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1. 01:29 AM - CS10 Tube diameter (mau11)
2. 02:52 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce)
3. 03:45 AM - Re: Le Touquet (houlihan)
4. 07:02 AM - Re: Oshkosh / Rough River (Jeffrey Roberts)
5. 07:36 AM - Re: CS10 Tube diameter (G-IANI)
6. 02:03 PM - Re: Throttle slip (Neville Eyre)
7. 04:15 PM - Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident (Bud Yerly)
8. 04:37 PM - Re: Wing PIP Pins (Bud Yerly)
9. 06:33 PM - Re: Oshkosh / Rough River (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
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Subject: | CS10 Tube diameter |
X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 26 [cn]
Hello all,
Does anyone have the cs10 diameter tube?
Thanks
Michel AUVRAY
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The Le Touquet trip was blown off earlier in the year but has been
rescheduled for this Saturday 23/7/11. Despite the miserable weather of the
last few weeks the forecast currently looks good. Anyone interested please
contact me soonest. Regards, David Joyce, 01454 260542
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Hi David
I have got a pink chit for Saturday even though we have Anne's sisters
visiting us .
So I hope to get to L2K this time.
Tim
On 19 July 2011 10:49, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> The Le Touquet trip was blown off earlier in the year but has been
> rescheduled for this Saturday 23/7/11. Despite the miserable weather of the
> last few weeks the forecast currently looks good. Anyone interested please
> contact me soonest. Regards, David Joyce, 01454 260542
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh / Rough River |
HI Jim and all Europa's to Oshkosh,
Don't forget in your meetings to mention to all the flyers that the
annual Europa Fly-In at Rough River State Park is coming up September
2nd thru the 4th. or anytime between. Below are a list of those
committed and we would surly like to expand on it. I see some new names
headed to Oshkosh so it would be nice if someone / Paul ;-) would take
the rains of recruitment in Kosh. We need an all out effort to make this
one of the best and well attended Europa get togethers on this side of
the pond ever! Please let them all know what a wonderful place Rough
River is to visit that time of the year!!
Have FUN at the big show. I wish I was attending but now time right now.
Regards,
Jeff Roberts
N128LJ Gold Rush / Changing out my ignition system with the new soft
start modules.
Bob & Maureen Borger... Flying Dragon Lady N914XL in from Corinth TX
Jim & Lynne Puglise... Doing his best to fly N283JL Jabiru up from Punta
Gorda FL.
Jeff & Mary Behrens... Flying Baby Blue in from Baton Rough LA
Jeff & Karen Roberts... Flying Gold Rush in from Nashville Tennessee.
Gary & Susan Leinberger... Flying in the Mooney 3619N from Lancaster PA.
Fred Klein... Flying the Big Iron, for now from Orcas Island Washington
ST.
Troy & Donna Maynor... Flying Little Grace N120EU in from Weaverville
NC.
Paul & Jenny McAllister... Flying in Mono N378PJ AKA Blinky from KUES
Wisconsin.
Jim & Heather Butcher... Flying N241BW from Kalamazoo, MI.
Bud Yearly ... Flying his Trigear up from Plant City FL. With a
different prop...?
Peter & Christine Timm... Flying C-GIET flying rom Pemberton, BC. Nice
trip!
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:36 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> Hi Bud-
>
> We are in NC on our way to Oshkosh. I didn't figure you would go. I
know it is busy in the shop and it is also a very expensive proposition.
If anyone there wants to order a kit, I'll get a deposit and get the
information to you. I don't think Europa has ever gone for a display at
Oshkosh; I think SNF has been about it.
>
> Keep in touch! Will e-mail you all of the orders from there.
>
> Jim
>
> From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>
> =EF=BB
> Jim, Lynn and all,
> I won't make it to Osh with 12 AY almost finished with the repairs
from Sun 'n Fun and six planes in the shop now to turn around. We are
going to hunker down and keep turning out airplanes. Hope you all have
a great time and good weather.
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
> To: Europa List
> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:50 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh
>
> I have not seen any discussion of Oshkosh. Is anyone else going?
Lynne and I will be there for most of the week. If any of the Europa
Group attends, my cell number is 941-875-5684. Give me a buzz and maybe
we can get a beer.
