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1. 12:56 AM - Share for sale ()
2. 01:43 AM - Re: Share for sale (pestar)
3. 02:01 AM - Re: Re: Share for sale ()
4. 05:24 AM - Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (MalcolmH)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (David Joyce)
6. 06:27 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (Bob Harrison)
7. 07:50 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (Frans Veldman)
8. 08:29 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (Richard Wheelwright)
9. 10:08 AM - Sale of Europa XS (Hans J. Danielsen)
10. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Share for sale (craig)
11. 02:51 PM - Re: Share for sale" (Bill Sisley)
12. 08:52 PM - Europa Design Trailer Question (Martin Tuck)
13. 10:23 PM - Re: Share for sale" ()
14. 11:02 PM - Re: Europa Design Trailer Question (nigel henry)
15. 11:45 PM - Re: Europa Design Trailer Question (JonSmith)
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After 15 years of immense fun, regretfully I have to sell my share in
G-BVLV due to our pending emigration to New Zealand.
Based at Bidford on Avon England, this has got to be one of the cheapest
ways to fly. =C2=A370 a month covers all the standing cost=99s and
leaves a surplus in the kitty. No hourly rate, just put your petrol in
and go flying. Stored in a box trailer with one man rigging aids, 15
minuets to rig ready to fly, or leave rigged ready to go.
My 1/4 share for sale =C2=A37000 including the trailer and all
equipment, spares, tools etc.
Any interest, email me off forum jim.naylor@talktalk.net or phone 01386
446870.
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Subject: | Re: Share for sale |
Bring it with you and join the already merry throng off Europa's in NZ.
>From one who has a DynAero MCR-4S, yes I know it is sacrilege.
Cheers Peter
Auckland, New Zealand
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Subject: | Re: Share for sale |
Did consider it, but to much hassle and expense.
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From: pestar
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:40 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale
Bring it with you and join the already merry throng off Europa's in NZ.
>From one who has a DynAero MCR-4S, yes I know it is sacrilege.
Cheers Peter
Auckland, New Zealand
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Subject: | Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall |
The manual states that:
"A single AN3-5A bolt screws the side of the duct onto the inside of the footwell
using an MS21047 -3 anchor nut, installed in reverse into the footwell to make
it nearly flush".
Can somebody please explain 'anchor nut, installed in reverse' I've searched the
Gallery and the forums but have no idea what this means.
I appreciate that because of lack of access within the footwell the rivet holes
for the anchor nut would have to be drilled from the outside. Is this all that
is implied?
Kind Regards
Malcolm
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Subject: | Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall |
Malcolm, I think it means that you sink the tower bit of the anchor nut into
the composite layer, rather than having it stand proud of the surface as you
normally would - which would produce a protrusion to catch your foot on. It
means that only the flange part of the anchor nut + a bit of rivet (
preferably the smooth bit) would be above the surface to stick into you or
whatever floor/sidewall covering you install.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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From: "MalcolmH" <mhendra@f2s.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:20 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall
>
> The manual states that:
>
> "A single AN3-5A bolt screws the side of the duct onto the inside of the
> footwell using an MS21047 -3 anchor nut, installed in reverse into the
> footwell to make it nearly flush".
>
> Can somebody please explain 'anchor nut, installed in reverse' I've
> searched the Gallery and the forums but have no idea what this means.
>
> I appreciate that because of lack of access within the footwell the rivet
> holes for the anchor nut would have to be drilled from the outside. Is
> this all that is implied?
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Malcolm
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340257#340257
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>
>
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Subject: | Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall |
Hi! Malcolm
It means that the reverse side of the anchor nut will need sinking into the
fire wall so that the bolt/screws will screw into and any excess threads of
the bolt will also disappear into the fire wall and so absorb the thickness
of the anchor nut. In other words simply turn the anchor not over then fix
it with the pop rivets. I also suggest using a dab of redux into the rivet
holes and finally "pull them down" when it has set.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MalcolmH
Sent: 18 May 2011 13:21
Subject: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall
The manual states that:
"A single AN3-5A bolt screws the side of the duct onto the inside of the
footwell using an MS21047 -3 anchor nut, installed in reverse into the
footwell to make it nearly flush".
Can somebody please explain 'anchor nut, installed in reverse' I've searched
the Gallery and the forums but have no idea what this means.
I appreciate that because of lack of access within the footwell the rivet
holes for the anchor nut would have to be drilled from the outside. Is this
all that is implied?
Kind Regards
Malcolm
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Subject: | Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall |
On 05/18/2011 03:24 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:
> It means that the reverse side of the anchor nut will need sinking into the
> fire wall so that the bolt/screws will screw into and any excess threads of
> the bolt will also disappear into the fire wall and so absorb the thickness
> of the anchor nut. In other words simply turn the anchor not over then fix
> it with the pop rivets.
