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1. 03:23 AM - Re: Le-Touquet Saturday. (PHILLIPS I)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: Bonding of upper fuselage (Greg Fuchs)
3. 01:14 PM - Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Remi Guerner)
4. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Terry Seaver (terrys))
5. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Jeffrey Roberts)
6. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Garry Stout)
7. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Peter Timm)
8. 10:58 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Michel AUVRAY)
9. 11:12 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (duanefamly@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Le-Touquet Saturday. |
Hi Paul
Not sure if david has been in touch but exspected ETA at LFAT will be 1200
local (11.00 BST) Or if you
prefer 10.00 UTC
regards
Ivor
G-IVER
On 26 May 2011 21:57, Paul Hawkins <pwhawkinsbuilders@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Chaps
>
> I'm hoping to join those going over to Le-Touquet on Saturday, what time
> are you planning to arrive?
>
> Paul Hawkins.
>
> G-ROOV 914 Trigear.
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Bonding of upper fuselage |
>'As a note I put the landing gear in before installing the top. This
caused some problems with the wing pins.'
_____________________________
I love this type of info. I am doing my wing pins as close to the end as
possible, so the gear is in already and can't affect the positioning of them
(which are still to be done). However, the top wasn't on when the gear was
installed, and the trueness of the stab tube has not been rechecked. I
figured that the landing gear area was so stiff (and not much surface area)
that it should be fine. Now I will have to go back to re-measure all
references, just to make sure my fuse didn't have the same problem. Thanks
for the heads-up!
One note about the top: On my aircraft, when it is installed with clecos
into what will be its final position, it twists the stab torque tube 0.5
degrees (port side moves up). Hence, the top installation -may- cause the
lower fuse to shift slightly. My torque tube bearings were installed and
trued as if the top were on. If your top was installed after the wing pins
were set up, this could cause a shift in the wing pins as well. I am toying
with the idea of cleco-ing the top in place during the whole lift pin
installation (in lieu of gluing..granted, gluing would be better), and hope
to keep the very tight 1/20 of 1 degree tolerance. The gain would be an
easier flap mechanism installation.
It looks like someone is actually enjoying their stay in the dungeon of doom
:) LOL
Greg
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Mike,
I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten days. I have
not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have ordered a new ignition
module and will test it as soon as I get it.
I will let you know what I find.
Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was using a lot
more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot less maintenance time
and money.
Cheers
Remi
F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Hi Remi,
I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread, but I just wanted
to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the
insulation held the broken pieces in contact), and would only break in
the presence of vibration, or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran
the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the
ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled.
If someone already suggested this, sorry for the duplication.
Regards,
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi
Guerner
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:11 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
<air.guerner@orange.fr>
Mike,
I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten
days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have
ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it.
I will let you know what I find.
Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was
using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot
less maintenance time and money.
Cheers
Remi
F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Not jumping on the band wagon but I'm having a similar problem. I discovered sometime
back this vibration that continued to get worse. After many attempts at
balancing the carbs and the sensenich carbon prop I finally changed back to the
warp drive 3 blade. I then had it balanced but It was perfect. I balanced the
carbs again and they we're almost perfect. Still at 2800 to 3000 static on
the ground theres this annoying vibration. Maybe more than annoying as I don't
want to fly with it. Sitting at an idle static I decided to do a 1800 to 2000
RPM mag check and noticed a smooth left / A mag but a rough running right B mag.
Spent days checking all the obvious stuff. Plugs, wires with a timing light
and still nothing. At this point I've had two Rotax certified mechanics and
we still have not solved the problem. Trying to isolate the source we switched
the 4 prong plugs going into the mag's and the vibration was still on the B side.
Finally we switched the 6 prong plugs going into the coils and the vibration
switched to the A or left mag on check. Called Lockwood and they believe it's
not in the coils but what else could it be? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm not only frustrated but like Remi I wish I had a thirsty Lycoming hanging
on the front. Rotax may be light and yes I know most swear by them but for
me.... I just want to swear at it.
Anyone working on trying the new UL power on the Europa.
Jeff R.