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Subject: | CS10 Tube diameter |
Michel
The CS10 tube is 1-3/4inches (44.63mm) diameter
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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Subject: | Re: Throttle slip |
Hi John,
Problem is the least point of friction is between the AN970 washers and the
nuts, you can tighten up the assembly, and it will still break out, at var
iable rates, at that junction.
Fix :
Weld fullnuts to the AN970 washers, bond/rivet the plastic washers to the o
ther face of the washers [ Redux / csk rivets], flat the contact surface of
the plastic dull, with 180 grit paper.
Assemble as Manual, but replace the spacer with washers to shim the lever i
n the middle of the slot, do the inboard nut/washer up very tight.Thread on
lever, [you might have to thread it on before you run the first nut up, de
pending on throttle box width].
Do the outboard nut/washer/plastic washer up tight to required friction, ke
ep a spanner [ wrench] on that nut as you run a stiffnut up to lock it tigh
t.
Job sorted !
-----Original Message-----
From: John Greenhalgh <john.greenhalgh1@sky.com>
Sent: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:23
Subject: Europa-List: Throttle slip
m>
I wonder if you could assist with a slight problem on my new build.
When the throttle is on tick-over it tends to increase Revs slowly due
o vibration. I realise that the throttle spring
t the carburetter needs to spring open the throttle in the even of a
roken cable, but is there a way of balancing the friction so that my
hrottle does not vibrate slowly open.
I would welcome any advise.
Regards John
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Subject: | Re: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident |
Raimo,
Yes, McCreary has probably been bought out, but they still have a phone
number and are listed in Aircraft Spruce as a supplier. The adds still
say:
"Located in Indiana, PA and Unicoi, TN, Specialty Tires is committed to
producing high quality tires that are 100% Made in America."
I have had good luck with the Europa tubes which are bought through
aircraft supply houses, however, I had good luck with the Asian made
tractor tubes that were original in the mono kit too. As I said in a
past post, installation has much to do with a tubes longevity. I know
that if you grease the wheel rim, the tire can spin on the wheel and the
tube doesn't last long at all, nor does the tire or wheel pant. Ah the
exuberance of youth and the desire to get in the air quick.
You are probably right that many tubes (and tires now days) are made
overseas, maybe even by the same company that makes lawn tractor tires,
but when you put the use on a tire or tube that says "airplane" you pay
more, supposedly for the quality and or inspection standards but mostly
for liability I'm sure. Let's face it, your $600 alternator on a Piper
can be bought with the same part number at an auto parts store for $60.
But the auto parts store one doesn't say airplane.
Everything on my plane comes from an airplane manufacturer or supplier.
Why risk a $100,000 investment on a $12 part.
Regards,
Bud
----- Original Message -----
From: Raimo Toivio<mailto:raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Hi Bud
and thanks for a nice comment.
However
Replacement Tubes: Europa tubes are now made by McCreary and are for
a 7-8 inch tire. They are very well built, and have the exact 90 degree
bend and placement of the valve stem for the mono's wheel. They are
about $130 each, and again worth every penny. It is my experience they
are changed only on puncture not wear.
Are you sure they are McCreary=C2=B4s? On Europas sites they say only
=9CTube =93 Mono =93 suits 7.00 and 8.00 tyres main
tube =93 tba=9D.
In fact there is not anymore a company named Mc Creary. Today it is
known to be Specialty Tires of America, formerly known as McCreary Tire.
I assume those McCreary /Specialty Tires of America tubes are made in
Indonesian by Deli.
American Racer Tires and its sister company Specialty Tires of America
were originally known as the McCreary Tire & Rubber Company, founded in
1915 in Indiana, Pennsylvania.
***
Watch this:
Hi Raimo.
We have good quality, but Asian manufacture $21.95 each
We have good luck with these.
Hi Steven
What is the brand name of Asian manufacture? Is it maybe a Deli from
Indonesian?
Wishes, Raimo
Correct. Deli Indonesia
Best regards
Steve
I have had four incidents in four years with Deli. That means a case
after every 50 flight hours /70 landings. You bet I will not have a Deli
any more...
Terveisin, Raimo
***
So...no Deli any more.
***
I have asked Good Year=C2=B4s US General Aviation Sales Manager Robert
Robson to find us the best available tube for Monowheelers. I will let
you know the results.
As you maybe notice, this is a serious business for me.
Raimo OH-XRT Finland
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hL?v=RAt9oj9eI3I>
From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 6:41 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
To all, and congrats to Raimo Toivio
When preparation, proficiency and proper procedures meet a potentially
catastrophic chain of events, the chain is broken and the aircraft,
pilot and passengers all have a story to tell rather than being an
accident statistic.
