---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/20/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:41 AM - Re: TP4 (G-IANI) 2. 01:53 AM - Re: TP4 (Paul Atkinson) 3. 02:02 AM - Outer aileron hinges (Tim Ward) 4. 02:25 AM - Re: TP4 (Paul Atkinson) 5. 09:58 PM - Re: Outer aileron hinges (Lance Sandford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:06 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: TP4 Paul Gerry's point about the plastic pipe works well. I have used it many time to do Mod 73. As it happens I do have access to a good TP4 on an otherwise damaged aircraft. It has not been removed yet but If you feel you must use a TP4 contact me off list Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Cole Sent: 19 June 2011 14:41 Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP4 Paul, I solved this problem by purchasing, for a couple of pounds, a replacement old style cystern - to - lavatory bowl plastic pipe from B&Q. This had a sweeping 90 deg bend in the middle but the longest arm was quite straight and long enough to do the job. The diameter is a few thou over size but a lengthwise saw cut brings it down to exactly the right size as well as making the pipe slightly flexible in torque for easy removal. The bend also acts as a handle! Gerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Atkinson Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:22 AM Subject: Europa-List: TP4 Does anyone in the UK have a length of TP4 tube that they no longer need, or could lend me for a short time? The reason for asking is that I need to re-bond a TP5 sleeve. I could of course use the one already installed but I imagine that the risk of dislodging the tp5 when the tailplane is slid onto the TP4 is quite high and it would be easier and safer to do it the other way round and insert the TP4 into the tailplane. If anyone can help could they contact me off list. Thanks ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP4 From: Paul Atkinson Gerry Nice bit of lateral thinking. I will check it out. Thanks On an almost completely unrelated subject, Gmail displays ads that are related to an email's content. I have copied one below that showed up when I opened yours :-) Squatting WC Squatting makes elimination faster, easier and more complete. Buy Now www.miraclebathrooms.co.uk do not archive Cheers Paul On 19 June 2011 14:40, Gerry Cole wrote: > ** > Paul > I solved this problem by purchasing, for a couple of pounds, a replaceme nt > old style cystern - to - lavatory bowl plastic pipe from B&Q. This had a > sweeping 90 deg bend in the middle but the longest arm was quite straight > and long enough to do the job. The diameter is a few thou over size but a > lengthwise saw cut brings it down to exactly the right size as well as > making the pipe slightly flexible in torque for easy removal. The bend al so > acts as a handle! > Gerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Paul Atkinson > *To:* europa-list > *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:22 AM > *Subject:* Europa-List: TP4 > > Does anyone in the UK have a length of TP4 tube that they no longer need, > or could lend me for a short time? > The reason for asking is that I need to re-bond a TP5 sleeve. I could of > course use the one already installed but I imagine that the risk of > dislodging the tp5 when the tailplane is slid onto the TP4 is quite high and > it would be easier and safer to do it the other way round and insert the TP4 > into the tailplane. > If anyone can help could they contact me off list. > > Thanks > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:21 AM PST US From: "Tim Ward" Subject: Europa-List: Outer aileron hinges Hello all, My Europa has developed some play in the outer aileron hinges as a number of people seem to have experienced. I am planning to replace the hinge wire with a teflon sleeve but have not been able to find a consensus about the right size from previous emails. Recommendations copied below are for sleeve of ID 0.066", wall 0.012", OD 0.090 (with pin 0.0625) or ID of 0.105, OD of 0.125, wall thickness of 0.010 with a pin of 0.094. That seems quite a big difference. My hinge wire for the standard Europa supplied MS20001-5 hinges is 0.092 inches, so the second suggestion sounds closer, but I'm not sure whether the OD of 0.125 would go into the hinge. ACS specifies 0.089 inch pin for MS20001 hinges. I would be very