---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/18/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:56 AM - Share for sale () 2. 01:43 AM - Re: Share for sale (pestar) 3. 02:01 AM - Re: Re: Share for sale () 4. 05:24 AM - Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (MalcolmH) 5. 06:22 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (David Joyce) 6. 06:27 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (Bob Harrison) 7. 07:50 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (Frans Veldman) 8. 08:29 AM - Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (Richard Wheelwright) 9. 10:08 AM - Sale of Europa XS (Hans J. Danielsen) 10. 01:06 PM - Re: Re: Share for sale (craig) 11. 02:51 PM - Re: Share for sale" (Bill Sisley) 12. 08:52 PM - Europa Design Trailer Question (Martin Tuck) 13. 10:23 PM - Re: Share for sale" () 14. 11:02 PM - Re: Europa Design Trailer Question (nigel henry) 15. 11:45 PM - Re: Europa Design Trailer Question (JonSmith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:34 AM PST US From: Subject: Europa-List: Share for sale After 15 years of immense fun, regretfully I have to sell my share in G-BVLV due to our pending emigration to New Zealand. Based at Bidford on Avon England, this has got to be one of the cheapest ways to fly. =C2=A370 a month covers all the standing cost=99s and leaves a surplus in the kitty. No hourly rate, just put your petrol in and go flying. Stored in a box trailer with one man rigging aids, 15 minuets to rig ready to fly, or leave rigged ready to go. My 1/4 share for sale =C2=A37000 including the trailer and all equipment, spares, tools etc. Any interest, email me off forum jim.naylor@talktalk.net or phone 01386 446870. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale From: "pestar" Bring it with you and join the already merry throng off Europa's in NZ. >From one who has a DynAero MCR-4S, yes I know it is sacrilege. Cheers Peter Auckland, New Zealand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340245#340245 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:29 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale Did consider it, but to much hassle and expense. -----Original Message----- From: pestar Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:40 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale Bring it with you and join the already merry throng off Europa's in NZ. >From one who has a DynAero MCR-4S, yes I know it is sacrilege. Cheers Peter Auckland, New Zealand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340245#340245 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall From: "MalcolmH" The manual states that: "A single AN3-5A bolt screws the side of the duct onto the inside of the footwell using an MS21047 -3 anchor nut, installed in reverse into the footwell to make it nearly flush". Can somebody please explain 'anchor nut, installed in reverse' I've searched the Gallery and the forums but have no idea what this means. I appreciate that because of lack of access within the footwell the rivet holes for the anchor nut would have to be drilled from the outside. Is this all that is implied? Kind Regards Malcolm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340257#340257 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:43 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall Malcolm, I think it means that you sink the tower bit of the anchor nut into the composite layer, rather than having it stand proud of the surface as you normally would - which would produce a protrusion to catch your foot on. It means that only the flange part of the anchor nut + a bit of rivet ( preferably the smooth bit) would be above the surface to stick into you or whatever floor/sidewall covering you install. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "MalcolmH" Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall > > The manual states that: > > "A single AN3-5A bolt screws the side of the duct onto the inside of the > footwell using an MS21047 -3 anchor nut, installed in reverse into the > footwell to make it nearly flush". > > Can somebody please explain 'anchor nut, installed in reverse' I've > searched the Gallery and the forums but have no idea what this means. > > I appreciate that because of lack of access within the footwell the rivet > holes for the anchor nut would have to be drilled from the outside. Is > this all that is implied? > > Kind Regards > > Malcolm > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340257#340257 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:07 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall Hi! Malcolm It means that the reverse side of the anchor nut will need sinking into the fire wall so that the bolt/screws will screw into and any excess threads of the bolt will also disappear into the fire wall and so absorb the thickness of the anchor nut. In other words simply turn the anchor not over then fix it with the pop rivets. I also suggest using a dab of redux into the rivet holes and finally "pull them down" when it has set. