Europa-List Digest Archive

Fri 05/13/11


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:52 AM - Mono landing gear (Mike Gamble)
     2. 04:56 AM - Re: Blocked fuel filter (tennant)
     3. 05:37 AM - Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (tennant)
     4. 05:50 AM - Re: Denmark suspends ..Schengen Agreement....? likley effects on (tennant)
     5. 06:18 AM - Crimping wires (Fergus Kyle)
     6. 06:26 AM - Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent (europapa)
     7. 07:56 AM - Re: Mono landing gear (JonSmith)
     8. 09:39 AM - Bus bar (William Daniell)
     9. 10:02 AM - Re: Bus bar (David Joyce)
    10. 10:17 AM - Re: Bus bar (Michel AUVRAY)
    11. 11:09 AM - Re: Bus bar (Alan Burrill)
    12. 12:19 PM - Re: Bus bar (rparigoris)
    13. 04:07 PM - Re: Bus bar (Frans Veldman)
    14. 06:22 PM - Re: Bus bar (Kingsley Hurst)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:52:59 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Gamble" <mp.gamble@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Mono landing gear
    On assembly The M8x100 bolts and their nyloc nuts were tightened to bring the upper and lower plates LG05 and07 together until their upper and lower bushes were 5 =BC=92=92 apart. I now notice that, with the aircraft weight on the wheel, there is a gap of about =BD=92=92 between the lower plate and the nut. I suppose that this is to be expected as the polyurethane block compresses but are others seeing the same amount of slack here? Mike XS Mono G-CFMP


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    Time: 04:56:45 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Blocked fuel filter
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    Hi Mike & Remi, Mike, I am sorry but I have been traveling. You got your answer from Remi though. Remi, Good to see that you are using the self rounding hose clamps like me. The "Jubilee clips" that the works supplied were pretty useless!! Have a good weekend. Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339735#339735


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    Time: 05:37:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    Hi Juergen, Where are you living & where is your plane. Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339737#339737


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    Time: 05:50:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Denmark suspends ..Schengen Agreement....? likley effects
    on
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    Hi Bob, It will still be easier to get into Denmark that the UK. At least they do not have the B.S. of registering with the CAA every time & counting the number of days the aircraft is in the country. But you are right about our pols. ignoring the problem. Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339739#339739


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    Time: 06:18:48 AM PST US
    From: Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
    Subject: Crimping wires
    Cheers, I began crimping with this project because I had been told that my last airliner was almost exclusively crimp-worthy. Too late I discovered the fastest and most secure (a feeling) method for signal; wires - of which I have several pleths (a plethora) - and the easy use of D-sub connectors and BandC solid pins and sockets. While vibration prevention is still a challenge, I found the connecting through, say, DE-9s was fast and efficient using the RCT-3 was the quickest and most accurate tool. As well consideration of manipulating AWG#22 wires is still a problem. I'm sure there must be equivalents on the eastern shore...... BandC Specialty Products/Electrical/Tools/RCT-3 Ferg Kyle PS: I admit to having an investment in the above firm (they kept sending tools I ordered) but nothing more.....


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    Time: 06:26:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel pressure problem, urgent
    From: "europapa" <jubu@onlinehome.de>
    Hi Barry, I live near Ulm Donau and my D-EBOA is located at EDPA. Juergen Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339744#339744


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    Time: 07:56:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mono landing gear
    From: "JonSmith" <jonsmitheuropa@tiscali.co.uk>
    Hi Mike, this sounds totally normal I think. When you set up the rubber block assembly to the quoted distance (the later xs manual now states 79mm between the faces of the retraction plates - this is the equivalent of the earlier method of measuring but easier to measure) there's no weight of the aircraft on the assembly of course so the block is fully extended, constrained to it's maximum extension of 79mm by the 2 nuts and bolts. When it's all assembled and the aircraft is sitting on it's wheel the rubber is compressed (the reaction plates come closer together) and this movement is catered for by the bolts sliding up/ down through the holes in the upper and lower reaction plates. As soon as the weight comes off the wheel then the block will extend to it's maximum amount again as limited by the bolts. When I bought my Europa (didn't build it) the first time I looked up inside the wheel well and saw these two bolts loose and apparently "nearly undone" I thought the whole assembly was falling apart until I realized how the system worked. On my plane I replaced the rubber block this winter as age was taking it's toll and the plane was sitting a bit low. Once dismantled I compared the old and new blocks (uncompressed) side by side and the old one was at least 1 cm shallower than the new one due to years of compression and loss of elasticity I guess. My plane now sits that much higher on it's wheel and so the distance between my nut/ bolt heads and the plates is correspondingly less. Cheers, Jon -------- G-TERN Classic Mono Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339754#339754