Your thorough planning for tire changes in the field, spares, and most
importantly a lovely and supportive wife makes the event a nuisance tire
change out in the field, so I am hoping you bought your wife a great
dinner and told her how much you appreciate her.
As for tires and tubes, from what I can report from the US mono pilots
that have shared their experiences with me here goes:
Original Classic Equipment was an industrial 8 inch tire and tube.
Cheap, strong but rather thin with squishy sides. The clearances were
minimal from the frame and cockpit module and during landing the brake
caliper on a flat tire tore it up pretty quick. About 2000 most guys
started going with the 7 inch McCreary as a replacement around here. It
is narrower and of course a little lower. The original tube was a bit
thin but cheap at $35 for a lawn tire tube.
Replacement Tires:
The McCreary 7 inch six ply seems to work very well with very long
life. This tire has more clearance from the frame, the wheel well, and
its six ply sides is very stiff. It is available through Europa or
Aircraft Spruce (PN 06-09600):
for about $130 US and is worth every penny.
Replacement Tubes: Europa tubes are now made by McCreary and are for
a 7-8 inch tire. They are very well built, and have the exact 90 degree
bend and placement of the valve stem for the mono's wheel. They are
about $130 each, and again worth every penny. It is my experience they
are changed only on puncture not wear.
Most taxi failures need a serious autopsy of the tube. I have found
with new clients that they pinch the tube or cut the stem. Once the
tire goes flat, it gets cut by the brake caliper. We have gone to a
full proof method here in the shop. First we inspect the wheel for any
burrs or sharp edges on the rim and especially on the valve stem. We
smooth these out if present. Then thoroughly clean and dry the wheel.
We cut card stock that fits the recess machined into the wheel and glue
it in place with super glue dabs on one side only. Then show the client
how the wheels go together and to watch for the white paper in the wheel
half split with an inspection mirror to make sure all goes together
easily. Then the tube is lightly powdered , inserted into the tire,
aligned with the stem aligned with the dot (not always present) and
slide the wheel into the tire. Carefully align the tube stem and ensure
the tube is not twisted. Now carefully install the other wheel half and
gently push the two halves together. Insert bolts and pull up evenly.
The tire is ready to inflate.
A suitable lubricant for tire to wheel during installation is not axel
grease according to the FAA maintenance folks. There is no reason for
lube on a well maintained rim free of dirt, corrosion etc. If the tire
will not go on the rim, use a proper lube such as Freylube or a mixture
of dish soap and water with no more than 10% mineral oil. Allow the
solution to dry before putting the tire in use. Petroleum lubricants
between the tire and rim may cause the tire to rotate on hard braking or
run-up (and the tire will rotate on the rim with a 914 at full blast
with an Airmaster Prop), causing tube stem or tube failure. Learn from
my mistake. Read Michelin's guide to tire installation:
http://www.airmichelin.com/uploadedFiles/MichelinAirDev/StandardContent/R
esource/certification_level_2.pdf<http://www.airmichelin.com/uploadedFile
s/MichelinAirDev/StandardContent/Resource/certification_level_2.pdf>
Great job Raimo,
Regards to all,
Bud Yerly
Europa Tech Support
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com<http://www.customflightcreations.com/>
(813) 653-4989
----- Original Message -----
From: Raimo Toivio<mailto:raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:51 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Tire /tyre landing incident /accident
Dear All,
it is a long time since I have been here. Today it happened
something and I got an Europa Energy Burst (aka ENB) to write on the
list. I think this could be useful info for most of you Europa (or any
GA plane) operators. Let me tell you what was it and how it went:
***
I have worked couple of years to make an Europa story to the largest
All and Universal Technical Scandinavian Magazine which is published in
the Scandinavian countries. I have had several flying experiences with
their very speciall aviation editor. Today we decided to fly to one very
remote airfield. Everything went as normally.
Please notice I have a Monowheel, The Most Sexy GA ever built.
