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1. 01:41 AM - Re: TP4 (G-IANI)
2. 01:53 AM - Re: TP4 (Paul Atkinson)
3. 02:02 AM - Outer aileron hinges (Tim Ward)
4. 02:25 AM - Re: TP4 (Paul Atkinson)
5. 09:58 PM - Re: Outer aileron hinges (Lance Sandford)
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Paul
Gerry's point about the plastic pipe works well. I have used it many time
to do Mod 73.
As it happens I do have access to a good TP4 on an otherwise damaged
aircraft. It has not been removed yet but If you feel you must use a TP4
contact me off list
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Cole
Sent: 19 June 2011 14:41
Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP4
Paul,
I solved this problem by purchasing, for a couple of pounds, a replacement
old style cystern - to - lavatory bowl plastic pipe from B&Q. This had a
sweeping 90 deg bend in the middle but the longest arm was quite straight
and long enough to do the job. The diameter is a few thou over size but a
lengthwise saw cut brings it down to exactly the right size as well as
making the pipe slightly flexible in torque for easy removal. The bend also
acts as a handle!
Gerry
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Atkinson <mailto:paullatkinson@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: Europa-List: TP4
Does anyone in the UK have a length of TP4 tube that they no longer need, or
could lend me for a short time?
The reason for asking is that I need to re-bond a TP5 sleeve. I could of
course use the one already installed but I imagine that the risk of
dislodging the tp5 when the tailplane is slid onto the TP4 is quite high and
it would be easier and safer to do it the other way round and insert the TP4
into the tailplane.
If anyone can help could they contact me off list.
Thanks
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Gerry
Nice bit of lateral thinking. I will check it out. Thanks
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Cheers
Paul
On 19 June 2011 14:40, Gerry Cole <gccole13@btinternet.com> wrote:
> **
> Paul
> I solved this problem by purchasing, for a couple of pounds, a replaceme
nt
> old style cystern - to - lavatory bowl plastic pipe from B&Q. This had a
> sweeping 90 deg bend in the middle but the longest arm was quite straight
> and long enough to do the job. The diameter is a few thou over size but a
> lengthwise saw cut brings it down to exactly the right size as well as
> making the pipe slightly flexible in torque for easy removal. The bend al
so
> acts as a handle!
> Gerry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Paul Atkinson <paullatkinson@gmail.com>
> *To:* europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:22 AM
> *Subject:* Europa-List: TP4
>
> Does anyone in the UK have a length of TP4 tube that they no longer need,
> or could lend me for a short time?
> The reason for asking is that I need to re-bond a TP5 sleeve. I could of
> course use the one already installed but I imagine that the risk of
> dislodging the tp5 when the tailplane is slid onto the TP4 is quite high
and
> it would be easier and safer to do it the other way round and insert the
TP4
> into the tailplane.
> If anyone can help could they contact me off list.
>
> Thanks
>
> *
>
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> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Outer aileron hinges |
Hello all,
My Europa has developed some play in the outer aileron hinges as a
number of people seem to have experienced. I am planning to replace the
hinge wire with a teflon sleeve but have not been able to find a
consensus about the right size from previous emails. Recommendations
copied below are for sleeve of ID 0.066", wall 0.012", OD 0.090 (with
pin 0.0625) or ID of 0.105, OD of 0.125, wall thickness of 0.010 with a
pin of 0.094. That seems quite a big difference.
My hinge wire for the standard Europa supplied MS20001-5 hinges is 0.092
inches, so the second suggestion sounds closer, but I'm not sure whether
the OD of 0.125 would go into the hinge. ACS specifies 0.089 inch pin
for MS20001 hinges.
I would be very grateful if those who have successfully used teflon
sleeve in the standard MS20001 hinges could tell me the dimensions of
the sleeve and hinge wire used, and where they were sourced from.
Keith Hickling,
New Zealand.