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MalcolmH Sent: 18 May 2011 13:21 Subject: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall The manual states that: "A single AN3-5A bolt screws the side of the duct onto the inside of the footwell using an MS21047 -3 anchor nut, installed in reverse into the footwell to make it nearly flush". Can somebody please explain 'anchor nut, installed in reverse' I've searched the Gallery and the forums but have no idea what this means. I appreciate that because of lack of access within the footwell the rivet holes for the anchor nut would have to be drilled from the outside. Is this all that is implied? Kind Regards Malcolm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340257#340257 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:39 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall On 05/18/2011 03:24 PM, Bob Harrison wrote: > It means that the reverse side of the anchor nut will need sinking into the > fire wall so that the bolt/screws will screw into and any excess threads of > the bolt will also disappear into the fire wall and so absorb the thickness > of the anchor nut. In other words simply turn the anchor not over then fix > it with the pop rivets. That is how it is intended. But I think this is a bad practice. In normal use, the rivets are just there to prevent the anchor nut from turning while fastening the bolt, and to keep the anchor nut from falling out when the bolt is removed. In normal use, once the bolt is fastened, the rivets are free of load. You could take let the rivets disappear and nothing would happen. Now mount the anchor nut in reverse... and in this situation the whole strength of the assembly relies on these two tiny rivets. If you pull on the bolt, the load is transferred to the rivets and they are the weakest link. Compared to the AN-3 bolt, the rivets are very very weak. So, I did not use this method at all. (In fact, I scrapped the entire cooling duct, but this is an entirely different matter). Frans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:06 AM PST US From: Richard Wheelwright Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall With some carefull measuring you-may be able to-drill all the way throu gh and use nut and bolt with large washer-on the inside.=0A=0A-and miss the-rudder pedal-flat surfaces. Job dun.=0A-=0A======= ==============0A=0ARichard Wheelwright=0A== ===================0A=0AFrom: Frans Vel dman =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wedne sday, 18 May 2011, 15:46=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Fixing Cooling Ducting rivatepilots.nl>=0A=0AOn 05/18/2011 03:24 PM, Bob Harrison wrote:=0A=0A> It means that the reverse side of the anchor nut will need sinking into the =0A> fire wall so that the bolt/screws will screw into and any excess threa ds of=0A> the bolt will also disappear into the fire wall and so absorb the thickness=0A> of the anchor nut. In other words simply turn the anchor not over then fix=0A> it with the pop rivets.=0A=0AThat is how it is intended. =0ABut I think this is a bad practice. In normal use, the rivets are just =0Athere to prevent the anchor nut from turning while fastening the bolt, =0Aand to keep the anchor nut from falling out when the bolt is removed. In =0Anormal use, once the bolt is fastened, the rivets are free of load. You =0Acould take let the rivets disappear and nothing would happen.=0A=0ANow m ount the anchor nut in reverse... and in this situation the whole=0Astrengt h of the assembly relies on these two tiny rivets. If you pull on=0Athe bol t, the load is transferred to the rivets and they are the weakest=0Alink. C ompared to the AN-3 bolt, the rivets are very very weak.=0A=0ASo, I did not use this method at all. (In fact, I scrapped the entire=0Acooling duct, bu - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List ====== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:34 AM PST US From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Subject: Europa-List: Sale of Europa XS Hi all. Due to loss of medical I'm offering my XS, LN-HJD for sale. 27 hours total, Rotax 914. Norwegian P.t.F. to August 2011. Standard VFR sixpack, Capacitance Fuel Quant. ind., ICOM 2000 radio. Garmin expndr. Free delivery to GB and Europe. Pics and details at http://Inhjd.scassel.se/ Please contact me off forum for further details. Hans J. Danielsen. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:06:41 PM PST US From: "craig" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale I don't think they would like him bringing 1/4 of the a/c with him :) Regards Craig Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pestar Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:40 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Share for sale Bring it with you and join the already merry throng off Europa's in NZ. >From one who has a DynAero MCR-4S, yes I know it is sacrilege. Cheers Peter Auckland, New Zealand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=340245#340245 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:00 PM PST US From: Bill Sisley Subject: Re: Europa-List: Share for sale" Hi Jim, What part of NZ are you coming to? If you are close you can probably still get some Europa time with me. Sue& Bill Sisley Mono 914 Airmaster 950hrs On 18/05/2011 7:52 p.m., jim.naylor@talktalk.net wrote: > After 15 years of immense fun, regretfully I have to sell my share in > G-BVLV due to our pending emigration to New Zealand. > Based at Bidford on Avon England, this has got to be one of the > cheapest ways to fly. 70 a month covers all the standing costs and > leaves a surplus in the kitty. No hourly rate, just put your petrol in > and go flying. Stored in a box trailer with one man rigging aids, 15 > minuets to rig ready to fly, or leave rigged ready to go. > My 1/4 share for sale 7000 including the trailer and all equipment, > spares, tools etc. > Any interest, email me off forum jim.naylor@talktalk.net > or phone 01386 446870. