
> that convincing.
> I expected the starboard reserve to fill first, which it did.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
> Build nearing completion
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339195#339195
>
>
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| Subject: | Europa fuel tank capacity |
I'm pretty sure that the manual says the reserve side contains 12
litres, but I haven't measured it.
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand.
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I'm in the process of calibrating my fuel tank and would like to know
what the reserve tank capacity and the overall tank capacity including
the reserve.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Regards John
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| Subject: | Re: Door wedges??? |
Kingsley,
Your sketch saved (at least) 1000 words...thank you.
I was having trouble orienting my mind to your photos, and I'd fixed
in my mind the notion that the chamfers were relevant.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Capacity |
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Ivor and all,
The original Classic tank in N139AB held 2.5 gallons in each saddle.
The tank itself when filled up to the upper level of the boss (fuel
inlet with that horrible old hose) which means a slight amount of fuel
in the filler tube, held 18 gallons.
The XS 2000-2004 with the horrible depression in the top of the tank
also held 18 gallons.
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in the front of the tank, unless there is some shacking and tail lifting
involved.
The last set of tanks made with the diagonal reinforcement molded in the
back (thanks to Roger and John), have a very flat top and is wider by
some 1/2 inch or so. On replacing the original tank in N12AY (which
cracked) with this new tank, my capacities are the same on the reserve
side and main at 2.5 gallons each. The total capacity of the tank in
the tri gear N12AY is 20 US gallons. This has been checked and verified
three times and frankly welcomed on cross country. The fuel level at 20
gallons in the filler neck is 1/2 way up the tube. Gary Leinberger's is
the same way after his tank swap.
The CFC modified fuel sight gauge (see " A sight gauge that really
works" at
www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/>)
works both in flight or on the ground. Keep in mind, in the standard
fuel system, the vents on the top of the aircraft cause some low
pressure problems pulling the fuel in the sight gauge off a bit in
flight, as does acceleration, deck angle etc. making it less than
repeatable and accurate. Also, most inaccuracies in any sight gauge
come from fuel trapped in the vent side of the site gauge (see crude
drawing below). The indicated reading on the site gauge is greatly
affected by this trapped fuel either with the CFC modified sight gauge
or the standard. Being human, we run the sight gauge line with some
areas that run down hill a bit and cause fuel to be trapped as it is
tough to get fuel across the panel bottom, down the side, then up the
windscreen and down the top to the vent. If this installation is done
perfectly so it traps no fuel, the standard sight gauge is reasonably
accurate. Retrofitting the CFC line is no picnic either if the tank
buts up against the top of the tank compartment or a lot of foam is used
on the top of the tank...
N12AY is equipped with JPI fuel totalizer, a sight gauge and a
capacitance fuel probe. Only the capacitance fuel probe has been a
problem when changing from ethanol enhanced fuel, to and from AV gas.
Ah to have the float gauge. One piece of equipment I carry in my
aircraft is a short piece of 1/4 inch hose to blow air down into the
sight gauge vent in the filler neck to remove any trapped fuel if I find
it inaccurate after spirited flying, turbulence or overfilling.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: PHILLIPS I<mailto:ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Tank Capacity
Graeme
I have found my sight tube to be next to useless when airborne but
works well when filling on on the ground ( Tri Gear) I filled mine at 1
Litre at a time and marked the tube
in 5 litre's increments, the fuel gauge (avelec) in my case is very
accurate but i prefer
Fuel flow used to give me reassurance when running low on the main
tank.
regards
Ivor
G-IVER
On 8 May 2011 08:25, graeme bird
<graeme@gdbmk.co.uk<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>> wrote:
<graeme@gdbmk.co.uk<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>>
I have just filled and calibrated my tank for the first time and I
set the single electronic gauge at full when I had filled 65 ltrs. I
also have a sight gauge off each side but I have to say the levels were
not that convincing. I filled 5 ltrs at a time. I then pumped/syphoned
most of it out after doing the electric pump flow test (it just
continues to flow once started). The electric gauge seemed right but
again the sight tubes weren't that convincing.
I expected the starboard reserve to fill first, which it did.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP
Build nearing completion
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