---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/25/11: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Re: 914 turbo (Jim Brown) 2. 06:43 AM - Re: 914 turbo (Matthew Carpenter) 3. 07:58 AM - Re: 914 turbo (David Joyce) 4. 09:41 AM - For Sale on Ebay - Completed Europa XS Kit minus FW Forward (Brad Shafer) 5. 01:03 PM - Re: 914 turbo (Jim Brown) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:21 AM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo -=0Agarry, this was the only time...I have used a product called Mouse Mi lk. Its a lubricant for turbines I think. However it is used in application s where heat is a problem.- Its avaiable at Aircraft Spruce...I used it a bout every other month, just a squirt on the shaft that the clevis was atta ched to.=0A=0AFrom: Garry Stout =0ATo: "europa-list @matronics.com" =0ASent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8 :08 PM=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo=0A=0A=0AJim, how often did you experience a stuck waste gate? -Mine used to stick about once per year, and was a bugger to free up. -Never did find a solution.=0AGarry=0A=0A=0A Sent from my iPad=0A=0AOn Jun 24, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote:=0A=0A=0AFor you 914 drivers;=0A>=0A>My 914 started showin g surges in the manifold pressure recently.-On takeoff's, the MP would va ry from 33" MP to 39"MP. In cruse mode where I normall cruise at 33" MP and 5300 RPM-I was having to advance the throttle, or retard, in order to ke ep the MP stable.=0A>=0A>The engine has 860 hours, TT since new...to make a long story short, I have added 3 pictures of the servo cable..Over a perio d of time, some of the wires in the cable, were broken, or just worn out. -The -clevis on the end of the cable connects directly to the turbo was tgate, and the worn out cable was just bending, instead of moving the waste gate...=0A>-=0A>I ordered new cable from Rotax, and installed...Make sure when installing new cable, that the wastgate is completely closed..If its not completely closed, you will not get full bost on takeoff.=0A>=0A>Jim Br =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:49 AM PST US From: "Matthew Carpenter" Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 turbo Hi, we also had the same problem with a stuck waste gate. We tried Mouse Milk but would have the same problem after only a few flights. Out solution was to remove the turbo and clean the shaft dry. I think that was Lockwood Aviation's suggestion. Keep the shaft dry and run motor gas. Any AVGAS will cause it to stick at random times as the lead builds up. We run motor gas as often as we can, but use TCP (I think that's what it's called) when we run AVGAS. Before each flight I turn the master on and let the servo move the waste gate. Problem is I cannot see the servo or waste gate. What we figured out is that we can pull the engine computer breaker and push it back in and at the same time we quickly move in front of the place and look at the waste gate. You can see the arm move for just a brief second. This method works great and we have not had a stuck waste gate since. Matt Carpenter N138WJ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:42 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo garry, this was the only time...I have used a product called Mouse Milk. Its a lubricant for turbines I think. However it is used in applications where heat is a problem. Its avaiable at Aircraft Spruce...I used it about every other month, just a squirt on the shaft that the clevis was attached to. From: Garry Stout Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:08 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo Jim, how often did you experience a stuck waste gate? Mine used to stick about once per year, and was a bugger to free up. Never did find a solution. Garry Sent from my iPad On Jun 24, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: For you 914 drivers; My 914 started showing surges in the manifold pressure recently. On takeoff's, the MP would vary from 33" MP to 39"MP. In cruse mode where I normall cruise at 33" MP and 5300 RPM I was having to advance the throttle, or retard, in order to keep the MP stable. The engine has 860 hours, TT since new...to make a long story short, I have added 3 pictures of the servo cable..Over a period of time, some of the wires in the cable, were broken, or just worn out. The clevis on the end of the cable connects directly to the turbo wastgate, and the worn out cable was just bending, instead of moving the wastegate... I ordered new cable from Rotax, and installed...Make sure when installing new cable, that the wastgate is completely closed..If its not completely closed, you will not get full bost on takeoff. Jim Brown 3D=========================3 D=================== a-List 3D=========================3 D=================== 3D=========================3 D=================== > 3D=========================3 D=================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:25 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo Light oil on the bearing (or as near as you can get to it) without dismantling the turbo has worked for me. