---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/10/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:58 AM - Re: Re: Flap cross tube (Greg Fuchs) 2. 05:50 AM - Re: Trailer for XS tri (William Daniell) 3. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall (John Cliff) 4. 07:36 AM - Wing step reenforcement (AirEupora) 5. 10:29 AM - Re: Flap cross tube (rparigoris) 6. 12:17 PM - Re: N127ZP Landing gear failure. (Ken Carpenter) 7. 02:36 PM - Re: N127ZP Landing gear failure. (Tony Wickens) 8. 04:02 PM - Re: N127ZP Landing gear failure. (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 05:46 PM - Re: N127ZP Landing gear failure. (Tim Ward) 10. 05:49 PM - Re: N127ZP Landing gear failure. (Tim Ward) 11. 08:51 PM - Europa 272 for sale (Chris Cameron) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:42 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Flap cross tube Ron, Ha-Ha, Always surmised Tufnol and Phenolic were the same, just wasn't positive. Thanks! I never got a ceiling panel from the company, but am planning removable, resizable, remake-able and reposition-able panels, all held on (the sides) with the plastic knobby type super strong Velcro-like strips. That will give infinite upgrade potential. Was planning on using 3mm plywood, but will have to look at this Garolite G10/G11. Sounds kind of handy. If they are as light as the 3mm plywood with fiberglass over it, I'm on board. Greg Fuchs, A050 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rparigoris Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:58 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flap cross tube --> Hi Greg I purchased Tufnal from my favorite company www.mcmaster.com .. .. I use G-1o for many tasks in europa build. It is fiberglass instead of paper or linen. kinda like mil spec circuit board material. it bonds well with redux or Aeropoxy. I used it for mass balance guides and many other instances. It is sold in tubes and solid rods and machines OK. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:48 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailer for XS tri No sadly not .mainly because Im based in SKGY (Guaymaral Colombia)J But thanks anyway. Can you send pics please? It seems that most people have simply created a trailed based on common sense which is to say (for a tri) . Long enough & wide enough . basic configuration of fuze in the middle and wings on the sides resting on their leading edges . 3 channels for the wheels with some means of locking them down . Some kind of ramp . Sounds like a winch would be handy Anything to add? Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt Sent: 09 June, 2011 14:53 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer for XS tri Will, Are you going to be at Sywell next weekend as there should be two trigear trailers there. Otherwise come and talk to me and Ian Rickard at Popham AGM weekend in July. Regards Steve Pitt ----- Original Message ----- From: William Daniell Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: Trailer for XS tri I am sure that someone has asked this but how do I get plans for a trailer for an XS tri? Yours Will href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:08 AM PST US From: John Cliff Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fixing Cooling Ducting to Firewall On 08/06/2011 10:46, MalcolmH wrote: > I suspect this anomaly is because I have the Classic fuselage and cockpit module/Firweall. I cant find any documentation to support this. I do have the XS firewall forward kit. I have recently found the same thing, also with a Classic fuselage and XS FF kit. John Cliff #0259 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:42 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Wing step reenforcement From: "AirEupora" I remember reading a couple of years ago about some of the builders reinforcing the wing area where people will step on the wing. I have tried finding it again and can only find Mike Duane's comment about doing it, but no details. Is it worth doing? If so how are you doing it? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342611#342611 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flap cross tube From: "rparigoris" Hi Greg "I never got a ceiling panel from the company, but am planning removable, resizable, remake-able and reposition-able panels, all held on (the sides) with the plastic knobby type super strong Velcro-like strips. That will give infinite upgrade potential. Was planning on using 3mm plywood, but will have to look at this Garolite G10/G11. Sounds kind of handy. If they are as light as the 3mm plywood with fiberglass over it, I'm on board." I have conduits run to ceiling: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=27687 Lots of stuff on the ceiling panel: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=31607 The G-11 weighs less than the one supplied from Factory. The problem I see with using wood covered with glass is it is much thicker than the G-11 and you need to push door seal over the edge. For certain you can work around that, but the G-11 is so thin it is a non issue. Ron Parigoris Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=342641#342641 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. From: Ken Carpenter Had same event when taxing my plane. I did not have mod 51. There is still the issue of the gear needing to be over center. I am sure someone else can describe it better than I. My rotax did not have to be torn down but the prop blades had to be replaced and the tunnel repaired. Mine looked about like yours if that is any consolation. I hoisted it up by the engine while doing the underneath repair. