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1. 03:50 AM - Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident (Jim Brown)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident (Raimo Toivio)
3. 09:14 AM - Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident (Jim Brown)
4. 09:46 PM - Popham (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
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Subject: | Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
Thanks Graham, I just thought I was "lucky".- When you are flying a "one
wheeled taildragger" you are always one landing from disaster !!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!=0A-=0AJim-=0A=0AFrom: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.
com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, July 11, 2011 6:47 PM
=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident=0A=0A=0A
Jim=0Athat can only be a confirmation that the pilot is as good as the tyre
!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Jim Brown <acrojim7534@YAHOO.COM>=0ATo: "eur
opa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Monday, 11 July
, 2011 18:49:39=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /ac
cident=0A=0A=0ARaimo; sorry for the delay... The tire is a Goodyear 700X6
- 6Ply rated. This tire has about 400 hours on it. The tread wear is show
ing about half the tread is gone...=0A-=0AJimBrown=0A=0AFrom: Raimo Toivi
o <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday,
July 6, 2011 5:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing inciden
oivio@rwm.fi>=0A=0ADear Jim=0A=0ARead careful my post: I like to use pressu
re 2,0 - 2,2 bars. 2,1 bar = 30,45 PSI. So we land with same pressures. P
ressure - low or high - is not a reason.=0A=0AWhat is your tube brand name?
=0AWhat is your tube and tyre size?=0A=0AUntil I will get a reason and solu
tion I am going to do same as Paul is doing: changeing regularly tube. Make
s me sense to change it every year (= in my case every 50 hrs /about 50 -
100 landings. I never can do it in 30 minutes but so what. Tube is very ch
eap. For example yeasterday I spent 6 hrs fighting with that problem with m
y wife and that newspaperman. That is 18 hrs + all the extra fees + 400 km
driving car. That must be same as buying let us say 100 pcs of tubes.=0A=0A
BTW also I use masses of baby bottom talcum. That delicate scent is a bit e
mbarrassing...=0A=0ARaimo=0A=0A-----Alkuper=E4inen viesti----- From: acroji
m@cfl.rr.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:36 PM=0ATo: europa-list@mat
ronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /acciden
owheel drivers=0A=0AFollowing this thread today... I have a few commits to
throw to the forum...I notice that Europa requires very- low tire pressur
e in their manual....=0A=0AI also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel
drivers are having flat's....I suspect that with the low air pressure, when
you land the sidewals are flexing due to low air pressure...this is probab
ly "pinching the inner tube" and then the tire goes flat....=0A=0AI have al
ways kept 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10 years, and two tires and tubes, I have
never had a flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the good luck god..
=0A=0AThank about it with 32 P S In the tube the sidewalls are not flexing.
.....Just my thought's on this matter....=0A=0AJim Brown=0AMonowheel.......
=0A=0A---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> Hi All,
=0A> =0A> I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing pro
blem and I=0A> now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preven
tative=0A> maintenance.- The tubes I have been using are not very expensi
ve and I think=0A> that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware tha
t there is a=0A> certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost a
nd if they last=0A> longer then they would be so worth it!=0A> =0A> I do re
call when I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner tubes=0A> regula
rly that some people were surprised and that they had not had a=0A> problem
so perhaps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes being=0A> av
ailable. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube get=0A>
small splits in it due to chafing.- I typically run my tire at about 24 p
si,=0A> which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum
powder=0A> when I install the inner tube.=0A> =0A> I have had 3 blow outs
on a hard surface and fortunately I was able to keep=0A> directional contro
l.- The challenge I found is that with a flat tire the=0A> mono is nearly
impossible to move.- It happen to me at a large airport once=0A> which g
ot the airport authority excited because they had to shut the runway=0A> do
wn and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway.- I now carry a jackin
g=0A> block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do the chan
ge out=0A> in less than 30 minutes.=0A> =0A> Next time around I am going to
try a certified inner tube in the hope that=0A> it will last longer.=0A>
=0A> Paul=0A> =0A> =0A> >=0A> >- *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.f
i>=0A> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM=0A> > *To:* Raimo Toivio
<raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>=0A> > *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident > /accid
ent=0A> >=0A> >- Dear All,=0A> >=0A> > it is a long time since I have bee
n here. > Today it happened something and I=0A> > got an Europa Energy Burs
t (aka ENB) to write > on the list. I think this=0A> > could be useful info
for most of you Europa > (or any GA plane) operators. Let=0A> > me tell yo
u what was it and how it went:=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A=0Abrowse=0AUn/Subscript
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Subject: | Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
Hi Jim,
have you any idea what is your tube brand name? I think that (the tube)
could be something between happy landing and a possible disaster or pain
at least.
***
To prevent future tube-related accidents my plan is to go as follows:
1) change a very best available tube (www.desser.com , McCreary ?)
2) change it for new one regularly ie. once a year to prevent it is
ageing.
