---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/28/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:58 AM - Filser Radio problems (David Lewendon) 2. 02:07 AM - Tri Gear Europa Wanted (handfordp@aol.com) 3. 12:32 PM - Singlehand de-/-rigging of the Trigear (Roland) 4. 02:13 PM - Re: Filser Radio problems (Bud Yerly) 5. 02:43 PM - Re: Filser Radio problems (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 6. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Bud Yerly) 7. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Jeffrey Roberts) 8. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure (Karl Heindl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:34 AM PST US From: David Lewendon Subject: Europa-List: Filser Radio problems I have a Filser ATR 600 VHF Com plus a separate Filser Mode S Transponder. I am experiencing difficulties in transmitting and although I can hear various ATC centers from a reasonable distance of 20 to 30 miles out I cannot get them to hear me until I am only 6 or 7 miles away. My Europa does not have an external antenna and having looked in the rear fuselage section there appear to be two coax type cables. One goes to a black metal box approximately 4 inches long and 3/4 of an inch square that is fixed to the upper side of the fuselage (about the ten o clock position). The other cable disappears into the tail section. There is a small unpainted metal antenna about 2 inches long protruding from the lower fuselage but this must be too short for a VHF radio and does not have the small ball on the end like a transponder aerial would have. BTW, I have not checked the transmit button yet for a good connection. Any clues pleas? Thanks David ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:13 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tri Gear Europa Wanted From: handfordp@aol.com I am seeking a Rotax powered Tri-Gear Europa XS to purchase within the UK. I will consider an unfinished project. I did build, own and fly G-PHXS un til it was destroyed in a suspicious fire within a hangar in the Corby area together with several others. Please contact me either by my email (handfo rdp@aol.com) or mobile (07936 374 452) if you can help. Regards Peter Handford ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:19 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Singlehand de-/-rigging of the Trigear From: "Roland" Hi all, I have now my Anschau-trailer converted for the Trigear. Everything fits very nice and since the wings are stored on movable trolleys, I can slide the wings out the (closed) trailer by about 3 meters to put them on a single hand rigging aid (also offered by Anschau). Since Anschau charges 1200 Euro for this rigging aid I am looking for a less expensive (self-made?) version. Can anyone share his/her experience in single hand rigging/de-rigging of the Trigear? I have to remark, that the vast majority of my flying someone will join me, but I'm keen on the option going alone if I want to. Photos would also be highly appreciated. Roland G-BZTI Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341288#341288 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:16 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filser Radio problems David, Perhaps it is best to check the following in this order for a field check: First check and ohm out your radio connections and coax attachment to your antenna. Check out the coax that the center wire and outer shield have no continuity. If the antenna is buried in the rear, do the following: Build a 10 foot coax cable jumper. Install your coax jumper lead to the radio back. Beg, borrow or buy a standard VHF metal antenna with a ground plane, or make a ground plane from aluminum and bolt it too the antenna and connect to the ground. Place the antenna on a bench near the aircraft. OR I have an Advanced Aircraft Electronics VHF - 5T spare in my shop for this purpose. The coax connector attached to this antenna needs no ground plane and is made from carbon fiber and wire. It is just like the tape antenna in principal, but I have yet to find a better easier to install antenna, but that is an opinion, because all properly built and installed antennas should be nearly equal. To best test your integrity of the com system. If the intercom is loud and clear then the intercom to jacks are OK. The newer radios have transmit key indicators as does a separate intercom which may also be in your system. Press the mic button and look. If the transmit indicator appears, the hookup is OK as the mic hi position is connecting to ground for the transmit signal. If the ground used for the mic button is hooked up outside the back of the radio, you may have a poor and noisy ground or ground loop. Please check your electrical continuity and circuit output using the temporary antenna by pushing the com and giving a test count and observe the power meter then check your primary antenna. If you don't have a power meter, don't despair. compare the output transmission using a handheld or other nearby radio. If it is the antenna, it is time to go shopping. Again if the antenna is the problem, the fastest, easiest to install, high performance antenna is the VHF 5T available through Aircraft Spruce. An excellent position if you have no access to the tail, is to install it just behind the baggage bay as close to vertical as possible. Works great even with a little curve. As for the short antenna, that is most likely your Transponder antenna. Again, test its continuity and ground plane as the short antenna has a ground plane requirement for the whip antenna of about an eight inch disk. Your ground plane may not have been installed. Again Advanced Aircraft Electronics has an antenna if yours does not work. The small box may be a radio switching box. It may have been used for Nav and Glide slope switching if there is a horizontal antenna or a com switcher if the ELT antenna was also hooked to the com antenna. Hard to tell without tracing out your com and reading the part number on the box. Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations, Inc. www.customflightcreations.com (813) 653-4989 ----- Original Message ----- From: David Lewendon To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:54 AM Subject: Europa-List: Filser Radio problems > I have a Filser ATR 600 VHF Com plus a separate Filser Mode S Transponder. I am experiencing difficulties in transmitting and although I can hear various ATC centers from a reasonable distance of 20 to 30 miles out I cannot get them to hear me until I am only 6 or 7 miles away. My Europa does not have an external antenna and having looked in the rear fuselage section there appear to be two coax type cables. One goes to a black metal box approximately 4 inches long and 3/4 of an inch square that is fixed to the upper side of the fuselage (about the ten o clock position). The other cable disappears into the tail section. There is a small unpainted metal antenna about 2 inches long protruding from the lower fuselage but this must be too short for a VHF radio and does not have the small ball on the end like a transponder aerial would have. BTW, I have not checked the transmit button yet for a good connection. Any clues pleas? Thanks David http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:31 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filser Radio problems David- I had an identical problem a few years ago. I had blown the final in my tra nsmitter. The final transistor is relatively powerful and what permits you to transmit some distance. I was getting about 2 milliwatts output from the driver and could be heard for about 3 miles. Replacing the final transisto r was the fix. If you can beg, borrow, or steal one, a wattmeter with a dum my load will tell you if that is the case. Simpler than all the testing, if you can get to the back of the transmitter, put an SWR bridge in the line. If it is an antenna problem, the SWR will be quite high, probably over 2/1 . If you know someone who is a radio amateur they may be able to help you w ith both tests. They are very simple and can be done in five minutes or so. Failing that, I'd construct a tape dipole as described in the manual and h ang it outside the plane. If you can both transmit and receive off it, the antenna in the airplane is your problem. The tape dipole aft of the baggage compartment will work just fine if you need to replace the antenna. Jim Puglise, Punta Gorda, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lewendon" Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 3:54:59 AM Subject: Europa-List: Filser Radio problems I have a Filser ATR 600 VHF Com plus a separate Filser Mode S Transponder. I am experiencing difficulties in transmitting and although I can hear various ATC centers from a reasonable distance of 20 to 30 miles out I cannot get them to hear me until I am only 6 or 7 miles away. My Europa does not have an external antenna and having looked in the rear fuselage section there appear to be two coax type cables. One goes to a black metal box approximately 4 inches long and 3/4 of an inch square that is fixed to the upper side of the fuselage (about the ten o clock position). The other cable disappears into the tail section. There is a small unpainted metal antenna about 2 inches long protruding from the lower fuselage but this must be too short for a VHF radio and does not have the small ball on the end like a transponder aerial would have. BTW, I have not checked the transmit button yet for a good connection. Any clues pleas? Thanks David =========== =========== =========== =========== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:18 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure Gentlemen, My years are going to show, but we must understand and be consistent in our opinions. I have found it necessary to be fair. I hate them all. Rotax is expensive, and has two carbs, two ignitions so multiple troubleshooting problems and high prices. Jabiru has cooling and induction problems, must run at 2700 rpm or about 85% power to equal a 914 at 75%, and can't swing a prop bigger than 64 inches, (not a problem for the Europa) but is less expensive but needs a bigger gas tank. Lycomings are heavy, leaky, inefficient, in hot cliamates like Florida, and over temp the cylinder near the valves requiring top overhauls, Continentals need a drip pan at 200 hours, have similar problems like the Lyc. and all one has to do is google lycoming or continental engine problems to see there is no perfect engine. Neither the Lyc or Cont make it beyond about 500 hours down here without cylinders coming off for repair. Car engines sound great, but airplanes need torque so you need a reduction unit (duh, another Rotax type problem). You are doing engine development rather than flying many times. The day they make a car engine that can start up, idle out of the neighborhood and go full throttle for 15 minutes then pull a 3000 pound trailer at 80 miles an hour for 4 hours within 500 rpm of max and do that every day for 80,000 miles, I'll put it in an airplane. because that is what we ask of an airplane engine. So I prefer to be consistent, I hate them all equally. Have a great weekend, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Roberts To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure > Not jumping on the band wagon but I'm having a similar problem. I discovered sometime back this vibration that continued to get worse. After many attempts at balancing the carbs and the sensenich carbon prop I finally changed back to the warp drive 3 blade. I then had it balanced but It was perfect. I balanced the carbs again and they we're almost perfect. Still at 2800 to 3000 static on the ground theres this annoying vibration. Maybe more than annoying as I don't want to fly with it. Sitting at an idle static I decided to do a 1800 to 2000 RPM mag check and noticed a smooth left / A mag but a rough running right B mag. Spent days checking all the obvious stuff. Plugs, wires with a timing light and still nothing. At this point I've had two Rotax certified mechanics and we still have not solved the problem. Trying to isolate the source we switched the 4 prong plugs going into the mag's and the vibration was still on the B side. Finally we switched the 6 prong plugs going int! o the coils and the vibration switched to the A or left mag on check. Called Lockwood and they believe it's not in the coils but what else could it be? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm not only frustrated but like Remi I wish I had a thirsty Lycoming hanging on the front. Rotax may be light and yes I know most swear by them but for me.... I just want to swear at it. Anyone working on trying the new UL power on the Europa. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On May 27, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote: > > > Hi Remi, > > I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread, but I just wanted > to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the > insulation held the broken pieces in contact), and would only break in > the presence of vibration, or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran > the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the > ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled. > > If someone already suggested this, sorry for the duplication. > > Regards, > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi > Guerner > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:11 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure > > > > > Mike, > > I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten > days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have > ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it. > I will let you know what I find. > Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was > using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot > less maintenance time and money. > Cheers > Remi > F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:04 PM PST US From: Jeffrey Roberts Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure Well said Bud. Just a little frustrated up here. We'll keep looking. N128LJ Gold Rush On May 28, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > Gentlemen, > My years are going to show, but we must understand and be consistent in our opinions. > I have found it necessary to be fair. I hate them all. > > Rotax is expensive, and has two carbs, two ignitions so multiple troubleshooting problems and high prices. > Jabiru has cooling and induction problems, must run at 2700 rpm or about 85% power to equal a 914 at 75%, and can't swing a prop bigger than 64 inches, (not a problem for the Europa) but is less expensive but needs a bigger gas tank. > Lycomings are heavy, leaky, inefficient, in hot cliamates like Florida, and over temp the cylinder near the valves requiring top overhauls, > Continentals need a drip pan at 200 hours, have similar problems like the Lyc. and all one has to do is google lycoming or continental engine problems to see there is no perfect engine. > Neither the Lyc or Cont make it beyond about 500 hours down here without cylinders coming off for repair. > > Car engines sound great, but airplanes need torque so you need a reduction unit (duh, another Rotax type problem). You are doing engine development rather than flying many times. The day they make a car engine that can start up, idle out of the neighborhood and go full throttle for 15 minutes then pull a 3000 pound trailer at 80 miles an hour for 4 hours within 500 rpm of max and do that every day for 80,000 miles, I'll put it in an airplane. because that is what we ask of an airplane engine. > > So I prefer to be consistent, I hate them all equally. > > Have a great weekend, > Bud > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeffrey Roberts > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure > > > Not jumping on the band wagon but I'm having a similar problem. I discovered sometime back this vibration that continued to get worse. After many attempts at balancing the carbs and the sensenich carbon prop I finally changed back to the warp drive 3 blade. I then had it balanced but It was perfect. I balanced the carbs again and they we're almost perfect. Still at 2800 to 3000 static on the ground theres this annoying vibration. Maybe more than annoying as I don't want to fly with it. Sitting at an idle static I decided to do a 1800 to 2000 RPM mag check and noticed a smooth left / A mag but a rough running right B mag. Spent days checking all the obvious stuff. Plugs, wires with a timing light and still nothing. At this point I've had two Rotax certified mechanics and we still have not solved the problem. Trying to isolate the source we switched the 4 prong plugs going into the mag's and the vibration was still on the B side. Finally we switched the 6 prong plugs going int! > o the coils and the vibration switched to the A or left mag on check. Called Lockwood and they believe it's not in the coils but what else could it be? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I'm not only frustrated but like Remi I wish I had a thirsty Lycoming hanging on the front. Rotax may be light and yes I know most swear by them but for me.... I just want to swear at it. > Anyone working on trying the new UL power on the Europa. > Jeff R. > N128LJ Gold Rush > > On May 27, 2011, at 3:26 PM, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote: > > > > > Hi Remi, > > > > I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread, but I just wanted > > to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the > > insulation held the broken pieces in contact), and would only break in > > the presence of vibration, or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran > > the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the > > ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled. > > > > If someone already suggested this, sorry for the duplication. > > > > Regards, > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi > > Guerner > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 1:11 PM > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten > > days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have > > ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it. > > I will let you