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, "Jeffrey J Paris" wrote: > Hi Bud, > > We had a major problem today, during a taxi and a stationary run-up our landing gear collapsed and nuked our prop and pancaked our airplane onto the tarmac at my local airport. Needless to say I'm feeling a bit devastated, but I'm very grateful as my Father pointed out ,"that thank god I wasn't taking off or landing when the gear failed." I had to agree wholeheartedly! Anyways, any ideas or has anyone else out there suffered the same problem? During my build I definitely was concerned that the "Gear" handle was doing 3 jobs, deploying/retracting the main gear, flaps and outriggers. My aircraft has been on the mains since last September and has been moved in and out of the hanger many times, what gives besides the gear? I have attached some pictures that may shed some light to your experienced eye. > > Looks like a total tear down for the engine? Mod 51 incorporated. The aircraft is insured, my Father was a successful Insurance Agent and we are covered pending an inspection from claims. > > Accident Information regarding N127ZP Europa Monowheel Classic. > > Pilot/Owner: Jeff Paris at controls at time of accident, Phase I of ground testing. > > When: June 3, 2011 approximately 12:30 PM at hanger located SDC perfect VFR conditions. > > Where: Parked on Taxiway on south side of field > > How and What: Was test running engine up on taxiway near hanger. Aircraft was stationary with parking brake engaged. During engine run-up pilot looked down to close throttle after successful run-up and noticed that the landing gear handle was bent/bending to the left. Pilot immediately attempted to shut down engine when the gear collapsed and propeller struck the ground and stopped engine. At time of preflight inspection and up to accident all safety latches for the landing gear on the aircraft appeared to be functioning and engaged as designed. Aircraft dismantled and stored in owners hanger, pending review of damage. > > I guess we all heard the saying there are two types of retractable pilots one that has had a gear up landing and those that will, I didn't expect to have a collapse just sitt ing there monitoring the gauges. . . WTF! > > Thanks for your time and consideration. > > Jeff Paris > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:36:44 PM PST US From: "Tony Wickens" Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. The retraction lever should be taking no load when the u/c is extended but merely hold the mechanism in the over centre position. From the pictures it would seem that a great load has been put on the retraction lever indicating that the mechanism was not in the over centre position when the lever was in the down and locked detent. This is something that should be carefully checked during set up and during servicing checks. I am very sorry for Jeff as it looks a lovely aircraft but it should be quite easy to repair. Remember to send me some pictures for the Europa Flyer when she is flying again Regards Tony -----Original Message----- From: Ken Carpenter Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:36 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. Had same event when taxing my plane. I did not have mod 51. There is still the issue of the gear needing to be over center. I am sure someone else can describe it better than I. My rotax did not have to be torn down but the prop blades had to be replaced and the tunnel repaired. Mine looked about like yours if that is any consolation. I hoisted it up by the engine while doing the underneath repair. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, "Jeffrey J Paris" wrote: > Hi Bud, > > We had a major problem today, during a taxi and a stationary run-up our > landing gear collapsed and nuked our prop and pancaked our airplane onto > the tarmac at my local airport. Needless to say I'm feeling a bit > devastated, but I'm very grateful as my Father pointed out ,"that thank > god I wasn't taking off or landing when the gear failed." I had to agree > wholeheartedly! Anyways, any ideas or has anyone else out there suffered > the same problem? During my build I definitely was concerned that the > "Gear" handle was doing 3 jobs, deploying/retracting the main gear, flaps > and outriggers. My aircraft has been on the mains since last September > and has been moved in and out of the hanger many times, what gives besides > the gear? I have attached some pictures that may shed some light to your > experienced eye. > > Looks like a total tear down for the engine? Mod 51 incorporated. The > aircraft is insured, my Father was a successful Insurance Agent and we are > covered pending an inspection from claims. > > Accident Information regarding N127ZP Europa Monowheel Classic. > > Pilot/Owner: Jeff Paris at controls at time of accident, Phase I of ground > testing. > > When: June 3, 2011 approximately 12:30 PM at hanger located SDC perfect > VFR conditions. > > Where: Parked on Taxiway on south side of field > > How and What: Was test running engine up on taxiway near hanger. > Aircraft was stationary with parking brake