That is how it is intended.
But I think this is a bad practice. In normal use, the rivets are just
there to prevent the anchor nut from turning while fastening the bolt,
and to keep the anchor nut from falling out when the bolt is removed. In
normal use, once the bolt is fastened, the rivets are free of load. You
could take let the rivets disappear and nothing would happen.
Now mount the anchor nut in reverse... and in this situation the whole
strength of the assembly relies on these two tiny rivets. If you pull on
the bolt, the load is transferred to the rivets and they are the weakest
link. Compared to the AN-3 bolt, the rivets are very very weak.
So, I did not use this method at all. (In fact, I scrapped the entire
cooling duct, but this is an entirely different matter).
Frans
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Subject: | Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall |
With some carefull measuring you-may be able to-drill all the way throu
gh and use nut and bolt with large washer-on the inside.=0A=0A-and miss
the-rudder pedal-flat surfaces. Job dun.=0A-=0A=======
==============0A=0ARichard Wheelwright=0A==
===================0A=0AFrom: Frans Vel
dman <frans@privatepilots.nl>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wedne
sday, 18 May 2011, 15:46=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting
rivatepilots.nl>=0A=0AOn 05/18/2011 03:24 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:=0A=0A> It
means that the reverse side of the anchor nut will need sinking into the
=0A> fire wall so that the bolt/screws will screw into and any excess threa
ds of=0A> the bolt will also disappear into the fire wall and so absorb the
thickness=0A> of the anchor nut. In other words simply turn the anchor not
over then fix=0A> it with the pop rivets.=0A=0AThat is how it is intended.
=0ABut I think this is a bad practice. In normal use, the rivets are just
=0Athere to prevent the anchor nut from turning while fastening the bolt,
=0Aand to keep the anchor nut from falling out when the bolt is removed. In
=0Anormal use, once the bolt is fastened, the rivets are free of load. You
=0Acould take let the rivets disappear and nothing would happen.=0A=0ANow m
ount the anchor nut in reverse... and in this situation the whole=0Astrengt
h of the assembly relies on these two tiny rivets. If you pull on=0Athe bol
t, the load is transferred to the rivets and they are the weakest=0Alink. C
ompared to the AN-3 bolt, the rivets are very very weak.=0A=0ASo, I did not
use this method at all. (In fact, I scrapped the entire=0Acooling duct, bu
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List
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Subject: | Sale of Europa XS |
Hi all.
Due to loss of medical I'm offering my XS, LN-HJD for sale. 27 hours
total, Rotax 914. Norwegian P.t.F. to August 2011. Standard VFR sixpack,
Capacitance Fuel Quant. ind., ICOM 2000 radio. Garmin expndr.
Free delivery to GB and Europe.
Pics and details at http://Inhjd.scassel.se/
Please contact me off forum for further details.
Hans J. Danielsen.
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Subject: | Re: Share for sale |
I don't think they would like him bringing 1/4 of the a/c with him :)
Regards
Craig
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pestar
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:40 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale
Bring it with you and join the already merry throng off Europa's in NZ.
>From one who has a DynAero MCR-4S, yes I know it is sacrilege.
Cheers Peter
Auckland, New Zealand
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Subject: | Re: Share for sale" |
Hi Jim,
What part of NZ are you coming to?
If you are close you can probably still get some Europa time with me.
Sue& Bill Sisley
Mono
914
Airmaster
950hrs
On 18/05/2011 7:52 p.m., jim.naylor@talktalk.net wrote:
> After 15 years of immense fun, regretfully I have to sell my share in
> G-BVLV due to our pending emigration to New Zealand.
> Based at Bidford on Avon England, this has got to be one of the
> cheapest ways to fly. 70 a month covers all the standing costs and
> leaves a surplus in the kitty. No hourly rate, just put your petrol in
> and go flying. Stored in a box trailer with one man rigging aids, 15
> minuets to rig ready to fly, or leave rigged ready to go.
> My 1/4 share for sale 7000 including the trailer and all equipment,
> spares, tools etc.
> Any interest, email me off forum jim.naylor@talktalk.net
> <mailto:jim.naylor@talktalk.net> or phone 01386 446870.
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Europa Design Trailer Question |
Hi Guys,
I've just finished up my annual condition inspection. I have the
aircraft hangared and the only time I use the trailer is when I do my
inspection or otherwise feel the need to take the wings off.
I have an Europa monowheel trailer. I found it just about impossible to
push the aircraft up the incline of the ramp portion of the standard
trailer so I made up an extension ramp which is about 3 feet long and
reduces the slope by half. Even so, I still really struggle to push it
up the incline particularly if I don't have someone to steady the wing.
I'm thinking there has to be an easier way!