know what I find. > > Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was > > using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot > > less maintenance time and money. > > Cheers > > Remi > > F-PGKL still grounded, courtesy of Rotax > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p; Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c= =============== > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:46 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure Bud=2C You said it all in a nutshell. I have been lucky I guess in not having had a serious problem with my 912s=2C and that probably applies to 95% of all 9 xx users. I am also fortunate in having access to two Rotax experts within easy driving distance=2C should I need any help. One is a Rotax agent and t he other is a busy flying school using Rotax powered Katanas. The Canadian main agent in BC has also been very helpful=2C and the Rotax website with m any videos (subscription required) explaining how to balance the carbs etc. etc. is extremely useful.Maybe some day someone will come up with a breakt hrough in battery technology=2C and all these inefficient combustion engine s will end up in the garbage overnight. Have a nice Sunday=2C Karl From: budyerly@msn.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure Gentlemen=2C My years are going to show=2C but we must understand and be consistent in o ur opinions. I have found it necessary to be fair. I hate them all. Rotax is expensive=2C and has two carbs=2C two ignitions so multiple troubleshooting problems and high prices. Jabiru has cooling and induction problems=2C must run at 2700 rpm or about 85% power to equal a 914 at 75%=2C and can't swing a prop bigger than 64 inches=2C (not a problem for the Europa) but is less expensive but needs a bigger gas tank. Lycomings are heavy=2C leaky=2C inefficient=2C in hot cliamates like Florid a=2C and over temp the cylinder near the valves requiring top overhauls=2C Continentals need a drip pan at 200 hours=2C have similar problems like the Lyc. and all one has to do is google lycoming or continental engine problem s to see there is no perfect engine. Neither the Lyc or Cont make it beyond about 500 hours down here without cylinders coming off for repair. Car engines sound great=2C but airplanes need torque so you need a reductio n unit (duh=2C another Rotax type problem). You are doing engine development rather than flying many times. The day they make a car engine that can start up=2C idle out of the neighborhood and go full throttle for 15 minute s then pull a 3000 pound trailer at 80 miles an hour for 4 hours within 500 rpm of max and do that every day for 80=2C000 miles=2C I'll put it in a n airplane. because that is what we ask of an airplane engine. So I prefer to be consistent=2C I hate them all equally. Have a great weekend=2C Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Roberts To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday=2C May 27=2C 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure Not jumping on the band wagon but I'm having a similar problem. I discovered sometime back t his vibration that continued to get worse. After many attempts at balancing t he carbs and the sensenich carbon prop I finally changed back to the warp dr ive 3 blade. I then had it balanced but It was perfect. I balanced the carbs ag ain and they we're almost perfect. Still at 2800 to 3000 static on the ground theres this annoying vibration. Maybe more than annoying as I don't want to fly with it. Sitting at an idle static I decided to do a 1800 to 2000 RPM mag check and noticed a smooth left / A mag but a rough running right B mag. Spent days checking all the obvious stuff. Plugs=2C wires with a timing light a nd still nothing. At this point I've had two Rotax certified mechanics and w e still have not solved the problem. Trying to isolate the source we switch ed the 4 prong plugs going into the mag's and the vibration was still on the B side. Finally we switched the 6 prong plugs going int! o the coils and the vibration switched to the A or left mag on check. Called Lockwood and they believe it's not in the coils but what else could it be? Any thought s would be appreciated. I'm not only frustrated but like Remi I wish I had a thirsty Lycoming hanging on the front. Rotax may be light and yes I know most swear by them but for me.... I just want to swear at it. Anyone working on trying the new UL power on the Europa. Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush On May 27=2C 2011=2C at 3:26 PM=2C Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote: (terrys)" > > Hi Remi=2C > > I am afraid I missed the earlier parts of this thread=2C but I just wanted > to let you know we had loose wires that would normally be connected (the > insulation held the broken pieces in contact)=2C and would only break in > the presence of vibration=2C or when we pulled on the wire. We just ran > the engine at idle and gently pulled on each wire that came into the > ignition bundle until the engine idle stumbled. > > If someone already suggested this=2C sorry for the duplication. > > Regards=2C > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi > Guerner > Sent: Friday=2C May 27=2C 2011 1:11 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: urgent: 912S ignition failure > > > > > Mike=2C > > I have been working on the problem almost full time for the last ten > days. I have not found any broken wire in the ignition system. I have > ordered a new ignition module and will test it as soon as I get it. > I will let you know what I find. > Of course I regret the good old Lycoming of my previous plane: it was > using a lot more fuel but was a lot more reliable and required a lot > less maintenance time and money. > Cheers > Remi > F-PGKL still grounded=2C courtesy of Rotax > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341222#341222 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p=3B Features Chat=2C http://www.matronnbsp=3B via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p=3B generous bsp=3B title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.