engaged. During engine run-up > pilot looked down to close throttle after successful run-up and noticed > that the landing gear handle was bent/bending to the left. Pilot > immediately attempted to shut down engine when the gear collapsed and > propeller struck the ground and stopped engine. At time of preflight > inspection and up to accident all safety latches for the landing gear on > the aircraft appeared to be functioning and engaged as designed. Aircraft > dismantled and stored in owners hanger, pending review of damage. > > I guess we all heard the saying there are two types of retractable pilots > one that has had a gear up landing and those that will, I didn't expect to > have a collapse just sitt ing there monitoring the gauges. . . WTF! > > Thanks for your time and consideration. > > Jeff Paris > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:10 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. There can be a condition when the over centre flicks the other way and beco mes =0Aunder centre. If the airplane bounces the gear then pulls downwards for an =0Ainstant and if the lock is slightly loose the lever will allow it to flick under =0Acentre. When the load comes back on the gear the inevita ble collapse occurs.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________ ____=0AFrom: Tony Wickens =0ATo: europa-list@mat ronics.com=0ASent: Friday, 10 June, 2011 22:33:12=0ASubject: Re: Europa-Lis ny Wickens" =0A=0AThe retraction lever should be taking no load when the u/c is extended but =0Amerely hold the mechanism i n the over centre position. From the pictures it =0Awould seem that a great load has been put on the retraction lever indicating =0Athat the mechanism was not in the over centre position when the lever was in the =0Adown and locked detent. This is something that should be carefully checked =0Aduring set up and during servicing checks. I am very sorry for Jeff as it looks =0Aa lovely aircraft but it should be quite easy to repair. Remember to sen d me =0Asome pictures for the Europa Flyer when she is flying again=0ARegar ds=0ATony=0A=0A-----Original Message----- From: Ken Carpenter=0ASent: Satur day, June 04, 2011 1:36 AM=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: E uropa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure.=0A=0A--> Europa-List message poste d by: Ken Carpenter =0A=0AHad same event when taxi ng my plane. I did not have mod 51. There is still the =0Aissue of the ge ar needing to be over center. I am sure someone else can =0Adescribe it be tter than I. My rotax did not have to be torn down but the prop =0Ablades had to be replaced and the tunnel repaired. Mine looked about like yours =0Aif that is any consolation. I hoisted it up by the engine while doing t he =0Aunderneath repair.=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Jun 3, 2011, at 2:1 5 PM, "Jeffrey J Paris" =0Awrote:=0A=0A> Hi Bu d,=0A> =0A> We had a major problem today, during a taxi and a stationary ru n-up our landing =0A>gear collapsed and nuked our prop and pancaked our air plane onto the tarmac at =0A>my local airport. Needless to say I'm feeling a bit devastated, but I'm very =0A>grateful as my Father pointed out ,"tha t thank god I wasn't taking off or =0A>landing when the gear failed." I ha d to agree wholeheartedly! Anyways, any =0A>ideas or has anyone else out t here suffered the same problem? During my build I =0A>definitely was conce rned that the "Gear" handle was doing 3 jobs, =0A>deploying/retracting the main gear, flaps and outriggers. My aircraft has been =0A>on the mains sin ce last September and has been moved in and out of the hanger =0A>many time s, what gives besides the gear? I have attached some pictures that may =0A >shed some light to your experienced eye.=0A> =0A> Looks like a total tear down for the engine? Mod 51 incorporated. The aircraft =0A>is insured, my Father was a successful Insurance Agent and we are covered =0A>pending an i nspection from claims.=0A> =0A> Accident Information regarding N127ZP Euro pa Monowheel Classic.=0A> =0A> Pilot/Owner: Jeff Paris at controls at time of accident, Phase I of ground =0A>testing.=0A> =0A> When: June 3, 2011 ap proximately 12:30 PM at hanger located SDC perfect VFR =0A>conditions.=0A> =0A> Where: Parked on Taxiway on south side of field=0A> =0A> How and Wha t: Was test running engine up on taxiway near hanger. Aircraft was =0A>sta tionary with parking brake engaged. During engine run-up pilot looked down =0A>to close throttle after successful run-up and noticed that the landing gear =0A>handle was bent/bending to the left. Pilot immediately attempted to shut down =0A>engine when the gear collapsed and propeller struck the g round and stopped =0A>engine. At time of preflight inspection and up to a ccident all safety latches =0A>for the landing gear on the aircraft appeare d to be functioning and engaged as =0A>designed. Aircraft dismantled and st ored in owners hanger, pending review of =0A>damage.=0A> =0A> I guess we al l heard the saying there are two types of retractable pilots one =0A>that h as had a gear up landing and those that will, I didn't expect to have a =0A >collapse just sitt ing there monitoring the gauges. . . WTF!=0A> =0A> Than ks for your time and consideration.