---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/16/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Vaccum pad alternator (William Daniell) 2. 06:51 AM - Oil filter-Roger Lee (Fergus Kyle) 3. 06:51 AM - Re: Vaccum pad alternator (Robert Borger) 4. 08:35 AM - Re: Vaccum pad alternator (Frans Veldman) 5. 08:48 AM - Re: FW: Wings and Wheels Weekend (Bob Harrison) 6. 09:14 AM - Re: Vaccum pad alternator (William Daniell) 7. 09:14 AM - Re: Vaccum pad alternator (William Daniell) 8. 10:00 AM - Re: Vaccum pad alternator (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 9. 12:31 PM - Final Inspection Checklist (John Greenhalgh) 10. 04:19 PM - Re: Final Inspection Checklist (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:09 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator Has anyone fitted a vacuum pad stand by alternator? http://www.bandc.biz/pdfs/quickfacts_sd20.pdf ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:46 AM PST US From: Fergus Kyle Subject: Europa-List: Oil filter-Roger Lee Roger, I have a Champion oil filter from factory on my 914 which is octagonal in shape (that is not having a smaller hex drive on 'top') and cannot shift it. I need to half-fill it to inaugurate the oil system. Can one still get a 3"+/- hex wrench to fit it or can I use some sort of heat treatment to make it lose its grip? I understand later versions have an easier method of rotating..... Cheers, Ferg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator From: Robert Borger William, I have an alternator mounted to the vacuum pad. It is supposed to be rated around 40 amps but in this installation it probably is rpm limited to around 25 amps. Nothing to sneeze at considering the Rotax alternator is rated at 15 amps and you don't want to run it at that output for very long. Consequently, I use the vacuum pad alternator as my primary electrical source for the aircraft. Only 25 hours on it so far, but it as performed flawlessly. You can see pictures on my Europa Owners gallery. Some overall pics of the package under "Mods and other hardware things -- 2nd Alternator Kit." This kit was purchased from Flight Crafters (Bob & Russ) about a year after I received the Europa Kit and I don't believe they sell these any more. Looking at the specs for the B&C unit, I don't see why it wouldn't work just as well as long as you have the accessory drive gear on your gearbox. I have used great quantities of B&C equipment on Little Toot Sport Biplanes I have helped build in the past and I plan to use a lot of their equipment on the Toot I am presently building for myself. I'll be happy to dig up or take pictures of my installation if you would like. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046 Europa Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jun 16, 2011, at 8:02, William Daniell wrote: > Has anyone fitted a vacuum pad stand by alternator? > > http://www.bandc.biz/pdfs/quickfacts_sd20.pdf > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:29 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator On 06/16/2011 03:02 PM, William Daniell wrote: > Has anyone fitted a vacuum pad stand by alternator? I have one. If you go that route, I would recommend you to split your battery into two smaller ones, so you have two totally independent electrical systems. This gives total redundancy, if you fry one system you still have the other. Logically you have to distribute your appliances wisely over the two independent buses to get the most out of this redundancy. Keep in mind though that this alternator on the Rotax starts generating power only at 2500 rpm or above. below that it consumes 4 amps for the field but doesn't produce anything in return. It really starts to come alive at 3000 rpm or more. Make sure to order the short version of this alternator. And note that you can't use the Rotax factory shroud in combination with this alternator. Frans ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:26 AM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: Wings and Wheels Weekend Hi! Ivor Don't worry about the second document it seems to come through a lot just some kind of ee-mail system back up..........(well that makes it look like I know what I'm talking about ! BTW is Mona coming with you ? I have a spare Saturday Night event ticket to use up. Regards Bob H PS Just got a gearbox slide hammer rig made up for pulling the gear box. Regards Bob. From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PHILLIPS I Sent: 16 June 2011 07:44 Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: Wings and Wheels Weekend Hi Bob There doesnt appear to be any information on the second document ATT00007 but the plates downloaded fine, regards Ivor G-IVER On 15 June 2011 20:34, Bob Harrison wrote: Hi! Europe / Europa fliers who are intending a visit to Wickenby Wings and Wheels on Saturday /Sunday( you won't be turned away Friday even!) here's the approach and departure procedures. There are notams out for the airshow "No fly" periods. All we want now is fair weather and some intrepid aviators too. Regards to all Bob Harrison I'm looking at G-PTAG being grounded due to unacceptable flakes of ferrous metal on the magnetic plug which weren't there at last oil change! Lady Luck deals some shit hands out to me lately ! However no doubt I will have plenty to keep me busy in "the Crew ". ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:32 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator Thanks Bob From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 16 June, 2011 08:49 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator William, I have an alternator mounted to the vacuum pad. It is supposed to be rated around 40 amps but in this installation it probably is rpm limited to around 25 amps. Nothing to sneeze at considering the Rotax alternator is rated at 15 amps and you don't want to run it at that output for very long. Consequently, I use the vacuum pad alternator as my primary electrical source for the aircraft. Only 25 hours on it so far, but it as performed flawlessly. You can see pictures on my Europa Owners gallery. Some overall pics of the package under "Mods and other hardware things -- 2nd Alternator Kit." This kit was purchased from Flight Crafters (Bob & Russ) about a year after I received the Europa Kit and I don't believe they sell these any more. Looking at the specs for the B&C unit, I don't see why it wouldn't work just as well as long as you have the accessory drive gear on your gearbox. I have used great quantities of B&C equipment on Little Toot Sport Biplanes I have helped build in the past and I plan to use a lot of their equipment on the Toot I am presently building for myself. I'll be happy to dig up or take pictures of my installation if you would like. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Tri-Gear, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S Prop http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=60232 http://www.biplaneforumgallery.com/index.php?cat=10046 Europa Flying! 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Jun 16, 2011, at 8:02, William Daniell wrote: Has anyone fitted a vacuum pad stand by alternator? http://www.bandc.biz/pdfs/quickfacts_sd20.pdf style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:51 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator Frans Thank you Will -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman Sent: 16 June, 2011 10:32 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator On 06/16/2011 03:02 PM, William Daniell wrote: > Has anyone fitted a vacuum pad stand by alternator? I have one. If you go that route, I would recommend you to split your battery into two smaller ones, so you have two totally independent electrical systems. This gives total redundancy, if you fry one system you still have the other. Logically you have to distribute your appliances wisely over the two independent buses to get the most out of this redundancy. Keep in mind though that this alternator on the Rotax starts generating power only at 2500 rpm or above. below that it consumes 4 amps for the field but doesn't produce anything in return. It really starts to come alive at 3000 rpm or more. Make sure to order the short version of this alternator. And note that you can't use the Rotax factory shroud in combination with this alternator. Frans ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Vaccum pad alternator From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Will "Has anyone fitted a vacuum pad stand by alternator?" Like Frans mentioned you want the short version, the SD20S. Here's a few pics: http://www.europaowners.org/forums/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=28318 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:15 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Final Inspection Checklist From: John Greenhalgh Hi, In the Final Inspection Checklist (Annex E (T)) on page 5 'Aircraft back on ground-cowlings removed' it says - "Check addition of rudder pedal return spring plate CS30 for furthest forward rudder pedal". I can't find any reference to this part CS30 in the build manual. I would appreciate any information to solve the mystery of the missing part. Regards John ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:44 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Final Inspection Checklist John, The classic and very early XS had an extension on the rudder pedal return spring in Chapter 22 on the pilot side. That has since be superseded. (Frankly, I don't even have the pages for that any longer in my shop.) If you have a post 97 XS you should not have a CS30. Regards, Bud Yerly Europa Tech Assistance, Custom Flight Creations, Inc. www.customflightcreations.com (813) 653-4989 ----- Original Message ----- From: John Greenhalgh To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 3:27 PM Subject: Europa-List: Final Inspection Checklist > Hi, In the Final Inspection Checklist (Annex E (T)) on page 5 'Aircraft back on ground-cowlings removed' it says - "Check addition of rudder pedal return spring plate CS30 for furthest forward rudder pedal". I can't find any reference to this part CS30 in the build manual. I would appreciate any information to solve the mystery of the missing part. 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