3) consider seriously what is the best size for it (must be same as tyre
and that is in my case 7.00-6)
4) install it with extreme care and baby bottom talcum
5) keep a good tyre pressure ie. 2,0 =93 2,2 bar
6) fill the tyre with some well known pre puncture liquid (www.slime.com
?)
7) have a low tube pressure on-flight control system (www.conrad.fr
,thanks Alain)
8) carry always in a plane a spare tube (with a lifting block)
Raimo Toivio OH-XRT Finland
From: Jim Brown
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Raimo; sorry for the delay... The tire is a Goodyear 700X6 6Ply rated.
This tire has about 400 hours on it. The tread wear is showing about
half the tread is gone...
JimBrown
From: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Dear Jim
Read careful my post: I like to use pressure 2,0 - 2,2 bars. 2,1 bar =
30,45 PSI. So we land with same pressures. Pressure - low or high - is
not a reason.
What is your tube brand name?
What is your tube and tyre size?
Until I will get a reason and solution I am going to do same as Paul is
doing: changeing regularly tube. Makes me sense to change it every year
(= in my case every 50 hrs /about 50 - 100 landings. I never can do it
in 30 minutes but so what. Tube is very cheap. For example yeasterday I
spent 6 hrs fighting with that problem with my wife and that
newspaperman. That is 18 hrs + all the extra fees + 400 km driving car.
That must be same as buying let us say 100 pcs of tubes.
BTW also I use masses of baby bottom talcum. That delicate scent is a
bit embarrassing...
Raimo
-----Alkuper=C3=A4inen viesti----- From: acrojim@cfl.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
All monowheel drivers
Following this thread today... I have a few commits to throw to the
forum...I notice that Europa requires very low tire pressure in their
manual....
I also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel drivers are having
flat's....I suspect that with the low air pressure, when you land the
sidewals are flexing due to low air pressure...this is probably
"pinching the inner tube" and then the tire goes flat....
I have always kept 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10 years, and two tires and
tubes, I have never had a flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the
good luck god..
Thank about it with 32 P S In the tube the sidewalls are not
flexing......Just my thought's on this matter....
Jim Brown
Monowheel.......
---- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing problem
and I
> now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preventative
> maintenance. The tubes I have been using are not very expensive and I
think
> that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware that there is a
> certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost and if they
last
> longer then they would be so worth it!
>
> I do recall when I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner
tubes
> regularly that some people were surprised and that they had not had a
> problem so perhaps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes
being
> available. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube
get
> small splits in it due to chafing. I typically run my tire at about
24 psi,
> which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum
powder
> when I install the inner tube.
>
> I have had 3 blow outs on a hard surface and fortunately I was able to
keep
> directional control. The challenge I found is that with a flat tire
the
> mono is nearly impossible to move. It happen to me at a large airport
once
> which got the airport authority excited because they had to shut the
runway
> down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway. I now carry a
jacking
> block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do the
change out
> in less than 30 minutes.
>
> Next time around I am going to try a certified inner tube in the hope
that
> it will last longer.
>
> Paul
>
>
> >
> > *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM
> > *To:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> > *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident > /accident
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > it is a long time since I have been here. > Today it happened
something and I
> > got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write > on the list. I think
this
> > could be useful info for most of you Europa > (or any GA plane)
operators. Let
> > me tell you what was it and how it went:
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
I purchased the tube whenI purchased the tire from Dresser.....Sorry I do n
ot know the name of the tube...Your outlined plan seems to be well thought
out.=0A=C2-=0AJim=0A=0AFrom: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>=0ATo: eur
opa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:37 AM=0ASubject: Re
: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident=0A=0A=0AHi Jim, =0A=0A
have you any idea what is your tube brand name? I think that (the tube)=C2
- could be something between happy landing and a possible disaster or pai
n at least.=0A=0A***=0A=0ATo prevent future tube-related accidents my plan
is to go as follows:=0A=0A1) change a very best available tube (www.desser.
com , McCreary ?)=0A2) change it for new one regularly ie. once a year to p
revent it is ageing.=0A3) consider seriously what is the best size for it (
must be same as tyre and that is in my case 7.00-6)=0A4) install it with ex
treme care and baby bottom talcum=0A5) keep a good tyre pressure ie. 2,0
=93 2,2 bar=0A6) fill the tyre with some well known pre puncture liqu
id (www.slime.com ?)=0A7) have a low tube pressure on-flight control system
(www.conrad.fr ,thanks Alain)=0A8) carry always in a plane a spare tube (w
ith a lifting block)=C2- =0A=0ARaimo Toivio OH-XRT Finland=0A=0AFrom: Jim
Brown =0ASent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:49 PM=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.c
om =0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident=0ARai
mo; sorry for the delay... The tire is a Goodyear 700X6=C2- 6Ply rated. T
his tire has about 400 hours on it. The tread wear is showing about half th
e tread is gone...=0A=C2-=0AJimBrown=0A=0AFrom: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivi
o@rwm.fi>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 5
:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident=0A
=0A=0ADear Jim=0A=0ARead careful my post: I like to use pressure 2,0 - 2,2
bars. 2,1 bar = 30,45 PSI. So we land with same pressures. Pressure - low
or high - is not a reason.=0A=0AWhat is your tube brand name?=0AWhat is yo
ur tube and tyre size?=0A=0AUntil I will get a reason and solution I am goi
ng to do same as Paul is doing: changeing regularly tube. Makes me sense to
change it every year (= in my case every 50 hrs /about 50 - 100 landings
. I never can do it in 30 minutes but so what. Tube is very cheap. For exam
ple yeasterday I spent 6 hrs fighting with that problem with my wife and th
at newspaperman. That is 18 hrs + all the extra fees + 400 km driving car.