***
Just after a touchdown I
- smelled a well burned rubber and then after
- noticed immediately a strong autobrakeing
- noticed immeadiately the position of the aircraft is not normal
(too low and too leveled)
- noticed a rumbling noise
- noticed it is not *very* well steerable or att all and so we went
out of the runway to the port side of the grass area
We went out of the runway. That concrete runway 33 was quite narrow,
just 6 metres or about 20 feets only. I understood at once what was the
name of the game. During first seconds I was wondering if it (tha plane)
will be inverted. The brakeing effect was so hard. After seconds I was
wondering if I will lose only my prop (and engine) at least. It took
only seconds. We stopped and I ask the editor how about if I will now
switch off the fuel pump, electrics, engine, are you ok and how do you
feel now?
What a story for a newspaperman!
The landing was very normal before the touch down. Let me say, I had
completed 416 pcs of an Europa Monowheel landings and this was better
than 8 (0-10) just before touch down . I (we) assume the tire/tyre was
empty before landing. Not a big bang when landing at all, no no.
***
During the years we (Europa Operators) have speculated what will
happen when landing a mono with an empty tire /tyre. Now I /we know: If
lucky nothing! My prop was still a virgin (configuration: Warp Drive
blades with a wonderful Airmaster hub from NZ). The soil out of the
runway was quite soft. There was still a clearance between the mother
ground and the blades about 50 mm /2 inches. I kept the stick hard back
during the landing. Some of you may remember I do love high speed
landings like on final 70 knots and during a touch down around 60 knots.
The brakeing effect was very strong because of an empty main (and only!)
tire /tyre: it took only less than 100 metres /300 feets from touch down
point to the final stop. Zero winds. Runway is a bit upphill.
***
After I checked I am ok and my co-pilot was also ok and my plane was
about ok I called bureacrats as they call to do in Finland immediately.
The Police came and people from The Air Accident Investigators called
me. That was an Finnish Army Airbase also. They came and tried to help
us by giving some air to my empty wheel but do not succeeded because the
inner tube was totally destroyed during the landing (just 300 metres
from us they =93 Finnish Army - were launching unmannned planes by
steam catapult).
***
I called my loving (and sooo beautiful) wife and she took
immediately the spare inner tube with her from our hangar and was
heading by car with a trailer 200 km /125 miles to us. Without a special
jacking block which I always carry with me it would have been impossible
task to lift the Mono upp and take the wheel out and change an inner
tube for a new one. All together it took 6 hours until we were flyable
again. Let me say The Editor still wanted to fly with me back to EFTP.
We completed some touches and goes to check would it be again empty or
not. It was not. What a smile.
Attached a pic =9Can accident place, my plane, my Wife and Mr
Editor doing tire /tyre changeing jobs=9D.
***
Fuck!
I have operatored my Europa 4 seasons and this was my 4th case of an
empty and a broken main wheel! This was a first experience during a
landing. All the other cases have been during taxiing or so. Why?! I
have an original size and a brand of an inner tube which is 8.00
=93 7(6) which means it is ok for a size 7 and 6. They say so. I
had two years an original outer tyre /tire which was like from a colf
car but after earlier incidents I changed it for a real aircraft tyre
/tire (brand name Air Trac). Always the hole has been in the side of the
inner tyre. It has always been let me say about 10 mm /0,4 inches) long
crack.
I (I point *I*) assume that is the question of the bad quality of
the Deli (made in Indonesian) innner tyres.
***
Let me and we all know the source for the high quality inner tubes
please!
Let me and all know is there any clever stuff to put inside of the
inner tube *before* accident to prevent this kinds of accidents.
We all know there are stuffs to put inside the inner tubes to make
our day *after* it is empty. That is not a solution and nothing to do
with a catastrophic failure when the crack is 10 mm or wider.
I /we need a possibility to prevent this kind of (very stupid)
not-so-purpose-to-happend-accidents.
***
Monowheels pilots =93 please do not ever fly far away w/o a
lifting block. That is a sensation.
Thanks for Mr. Dirk van Oyen from Belgium (first time in use a day
after a Maiden Flight =93 that was 30.04.2007).
***
Thanks for this wonderful chance to share and make my day.
I have many topics to talk with you. Many questions to answer. Many
things to do since the end of the last summer. I will come back.
Thanks you are there. All of you.
***
Specially Mr Kingsley from Oz and Mr Fred Klein from US.
I am happy you are there.
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 214,2 /418
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
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Subject: | Re: Wing PIP Pins |
Jeff,
Glad to here your making progress.
The pin is a BLS4R 11 N.
I am out of stock, as this is happening a lot lately with broken heads
and corrosion with time.