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:29 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Europa-List: Europa Design Trailer Question Hi Guys, I've just finished up my annual condition inspection. I have the aircraft hangared and the only time I use the trailer is when I do my inspection or otherwise feel the need to take the wings off. I have an Europa monowheel trailer. I found it just about impossible to push the aircraft up the incline of the ramp portion of the standard trailer so I made up an extension ramp which is about 3 feet long and reduces the slope by half. Even so, I still really struggle to push it up the incline particularly if I don't have someone to steady the wing. I'm thinking there has to be an easier way! I've thought about lifting the aircraft up using a car jack (as I would do if needed to change the tire) then positioning the ramp under the wheel suitably blocked into a downward slope so the aircraft could run 'downhill' into position but I thought maybe there is a more elegant solution out there that others use - from those who trailer their aircraft all the time. Didn't the brochure claim you could do all this in five minutes? I'd be interested in hearing or seeing photos of any other solutions to this weighty problem. Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:49 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Share for sale" Hi Bill, Thanks for your kind offer, we have a house in Mangonui Far North. I fly a Tecnam out of Kaitaia Aero Club when we are over there, not quite Europa performance, but very enjoyable for pottering around the local area. Regards Jim From: Bill Sisley Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Share for sale" Hi Jim, What part of NZ are you coming to? If you are close you can probably still get some Europa time with me. Sue & Bill SisleyMono 914 Airmaster 950hrs On 18/05/2011 7:52 p.m., jim.naylor@talktalk.net wrote: After 15 years of immense fun, regretfully I have to sell my share in G-BVLV due to our pending emigration to New Zealand. Based at Bidford on Avon England, this has got to be one of the cheapest ways to fly. =C2=A370 a month covers all the standing cost=99s and leaves a surplus in the kitty. No hourly rate, just put your petrol in and go flying. Stored in a box trailer with one man rigging aids, 15 minuets to rig ready to fly, or leave rigged ready to go. My 1/4 share for sale =C2=A37000 including the trailer and all equipment, spares, tools etc. Any interest, email me off forum jim.naylor@talktalk.net or phone 01386 446870. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:28 PM PST US From: nigel henry Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Design Trailer Question Hi Martin I agree the trailer is a problem. My thoughts are a hydraulic axle so the trailer can be lowered to the ground also why can't the bed be folding or it comes apart with pins ? I have a use for a small er trailer two wheels most of the time with a 1.8 meter bed max width is n ot a problem here in the UK we have a legal requirement that the trailer h as to be braked has anybody designed a trailer like this ? Nigel Henry > Date: Wed=2C 18 May 2011 22:48:36 -0500 > From: MJKTuck@cs.com > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Europa Design Trailer Question > > > Hi Guys=2C > > I've just finished up my annual condition inspection. I have the > aircraft hangared and the only time I use the trailer is when I do my > inspection or otherwise feel the need to take the wings off. > > I have an Europa monowheel trailer. I found it just about impossible to > push the aircraft up the incline of the ramp portion of the standard > trailer so I made up an extension ramp which is about 3 feet long and > reduces the slope by half. Even so=2C I still really struggle to push it > up the incline particularly if I don't have someone to steady the wing. > I'm thinking there has to be an easier way! > > I've thought about lifting the aircraft up using a car jack (as I would > do if needed to change the tire) then positioning the ramp under the > wheel suitably blocked into a downward slope so the aircraft could run > 'downhill' into position but I thought maybe there is a more elegant > solution out there that others use - from those who trailer their > aircraft all the time. Didn't the brochure claim you could do all this > in five minutes? > > I'd be interested in hearing or seeing photos of any other solutions to > this weighty problem. > > Regards=2C > Martin Tuck > N152MT > Wichita=2C Kansas > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa Design Trailer Question From: "JonSmith" Hi, I have a small hand operated winch mounted just behind the tow hitch. It's a small winch with a ratchet type winding handle like you might find on a sailing dinghy trailer to wind the boat onto the trailer. I have attached it to my trailer with just one bolt - in fact it's mounted on the rear of the tow hitch using the rear one of the two hitch mounting bolts. I just position the plane up to the trailer with the main wheel at the bottom of the ramp ready to run up onto the trailer. From the winch I run the rope (6mm polyprop) rearwards and use a small carrebena type clip to clip it around the mainwheel axle (on the port side - the other side would foul the brake). Then just go back to the hitch and wind it on - runs up a treat, easy peasy! The tail wheel just runs nicely along the channel with the rope passing alongside it. As I'm winding I can move the hitch of the trailer slightly left/ right as required to keep it perfectly aligned until the main wheel is on the ramp. I also lower the plane down the ramp to stop things getting out of hand as I'm always rigging/ derigging single handed. I keep it at home on the trailer and rig every time. Another use of the winch is that after the plane is on the trailer and restrained you can detach the rope from the aircraft and attach it to the ramp to winch that up far enough up to easily get the strut pip pins in if it's a bit tight although I can normally manage this by hand. 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