I've thought about lifting the aircraft up using a car jack (as I would
do if needed to change the tire) then positioning the ramp under the
wheel suitably blocked into a downward slope so the aircraft could run
'downhill' into position but I thought maybe there is a more elegant
solution out there that others use - from those who trailer their
aircraft all the time. Didn't the brochure claim you could do all this
in five minutes?
I'd be interested in hearing or seeing photos of any other solutions to
this weighty problem.
Regards,
Martin Tuck
N152MT
Wichita, Kansas
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Subject: | Re: Share for sale" |
Hi Bill,
Thanks for your kind offer, we have a house in Mangonui Far North. I fly
a Tecnam out of Kaitaia Aero Club when we are over there, not quite
Europa performance, but very enjoyable for pottering around the local
area.
Regards
Jim
From: Bill Sisley
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Share for sale"
Hi Jim,
What part of NZ are you coming to?
If you are close you can probably still get some Europa time with me.
Sue & Bill SisleyMono
914
Airmaster
950hrs
On 18/05/2011 7:52 p.m., jim.naylor@talktalk.net wrote:
After 15 years of immense fun, regretfully I have to sell my share in
G-BVLV due to our pending emigration to New Zealand.
Based at Bidford on Avon England, this has got to be one of the
cheapest ways to fly. =C2=A370 a month covers all the standing
cost=99s and leaves a surplus in the kitty. No hourly rate, just
put your petrol in and go flying. Stored in a box trailer with one man
rigging aids, 15 minuets to rig ready to fly, or leave rigged ready to
go.
My 1/4 share for sale =C2=A37000 including the trailer and all
equipment, spares, tools etc.
Any interest, email me off forum jim.naylor@talktalk.net or phone
01386 446870.
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Subject: | Europa Design Trailer Question |
Hi Martin I agree the trailer is a problem. My thoughts are a
hydraulic axle so the trailer can be lowered to the ground also why can't
the bed be folding or it comes apart with pins ? I have a use for a small
er trailer two wheels most of the time with a 1.8 meter bed max width is n
ot a problem here in the UK we have a legal requirement that the trailer h
as to be braked has anybody designed a trailer like this ?
Nigel Henry
> Date: Wed=2C 18 May 2011 22:48:36 -0500
> From: MJKTuck@cs.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa Design Trailer Question
>
>
> Hi Guys=2C
>
> I've just finished up my annual condition inspection. I have the
> aircraft hangared and the only time I use the trailer is when I do my
> inspection or otherwise feel the need to take the wings off.
>
> I have an Europa monowheel trailer. I found it just about impossible to
> push the aircraft up the incline of the ramp portion of the standard
> trailer so I made up an extension ramp which is about 3 feet long and
> reduces the slope by half. Even so=2C I still really struggle to push it
> up the incline particularly if I don't have someone to steady the wing.
> I'm thinking there has to be an easier way!
>
> I've thought about lifting the aircraft up using a car jack (as I would
> do if needed to change the tire) then positioning the ramp under the
> wheel suitably blocked into a downward slope so the aircraft could run
> 'downhill' into position but I thought maybe there is a more elegant
> solution out there that others use - from those who trailer their
> aircraft all the time. Didn't the brochure claim you could do all this
> in five minutes?
>
> I'd be interested in hearing or seeing photos of any other solutions to
> this weighty problem.
>
> Regards=2C
> Martin Tuck
> N152MT
> Wichita=2C Kansas
>
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>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa Design Trailer Question |
Hi, I have a small hand operated winch mounted just behind the tow hitch. It's
a small winch with a ratchet type winding handle like you might find on a sailing
dinghy trailer to wind the boat onto the trailer. I have attached it to
my trailer with just one bolt - in fact it's mounted on the rear of the tow hitch
using the rear one of the two hitch mounting bolts.
I just position the plane up to the trailer with the main wheel at the bottom of
the ramp ready to run up onto the trailer. From the winch I run the rope (6mm
polyprop) rearwards and use a small carrebena type clip to clip it around the
mainwheel axle (on the port side - the other side would foul the brake). Then
just go back to the hitch and wind it on - runs up a treat, easy peasy! The
tail wheel just runs nicely along the channel with the rope passing alongside
it. As I'm winding I can move the hitch of the trailer slightly left/ right
as required to keep it perfectly aligned until the main wheel is on the ramp.
I also lower the plane down the ramp to stop things getting out of hand as I'm
always rigging/ derigging single handed. I keep it at home on the trailer and
rig every time.
Another use of the winch is that after the plane is on the trailer and restrained
you can detach the rope from the aircraft and attach it to the ramp to winch
that up far enough up to easily get the strut pip pins in if it's a bit tight
although I can normally manage this by hand.
Cheers, Jon
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G-TERN
Classic Mono
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