Email Karen direct at Europa and she will ship direct. It's a small
package so shipping won't kill you.
About $50 ea if memory serves and please if you are considering going
with another source (Europa buys through Southco (Dzus) or Avibank I
believe) you must get aircraft quality spec. There is a lot of shear
force on these pins, so don't scrimp. Graco and McMaster Carr do not
carry these types of pins any longer from Southco, but I haven't checked
recently.
The last ones I got were direct from Southco and it wasn't cheap for two
pins. Over a hundred for the hardened ones a pair. I begged as the
dealer and didn't get wholesale price because they are a low use, high
quality pin. They weren't quick getting them to me either.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations, Inc.
www.customflightcreations.com
(813) 653-4989
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeffrey J Paris<mailto:jeffrey-j-paris@excite.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:15 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Wing PIP Pins
Europaphiles,
Does anyone have a source for wing PIP pins ? I seem to have
misplaced mine...
Cheers,
Jeff Paris Macedon NY
A012 Europa Monowheel Jab 3300- repairs in progress after landing gear
mishap...
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Subject: | Re: Oshkosh / Rough River |
Hi Jeff-
I'll spread the word at Oshkosh.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Roberts" <jeff@rmmm.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:59:24 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh / Rough River
HI Jim and all Europa's to Oshkosh,
Don't forget in your meetings to mention to all the flyers that the annual
Europa Fly-In at Rough River State Park is coming up September 2nd thru the
4th. or anytime between. Below are a list of those committed and we would
surly like to expand on it. I see some new names headed to Oshkosh so it wo
uld be nice if someone / Paul ;-) would take the rains of recruitment in Ko
sh. We need an all out effort to make this one of the best and well attende
d Europa get togethers on this side of the pond ever! Please let them all k
now what a wonderful place Rough River is to visit that time of the year!!
Have FUN at the big show. I wish I was attending but now time right now.
Regards,
Jeff Roberts
N128LJ Gold Rush / Changing out my ignition system with the new soft start
modules.
Bob & Maureen Borger... Flying Dragon Lady N914XL in from Corinth TX
Jim & Lynne Puglise... Doing his best to fly N283JL Jabiru up from Punta Go
rda FL.
Jeff & Mary Behrens... Flying Baby Blue in from Baton Rough LA=C2-
Jeff & Karen Roberts... Flying Gold Rush in from Nashville Tennessee.
Gary & Susan Leinberger... Flying in the Mooney 3619N from Lancaster PA.=C2
-
Fred Klein... Flying the Big Iron, for now from Orcas Island Washington ST.
Troy & Donna Maynor... Flying Little Grace N120EU in from Weaverville NC.
Paul & Jenny McAllister... Flying in Mono N378PJ AKA Blinky from KUES Wisco
nsin.
Jim & Heather Butcher... Flying N241BW from Kalamazoo, MI.
Bud Yearly ... Flying his Trigear up from Plant City FL. With a different p
rop...?
Peter & Christine Timm... Flying C-GIET flying rom Pemberton, BC. Nice trip
!
On Jul 18, 2011, at 8:36 PM, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Bud-
=C2-
We are in NC on our way to Oshkosh.=C2- I didn't figure you would go.=C2
- I know it is busy in the shop and it is also a very expensive propositi
on.=C2- If anyone there wants to order a kit, I'll get a deposit and get
the information to you.=C2- I don't think Europa has ever gone for a disp
lay at Oshkosh; I think SNF has been about it.=C2-
=C2-
Keep in touch!=C2- Will e-mail you all of the orders from there.
=C2-
Jim =C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: =C2- "Bud Yerly" < budyerly@msn.com >
Sent: =C2- Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:11:20 PM
Subject: =C2- Re: Europa-List: Oshkosh
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Jim, Lynn and all,
I won't make it to Osh with 12 AY=C2-almost finished with the repairs fro
m Sun 'n Fun and six planes in the shop now to turn around.=C2- We are go
ing to hunker down and keep turning out airplanes.=C2- Hope you all have
a great time and good weather.
=C2-
Regards,
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: =C2- jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: =C2- Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: =C2- Europa-List: Oshkosh
I have not seen any discussion of Oshkosh.=C2- Is anyone else going?=C2
- Lynne and I will be there for most of the week.=C2- If any of the Eur
opa Group attends, my cell number is 941-875-5684.=C2- Give me a buzz and
maybe we can get a beer. =C2-
Jim Puglise
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