grateful if those who have successfully used teflon sleeve in the standard MS20001 hinges could tell me the dimensions of the sleeve and hinge wire used, and where they were sourced from. Keith Hickling, New Zealand. Previous post: Europa-List message posted by: Jan de Jong >From the Cozy list archive I understand that the parts can be procured from McMasterCarr: teflon sleeve: 5335K17, ID 0.066" (1.6764 mm), wall 0.012", OD 0.090" (2.286 mm), $2.30 per 10 feet pin: 7972A261, 1/16" (1.5875 mm), $17.60 forr 32 lengths of 3 feet McMasterCarr does not ship overseas anymore so a US builder might intermediate. The diameters are smaller than the ones you mention Graham, but more likely to be correct? Could it be that you have larger hinges than MS20001? I measure hinge ID of MS20001 at about 1.8 or 1.9 mm, regular pin OD at about 1.5 or 1.6 mm. Inserting the teflon sleeve proposed above will be a stretch already. A question also arises concerning the pin proposed above - diameter seems rather similar to that of the regular pin. Jan de Jong > > Bill Theeringer used to do kits too, > The teflon sleeving is 14 gauge electrical, has an OD of 0.125, a wall > thickness of 0.010, an ID of 0.105, > and uses a 0.094 302 SS welding rod pin. This results in a 0.011 slop > around the pin. I recomend cutting the teflon at each hinge juncture so > the teflon is captivated and rotates aroind the pin. Mine has over > 1000 hours on it and shows no sign of wear. You can put a warp in the > pin to > eliminate the slight slop, but I think this will result in pressure > points that will facilitate wear. My personal opinion only. > Graham > Keith Hickling, 76 Rockside Road, Glenleith, Dunedin 9010, New Zealand. +64 3 4679101. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP4 From: Paul Atkinson Thanks to Phil Tiller, Gerry and Ian for your kind offers and suggestions. Much appreciated. Regards Paul do not archive On 19 June 2011 14:40, Gerry Cole wrote: > ** > Paul, > I solved this problem by purchasing, for a couple of pounds, a replacement > old style cystern - to - lavatory bowl plastic pipe from B&Q. This had a > sweeping 90 deg bend in the middle but the longest arm was quite straight > and long enough to do the job. The diameter is a few thou over size but a > lengthwise saw cut brings it down to exactly the right size as well as > making the pipe slightly flexible in torque for easy removal. The bend also > acts as a handle! > Gerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Paul Atkinson > *To:* europa-list > *Sent:* Sunday, June 19, 2011 10:22 AM > *Subject:* Europa-List: TP4 > > Does anyone in the UK have a length of TP4 tube that they no longer need, > or could lend me for a short time? > The reason for asking is that I need to re-bond a TP5 sleeve. I could of > course use the one already installed but I imagine that the risk of > dislodging the tp5 when the tailplane is slid onto the TP4 is quite high and > it would be easier and safer to do it the other way round and insert the TP4 > into the tailplane. > If anyone can help could they contact me off list. > > Thanks > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:09 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Outer aileron hinges Tim Have a look at:- http://www.uslan.com/hinge-kit.html This is what Ive used in all my hinges from new but he says it works in an already worn hinge. Regards Lance Sandford in Oz > Hello all, > > My Europa has developed some play in the outer aileron hinges as a > number of people seem to have experienced. I am planning to replace > the hinge wire with a teflon sleeve but have not been able to find a > consensus about the right size from previous emails. Recommendations > copied below are for sleeve of ID 0.066", wall 0.012", OD 0.090 (with > pin 0.0625) or ID of 0.105, OD of 0.125, wall thickness of 0.010 with > a pin of 0.094. That seems quite a big difference. > > My hinge wire for the standard Europa supplied MS20001-5 hinges is > 0.092 inches, so the second suggestion sounds closer, but I'm not sure > whether the OD of 0.125 would go into the hinge. ACS specifies 0.089 > inch pin for MS20001 hinges. > > I would be very grateful if those who have successfully used teflon > sleeve in the standard MS20001 hinges could tell me the dimensions of > the sleeve and hinge wire used, and where they were sourced from. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.