Previous post:
Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong@casema.nl>
>From the Cozy list archive I understand that the parts can be procured
from McMasterCarr:
teflon sleeve: 5335K17, ID 0.066" (1.6764 mm), wall 0.012", OD 0.090"
(2.286 mm), $2.30 per 10 feet
pin: 7972A261, 1/16" (1.5875 mm), $17.60 forr 32 lengths of 3 feet
McMasterCarr does not ship overseas anymore so a US builder might
intermediate.
The diameters are smaller than the ones you mention Graham, but more
likely to be correct?
Could it be that you have larger hinges than MS20001?
I measure hinge ID of MS20001 at about 1.8 or 1.9 mm, regular pin OD at
about 1.5 or 1.6 mm.
Inserting the teflon sleeve proposed above will be a stretch already. A
question also arises concerning the pin proposed above - diameter
seems rather similar to that of the regular pin.
Jan de Jong
>
> Bill Theeringer used to do kits too,
> The teflon sleeving is 14 gauge electrical, has an OD of 0.125, a wall
> thickness of 0.010, an ID of 0.105,
> and uses a 0.094 302 SS welding rod pin. This results in a 0.011 slop
> around the pin. I recomend cutting the teflon at each hinge juncture
so
> the teflon is captivated and rotates aroind the pin. Mine has over
> 1000 hours on it and shows no sign of wear. You can put a warp in the
> pin to
> eliminate the slight slop, but I think this will result in pressure
> points that will facilitate wear. My personal opinion only.
> Graham
>
Keith Hickling,
76 Rockside Road,
Glenleith,
Dunedin 9010,
New Zealand.
+64 3 4679101.
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Thanks to Phil Tiller, Gerry and Ian for your kind offers and suggestions.
Much appreciated.
Regards
Paul
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On 19 June 2011 14:40, Gerry Cole <gccole13@btinternet.com> wrote:
> **
> Paul,
> I solved this problem by purchasing, for a couple of pounds, a replacement
> old style cystern - to - lavatory bowl plastic pipe from B&Q. This had a
> sweeping 90 deg bend in the middle but the longest arm was quite straight
> and long enough to do the job. The diameter is a few thou over size but a
> lengthwise saw cut brings it down to exactly the right size as well as
> making the pipe slightly flexible in torque for easy removal. The bend also
> acts as a handle!
> Gerry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Paul Atkinson <paullatkinson@gmail.com>
> *To:* europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:22 AM
> *Subject:* Europa-List: TP4
>
> Does anyone in the UK have a length of TP4 tube that they no longer need,
> or could lend me for a short time?
> The reason for asking is that I need to re-bond a TP5 sleeve. I could of
> course use the one already installed but I imagine that the risk of
> dislodging the tp5 when the tailplane is slid onto the TP4 is quite high and
> it would be easier and safer to do it the other way round and insert the TP4
> into the tailplane.
> If anyone can help could they contact me off list.
>
> Thanks
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Outer aileron hinges |
Tim
Have a look at:- http://www.uslan.com/hinge-kit.html
This is what Ive used in all my hinges from new but he says it works in
an already worn hinge.
Regards
Lance Sandford
in Oz
> Hello all,
>
> My Europa has developed some play in the outer aileron hinges as a
> number of people seem to have experienced. I am planning to replace
> the hinge wire with a teflon sleeve but have not been able to find a
> consensus about the right size from previous emails. Recommendations
> copied below are for sleeve of ID 0.066", wall 0.012", OD 0.090 (with
> pin 0.0625) or ID of 0.105, OD of 0.125, wall thickness of 0.010 with
> a pin of 0.094. That seems quite a big difference.
>
> My hinge wire for the standard Europa supplied MS20001-5 hinges is
> 0.092 inches, so the second suggestion sounds closer, but I'm not sure
> whether the OD of 0.125 would go into the hinge. ACS specifies 0.089
> inch pin for MS20001 hinges.
>
> I would be very grateful if those who have successfully used teflon
> sleeve in the standard MS20001 hinges could tell me the dimensions of
> the sleeve and hinge wire used, and where they were sourced from.
>
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