N128LJ Gold Rush
On May 27, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:
>
> Hi Remi,
>
> I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread, but I just wanted
> to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the
> insulation held the broken pieces in contact), and would only break in
> the presence of vibration, or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran
> the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the
> ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled.
>
> If someone already suggested this, sorry for the duplication.
>
> Regards,
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi
> Guerner
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
>
> <air.guerner@orange.fr>
>
> Mike,
>
> I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten
> days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have
> ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it.
> I will let you know what I find.
> Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was
> using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot
> less maintenance time and money.
> Cheers
> Remi
> F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Jeff, I had a somewhat similar problem once too. The wires to the ignition
module had broken internally. Fortunately I was able to repair them as a
new ignition module was, I think, priced at about $US 800.
Then last year I experienced an intermittent "surging" of the engine.
Couldn't get more than 4,000 RPM or the engine would start cutting out. I
checked all the usual suspects for problem areas and came up blank. I then
had the finest Rotax minds in the business pour over the engine with their
computers and engine analyzers, etc. They spent 4 weeks checking out the
entire engine, and swapping almost every accessory part, and guess what?
They could not determine the cause of the problem. They gave up.
Rotax is a pretty good engine......when it runs as it should. When it stops
running, God help you. It is so complex and there are so few people around
who are capable of diagnosing problems, if any at all, that you're flat out
stuck. I don't think I would buy another Rotax engine.
Garry Stout
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Roberts
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
Not jumping on the band wagon but I'm having a similar problem. I discovered
sometime back this vibration that continued to get worse. After many
attempts at balancing the carbs and the sensenich carbon prop I finally
changed back to the warp drive 3 blade. I then had it balanced but It was
perfect. I balanced the carbs again and they we're almost perfect. Still at
2800 to 3000 static on the ground theres this annoying vibration. Maybe more
than annoying as I don't want to fly with it. Sitting at an idle static I
decided to do a 1800 to 2000 RPM mag check and noticed a smooth left / A mag
but a rough running right B mag. Spent days checking all the obvious stuff.
Plugs, wires with a timing light and still nothing. At this point I've had
two Rotax certified mechanics and we still have not solved the problem.
Trying to isolate the source we switched the 4 prong plugs going into the
mag's and the vibration was still on the B side. Finally we switched the 6
prong plugs going int!
o the coils and the vibration switched to the A or left mag on check.
Called Lockwood and they believe it's not in the coils but what else could
it be? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm not only frustrated but like
Remi I wish I had a thirsty Lycoming hanging on the front. Rotax may be
light and yes I know most swear by them but for me.... I just want to swear
at it.
Anyone working on trying the new UL power on the Europa.
Jeff R.
N128LJ Gold Rush
On May 27, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:
<terrys@cisco.com>
>
> Hi Remi,
>
> I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread, but I just wanted
> to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the
> insulation held the broken pieces in contact), and would only break in
> the presence of vibration, or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran
> the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the
> ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled.
>
> If someone already suggested this, sorry for the duplication.
>
> Regards,
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi
> Guerner
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
>
> <air.guerner@orange.fr>
>
> Mike,
>
> I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten
> days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have
> ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it.
> I will let you know what I find.
> Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was
> using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot
> less maintenance time and money.
> Cheers
> Remi
> F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Remi,
I had a similar problem early in 2007 on my early model 912 S. After doing
all the tests you have already done on yours I had to remove the engine from
the aircraft and take it to the local (300 km away) Rotax dealer for
repairs.
It turned out to be a faulty stator assembly, due to some poor bedding of
wire-bundles in epoxy, which had become brittle and allowing the wires to
shorten out intermittently. The bill was over $ 1800.00,the engine had only
330 hrs on it at the time. I sincerely hope, that this is not your problem.
Good luck.
Peter Timm
-----Original Message-----
From: Remi Guerner
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:10 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
Mike,
I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten days. I
have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have ordered a new
ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it.
I will let you know what I find.
Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was using
a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot less
maintenance time and money.