That must be same as buying let us say 100 pcs of tubes.=0A=0ABTW also I us
e masses of baby bottom talcum. That delicate scent is a bit embarrassing..
.=0A=0ARaimo=0A=0A-----Alkuper=C3=A4inen viesti----- From: acrojim@cfl.rr.c
om=0ASent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:36 PM=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com
=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident=0A=0A-->
Europa-List message posted by: <acrojim@cfl.rr.com>=0A=0AAll monowheel dri
vers=0A=0AFollowing this thread today... I have a few commits to throw to t
he forum...I notice that Europa requires very=C2- low tire pressure in th
eir manual....=0A=0AI also noticed today that quiet a few monowheel drivers
are having flat's....I suspect that with the low air pressure, when you la
nd the sidewals are flexing due to low air pressure...this is probably "pin
ching the inner tube" and then the tire goes flat....=0A=0AI have always ke
pt 32 PSI in the tire. IN 10 years, and two tires and tubes, I have never h
ad a flat....Yes I know I have been blessed by the good luck god..=0A=0ATha
nk about it with 32 P S In the tube the sidewalls are not flexing......Just
my thought's on this matter....=0A=0AJim Brown=0AMonowheel.......=0A=0A---
- Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:=0A> Hi All,=0A> =0A>
I have found that the inner tubes on my mono to be an ongoing problem and I
=0A> now routinely change my inner tube every 150 hours as preventative=0A>
maintenance.=C2- The tubes I have been using are not very expensive and
I think=0A> that they are from China. Recently Bud made me aware that there
is a=0A> certified inner tube available at about 3 times the cost and if t
hey last=0A> longer then they would be so worth it!=0A> =0A> I do recall wh
en I mentioned on the forum that I was losing inner tubes=0A> regularly tha
t some people were surprised and that they had not had a=0A> problem so per
haps this can be accounted for by different inner tubes being=0A> available
. The failure I get is that the side wall of the inner tube get=0A> small s
plits in it due to chafing.=C2- I typically run my tire at about 24 psi,
=0A> which is higher than the recommended by Europa. BTW I do use talcum po
wder=0A> when I install the inner tube.=0A> =0A> I have had 3 blow outs on
a hard surface and fortunately I was able to keep=0A> directional control.
=C2- The challenge I found is that with a flat tire the=0A> mono is nearl
y impossible to move.=C2- It happen to me at a large airport once=0A> whi
ch got the airport authority excited because they had to shut the runway=0A
> down and divert all of the 737's to a shorter runway.=C2- I now carry a
jacking=0A> block, tools and a spare inner tube with me and I can now do t
he change out=0A> in less than 30 minutes.=0A> =0A> Next time around I am g
oing to try a certified inner tube in the hope that=0A> it will last longer
.=0A> =0A> Paul=0A> =0A> =0A> >=0A> >=C2- *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toi
vio@rwm.fi>=0A> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2011 3:21 AM=0A> > *To:* Raim
o Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>=0A> > *Subject:* Tire /tyre landing incident
> /accident=0A> >=0A> >=C2- Dear All,=0A> >=0A> > it is a long time sinc
e I have been here. > Today it happened something and I=0A> > got an Europa
Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write > on the list. I think this=0A> > could be
useful info for most of you Europa > (or any GA plane) operators. Let=0A>
> me tell you what was it and how it went:=0A> >=0A> >=0A> >=0A=0Abrowse=0A
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We wish to express our great appreciation to the Europa Club for arranging
the successful fly-in at Popham last week-end. The pig roast was delicious,
the refreshments plentiful, and the whole setting at the old airfield with
all the picknickers and planespotters was quite a unique experience for us.
First and foremost, however, the fly-in was a great opportunity to meet old
friends and make new ones.
The flight back to Norway was uneventful, and the weather beautiful. What a
sight it is to fly along the English coast with the white cliffs and green
fields behind, and later over the Dutch and German North Sea islands and
shallow waters!
Thank you very much, Europa Club, for hosting the event and for all that you
do for the Europa community.
Kind regards,
Stephan LN-STE
Svein LN-SKJ
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