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    Time: 09:39:51 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Bus bar
    Can anyone send me a picture of their bus bar/advise me on the best option. The ones that come with the Europa wiring kit seem to be plastic domestic terminal blocks with one side (as it were) liked by wires/ring terminals (Crimped not soldered ;-)). the wiring seems to me to add another point of failure whereas a straight copper bar would eliminate this - indeed one of the crimped connections was not crimped and I had to redo it. Thanks Will


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    Time: 10:02:03 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Bus bar
    William, Mine are brass bars pre-drilled to take bolts for ring terminals. The positive one has a plastic cover over it. The system has worked well. Unfortunately I can't remember where they came from! regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:36 PM Subject: Europa-List: Bus bar > > Can anyone send me a picture of their bus bar/advise me on the best > option. > > The ones that come with the Europa wiring kit seem to be plastic domestic > terminal blocks with one side (as it were) liked by wires/ring terminals > (Crimped not soldered ;-)). > > the wiring seems to me to add another point of failure whereas a straight > copper bar would eliminate this - indeed one of the crimped connections > was > not crimped and I had to redo it. > > Thanks > > Will > > >


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    Time: 10:17:33 AM PST US
    From: Michel AUVRAY <mau11@free.fr>
    Subject: Re: Bus bar
    Le 13/05/2011 18:36, William Daniell a crit : > --> Europa-List message posted by: "William Daniell"<wdaniell@etb.net.co> > > Can anyone send me a picture of their bus bar/advise me on the best option. > > The ones that come with the Europa wiring kit seem to be plastic domestic > terminal blocks with one side (as it were) liked by wires/ring terminals > (Crimped not soldered ;-)). > > the wiring seems to me to add another point of failure whereas a straight > copper bar would eliminate this - indeed one of the crimped connections was > not crimped and I had to redo it. > > Thanks > > Will > > Will, I send to you a PDF drawing of my bus bar off this forum Good evening -- --|-- --------(*)-------- Michel AUVRAY mau11@free.fr


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    Time: 11:09:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bus bar
    From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    I bought some brass bar from the local DIY Store B&Q, in UK, drilled and tapped them myself. Alan On 13 May 2011, at 17:36, William Daniell wrote: > > Can anyone send me a picture of their bus bar/advise me on the best option. > > The ones that come with the Europa wiring kit seem to be plastic domestic > terminal blocks with one side (as it were) liked by wires/ring terminals > (Crimped not soldered ;-)). > > the wiring seems to me to add another point of failure whereas a straight > copper bar would eliminate this - indeed one of the crimped connections was > not crimped and I had to redo it. > > Thanks > > Will > > > > >


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    Time: 12:19:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bus bar
    From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Will Some bus info: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30683 Worth looking here too at flat thin copper wire, connectors and port negative inter ground wire connector/bus: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=30710 Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=339794#339794


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    Time: 04:07:32 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Bus bar
    On 05/13/2011 06:36 PM, William Daniell wrote: > Can anyone send me a picture of their bus bar/advise me on the best option. I just put a few bolts through the firewall. One bolt is connected to ground, another to the 12 Volt power. On these bolts I can hook as many ring terminals as I want, on the engine side as well as on the cabin side. The amount of connections is only limited by the length of the bolts. ;-) And the maximum current is determined by the diameter of the bolt. An AN3 will transfer more than enough current. It is simple, economic, fail proof, light weight, it solves the problem to get the power through the firewall, etc. > the wiring seems to me to add another point of failure whereas a straight > copper bar would eliminate this - A bolt is just as good as a bar. And to fix the bar you need two bolts anyway. ;-) Frans


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    Time: 06:22:38 PM PST US
    From: "Kingsley Hurst" <kingsnjan@westnet.com.au>
    Subject: Re: Bus bar
    Will, As with so many things in life nowadays, there are many alternatives. I chose the Bussmann fuse block as depicted in the following link. This unit has its own bus bar (dual bus if required) that feeds up to 32 fuses. Mine is the 20 fuse model. Only one wire needs to come through the firewall or two if separate feeds are required for the dual bus. http://www.aeroelectric.com/Mfgr_Data/Fuses_and_Current_Limiters/Bussman/15710_Fuse_Panel.pdf I fitted mine as per the attached. Cheers Kingsley




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