Cheers
Remi
F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Le 27/05/2011 22:10, Remi Guerner a crit :
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Remi Guerner"<air.guerner@orange.fr>
>
> Mike,
>
> I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten days. I
have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have ordered a new ignition
module and will test it as soon as I get it.
> I will let you know what I find.
> Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was using a
lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot less maintenance
time and money.
> Cheers
> Remi
> F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
>
>
Salut Rmi,
J'ai oubli de te le dire,
J'ai eu sur mon prcdent moteur des problmes de dmarrage ds
l'allumage, j'tais persuad que cela venait d'un des boitiers Ducati,
mais en fait les boitiers n'avaient rien, cela venait du stator de
gnration.
Qui avait un de ses circuits "intermittent".
A voir
--
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--------(*)--------
Michel AUVRAY
mau11@free.fr
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| Subject: | Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure |
Garry,
I had the pleasure of meeting you and coming over your house to see your bu
ild during SNF back around 2002. I brought the beer. LOL. I really enjoyed
our talk and it was then I decided to make my Europa purchase.
In all the times I have been on this forum I have never heard anyone speak
negatively about of the Rotax. It was as if it was sacrosanct and no one wa
s to speak ill of the almighty Rotax. I guess I don't feel so bad going wit
h the Jabiru. I am sure all engines have their idiosyncrasies.....I just ho
pe mine are more reasonably priced.
Mike Duane
Redding, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: Garry Stout <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 3:25 pm
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
Jeff, I had a somewhat similar problem once too. The wires to the ignition
odule had broken internally. Fortunately I was able to repair them as a
ew ignition module was, I think, priced at about $US 800.
Then last year I experienced an intermittent "surging" of the engine.
ouldn't get more than 4,000 RPM or the engine would start cutting out. I
hecked all the usual suspects for problem areas and came up blank. I then
ad the finest Rotax minds in the business pour over the engine with their
omputers and engine analyzers, etc. They spent 4 weeks checking out the
ntire engine, and swapping almost every accessory part, and guess what?
hey could not determine the cause of the problem. They gave up.
Rotax is a pretty good engine......when it runs as it should. When it stop
s
unning, God help you. It is so complex and there are so few people around
ho are capable of diagnosing problems, if any at all, that you're flat out
tuck. I don't think I would buy another Rotax engine.
Garry Stout
----Original Message-----
rom: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Roberts
ent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:14 PM
o: europa-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
Not jumping on the band wagon but I'm having a similar problem. I discovere
d
ometime back this vibration that continued to get worse. After many
ttempts at balancing the carbs and the sensenich carbon prop I finally
hanged back to the warp drive 3 blade. I then had it balanced but It was
erfect. I balanced the carbs again and they we're almost perfect. Still at
800 to 3000 static on the ground theres this annoying vibration. Maybe more
han annoying as I don't want to fly with it. Sitting at an idle static I
ecided to do a 1800 to 2000 RPM mag check and noticed a smooth left / A mag
ut a rough running right B mag. Spent days checking all the obvious stuff.
lugs, wires with a timing light and still nothing. At this point I've had
wo Rotax certified mechanics and we still have not solved the problem.
rying to isolate the source we switched the 4 prong plugs going into the
ag's and the vibration was still on the B side. Finally we switched the 6
rong plugs going int!
o the coils and the vibration switched to the A or left mag on check.
alled Lockwood and they believe it's not in the coils but what else could
t be? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm not only frustrated but like
emi I wish I had a thirsty Lycoming hanging on the front. Rotax may be
ight and yes I know most swear by them but for me.... I just want to swear
t it.
nyone working on trying the new UL power on the Europa.
eff R.
128LJ Gold Rush
On May 27, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote:
terrys@cisco.com>
Hi Remi,
I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread, but I just wanted
to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the
insulation held the broken pieces in contact), and would only break in
the presence of vibration, or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran
the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the
ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled.
If someone already suggested this, sorry for the duplication.
Regards,
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi
Guerner
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:11 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure
<air.guerner@orange.fr>
Mike,
I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten
days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have
ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it.
I will let you know what I find.
Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was
using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot
less maintenance time and money.
Cheers
Remi
F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222
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