=0A> =0A> Jeff Paris=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A =================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:29 PM PST US From: Tim Ward Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. Graham, Done that! Been there! I did not have the spring on the down latch and someh ow the latch flicked up on landing allowing the lever to come out and go for ward the way you describe. Consulting my licensed engineer I only needed to replace props, repair damag e to tunnel and wing where one of the props hit. I did not need to do anythi ng with the Rotax 912S as there was no load on the engine at the time. Had t o get the airmaster prop hub crack tested. All happened in slow motion! Thir d flight so very disheartened however the aircraft main wheel and outriggers kept the fuselage off the grass runway preventing further damage. Good desi gn feature! Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 11/06/2011, at 10:58 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > There can be a condition when the over centre flicks the other way and bec omes under centre. If the airplane bounces the gear then pulls downwards for an instant and if the lock is slightly loose the lever will allow it to fli ck under centre. When the load comes back on the gear the inevitable collaps e occurs. > Graham > > > From: Tony Wickens > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, 10 June, 2011 22:33:12 > Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. > om> > > The retraction lever should be taking no load when the u/c is extended but merely hold the mechanism in the over centre position. =46rom the pictures i t would seem that a great load has been put on the retraction lever indicati ng that the mechanism was not in the over centre position when the lever was in the down and locked detent. This is something that should be carefully c hecked during set up and during servicing checks. I am very sorry for Jeff a s it looks a lovely aircraft but it should be quite easy to repair. Remember to send me some pictures for the Europa Flyer when she is flying again > Regards > Tony > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Carpenter > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:36 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. > > > Had same event when taxing my plane. I did not have mod 51. There is sti ll the issue of the gear needing to be over center. I am sure someone else c an describe it better than I. My rotax did not have to be torn down but the prop blades had to be replaced and the tunnel repaired. Mine looked about l ike yours if that is any consolation. I hoisted it up by the engine while d oing the underneath repair. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, "Jeffrey J Paris" wrote: > > > Hi Bud, > > > > We had a major problem today, during a taxi and a stationary run-up our l anding gear collapsed and nuked our prop and pancaked our airplane onto the t armac at my local airport. Needless to say I'm feeling a bit devastated, bu t I'm very grateful as my Father pointed out ,"that thank god I wasn't takin g off or landing when the gear failed." I had to agree wholeheartedly! Any ways, any ideas or has anyone else out there suffered the same problem? Dur ing my build I definitely was concerned that the "Gear" handle was doing 3 j obs, deploying/retracting the main gear, flaps and outriggers. My aircraft h as been on the mains since last September and has been moved in and out of t he hanger many times, what gives besides the gear? I have attached some pic tures that may shed some light to your experienced eye. > > > > Looks like a total tear down for the engine? Mod 51 incorporated. The a ircraft is insured, my Father was a successful Insurance Agent and we are co vered pending an inspection from claims. > > > > Accident Information regarding N127ZP Europa Monowheel Classic. > > > > Pilot/Owner: Jeff Paris at controls at time of accident, Phase I of grou nd testing. > > > > When: June 3, 2011 approximately 12:30 PM at hanger located SDC perfec t VFR conditions. > > > > Where: Parked on Taxiway on south side of field > > > > How and What: Was test running engine up on taxiway near hanger. Aircra ft was stationary with parking brake engaged. During engine run-up pilot lo oked down to close throttle after successful run-up and noticed that the lan ding gear handle was bent/bending to the left. Pilot immediately attempted t o shut down engine when the gear collapsed and propeller struck the ground a nd stopped engine. At time of preflight inspection and up to accident all s afety latches for the landing gear on the aircraft appeared to be functionin g and engaged as designed. Aircraft dismantled and stored in owners hanger, p ending review of damage. > > > > I guess we all heard the saying there are two types of retractable pilot s one that has had a gear up landing and those that will, I didn't expect to have a collapse just sitt ing there monitoring the gauges. . . WTF! > > > > Thanks for your time and consideration. > > > > Jeff Paris > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Europa-List> http://forum - List Contribution Web Site - > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:15 PM PST US From: Tim Ward Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. Graham, Done that! Been there! I did not have the spring on the down latch and someh ow the latch flicked up on landing allowing the lever to come out and go for ward the way you describe. Consulting my licensed engineer I only needed to replace props, repair damag e to tunnel and wing where one of the props hit. I did not need to do anythi ng with the Rotax 912S as there was no load on the engine at the time. Had t o get the airmaster prop hub crack tested. All happened in slow motion! Thir d flight so very disheartened however the aircraft main wheel and outriggers kept the fuselage off the grass runway preventing further damage. Good desi gn feature! Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 11/06/2011, at 10:58 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > There can be a condition when the over centre flicks the other way and bec omes under centre. If the airplane bounces the gear then pulls downwards for an instant and if the lock is slightly loose the lever will allow it to fli ck under centre. When the load comes back on the gear the inevitable collaps e occurs. > Graham > > > From: Tony Wickens > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, 10 June, 2011 22:33:12 > Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. > om> > > The retraction lever should be taking no load when the u/c is extended but merely hold the mechanism in the over centre position. =46rom the pictures i t would seem that a great load has been put on the retraction lever indicati ng that the mechanism was not in the over centre position when the lever was in the down and locked detent. This is something that should be carefully c hecked during set up and during servicing checks. I am very sorry for Jeff a s it looks a lovely aircraft but it should be quite easy to repair. Remember to send me some pictures for the Europa Flyer when she is flying again > Regards > Tony > > -----Original Message----- From: Ken Carpenter > Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:36 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: N127ZP Landing gear failure. > > > Had same event when taxing my plane. I did not have mod 51. There is sti ll the issue of the gear needing to be over center. I am sure someone else c an describe it better than I. My rotax did not have to be torn down but the prop blades had to be replaced and the tunnel repaired. Mine looked about l ike yours if that is any consolation. I hoisted it up by the engine while d oing the underneath repair. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, "Jeffrey J Paris" wrote: > > > Hi Bud, > > > > We had a major problem today, during a taxi and a stationary run-up our l anding gear collapsed and nuked our prop and pancaked our airplane onto the t armac at my local airport. Needless to say I'm feeling a bit devastated, bu t I'm very grateful as my Father pointed out ,"that thank god I wasn't takin g off or landing when the gear failed." I had to agree wholeheartedly! Any ways, any ideas or has anyone else out there suffered the same problem? Dur ing my build I definitely was concerned that the "Gear" handle was doing 3 j obs, deploying/retracting the main gear, flaps and outriggers. My aircraft h as been on the mains since last September and has been moved in and out of t he hanger many times, what gives besides the gear? I have attached some pic tures that may shed some light to your experienced eye. > > > > Looks like a total tear down for the engine? Mod 51 incorporated. The a ircraft is insured, my Father was a successful Insurance Agent and we are co vered pending an inspection from claims. > > > > Accident Information regarding N127ZP Europa Monowheel Classic. > > > > Pilot/Owner: Jeff Paris at controls at time of accident, Phase I of grou nd testing. > > > > When: June 3, 2011 approximately 12:30 PM at hanger located SDC perfec t VFR conditions. > > > > Where: Parked on Taxiway on south side of field > > > > How and What: Was test running engine up on taxiway near hanger. Aircra ft was stationary with parking brake engaged. During engine run-up pilot lo oked down to close throttle after successful run-up and noticed that the lan ding gear handle was bent/bending to the left. Pilot immediately attempted t o shut down engine when the gear collapsed and propeller struck the ground a nd stopped engine. At time of preflight inspection and up to accident all s afety latches for the landing gear on the aircraft appeared to be functionin g and engaged as designed. Aircraft dismantled and stored in owners hanger, p ending review of damage. > > > > I guess we all heard the saying there are two types of retractable pilot s one that has had a gear up landing and those that will, I didn't expect to have a collapse just sitt ing there monitoring the gauges. . . WTF! > > > > Thanks for your time and consideration. > > > > Jeff Paris > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator ?Europa-List> http://forum - List Contribution Web Site - > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:18 PM PST US From: Chris Cameron Subject: Europa-List: Europa 272 for sale Regrettably, due to a family illness, we need to free up some cash and have decided that the almost completed kit # 272 ( previously Tony K's kit, www.kaon.co.nz/europa) needs to be sold to realise some cash. Although the likely purchaser would be in New Zealand, given the cost of new kits this is probably a good option for someone looking to get flying with most of the build completed. Please contact me off list if you would like more details, or know of anyone who may be interested. 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