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Carpenter" Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 turbo > Hi, we also had the same problem with a stuck waste gate. We tried Mouse > Milk but would have the same problem after only a few flights. > > Out solution was to remove the turbo and clean the shaft dry. I think that > was Lockwood Aviation's suggestion. > > > Keep the shaft dry and run motor gas. Any AVGAS will cause it to stick at > random times as the lead builds up. We run motor gas as often as we can, > but use TCP (I think that's what it's called) when we run AVGAS. > > > Before each flight I turn the master on and let the servo move the waste > gate. Problem is I cannot see the servo or waste gate. What we figured > out > is that we can pull the engine computer breaker and push it back in and at > the same time we quickly move in front of the place and look at the waste > gate. You can see the arm move for just a brief second. This method > works > great and we have not had a stuck waste gate since. > > > Matt Carpenter > > N138WJ > > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:42 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo > > > garry, this was the only time...I have used a product called Mouse Milk. > Its > a lubricant for turbines I think. However it is used in applications where > heat is a problem. Its avaiable at Aircraft Spruce...I used it about > every > other month, just a squirt on the shaft that the clevis was attached to. > > > From: Garry Stout > To: "europa-list@matronics.com" > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 8:08 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo > > Jim, how often did you experience a stuck waste gate? Mine used to stick > about once per year, and was a bugger to free up. Never did find a > solution. > > Garry > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jun 24, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > For you 914 drivers; > > > My 914 started showing surges in the manifold pressure recently. On > takeoff's, the MP would vary from 33" MP to 39"MP. In cruse mode where I > normall cruise at 33" MP and 5300 RPM I was having to advance the > throttle, > or retard, in order to keep the MP stable. > > > The engine has 860 hours, TT since new...to make a long story short, I > have > added 3 pictures of the servo cable..Over a period of time, some of the > wires in the cable, were broken, or just worn out. The clevis on the end > of > the cable connects directly to the turbo wastgate, and the worn out cable > was just bending, instead of moving the wastegate... > > > I ordered new cable from Rotax, and installed...Make sure when installing > new cable, that the wastgate is completely closed..If its not completely > closed, you will not get full bost on takeoff. > > > Jim Brown > > > > > > > > > 3D=========================3 > D=================== > a-List > 3D=========================3 > D=================== > 3D=========================3 > D=================== >> > 3D=========================3 > D=================== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:28 AM PST US From: Brad Shafer Subject: Europa-List: For Sale on Ebay - Completed Europa XS Kit minus FW Forward This is now on Ebay for sale. Here is the link. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Europa-XS-Airplane-completed-plane-minus-FW- forward-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2565172615QQitemZ160609805845QQptZMotor sQ5fAircraft From: Brad Shafer Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: Completed Europa XS Kit minus FW Forward This is a completed Europa XS that had everything forward of the firewall r emoved and the instruments. It was a flying Europa that I bought from the b uilder. I only needed the engine and instruments for my Europa. The kit was built by Phoenix Composites in the US. The kit is in good shape. It only n eeds a few minor repairs like reattaching one tailplane sleeve and one door bolt sleeve. Most of the fuel lines have been removed but almost all the w iring is intact from the panel back. The attached pictures show it in flyin g condition and in its current condition. All the flying surfaces are in th eir original flying condition. The kit is located near Chicago in the USA. The price is $9,500 USD or best offer. Please contact me at bshafer@extreme networks.com for questions. Thanks. Bra d ________________________________ DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments to it may contain confidential and propriet ary material and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. Any revie w, use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this transmittal is prohibit ed except by or on behalf of the intended recipient. If you have received t his transmittal in error, please notify the sender and destroy this e-mail and any attachments and all copies, whether electronic or printed. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:53 PM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 turbo In my previous post about the turbo wastgate... The wastgate was NOT stuck. ..The problem was the controll cable had worn thru several strands of the c able. The cable was bending part of the time,when the throttle was moved,wh ich made the MP change. This is why I posted the pictures.....=0A-=0AIt w ould seem that my problem with the cable, brough forth a problem that has b een ocurring, with the stuck wastgate on the 914's.=0A-=0AJim Brown=0A=0A From: Jim Brown =0ATo: Europa list =0ASent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:59 PM=0ASubject: Europa-List: 91 4 turbo=0A=0A=0AFor you 914 drivers;=0A=0AMy 914 started showing surges in the manifold pressure recently.-On takeoff's, the MP would vary from 33" MP to 39"MP. In cruse mode where I normall cruise at 33" MP and 5300 RPM- I was having to advance the throttle, or retard, in order to keep the MP st able.=0A=0AThe engine has 860 hours, TT since new...to make a long story sh ort, I have added 3 pictures of the servo cable..Over a period of time, som e of the wires in the cable, were broken, or just worn out.-The -clevis on the end of the cable connects directly to the turbo wastgate, and the w orn out cable was just bending, instead of moving the wastegate...=0A-=0A I ordered new cable from Rotax, and installed...Make sure when installing n ew cable, that the wastgate is completely closed..If its not completely clo sed, you will not get full bost on takeoff.=0A=0AJim Brown ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.