---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/17/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: Navaid servo, full left aileron (zwakie) 2. 03:13 PM - Re: Trial fitting cockpit module (Greg Fuchs) 3. 07:04 PM - Re: Trial fitting cockpit module (Bud Yerly) 4. 09:36 PM - Re: Trial fitting cockpit module (Andrew Sarangan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Navaid servo, full left aileron From: "zwakie" Well, it strongly seems that my servo gone broke. After folowing Frans' suggestions and the instructions in the EZ Pilot manual, checking the complete install, I'm still getting full left aileron. To confirm this, I would like to get my hands on a known good Navaid servo and hook that up in my installation. Does anyone have a good working servo lying around, collecting dust, that I can use for this? If that servo works out OK, I am of course willing to buy it for a reasonable price. -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=349731#349731 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:06 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trial fitting cockpit module Andrew, I went ahead and followed the manual with this. Fitting the cockpit module with clecoes (small bolts 1/16" or so work well for this -the flanges in the module are thick in the front) insures it is in its final resting position, level laterally with respect to the fuselage, and sucked up to the front. I remember during the fitting process, the need to re-install the cockpit module (to check clearances with controls etc) numerous times to verify all is good, and appreciated having finalized the positioning. Only 2 - 4 attachment points were needed for me, two in front around the tunnel bottom and maybe a few on the sides, rear-ward. Hope that helps, Greg ___________________ Is there a reason why chapter 11 (title: preparing the mouldings) calls for drilling cleco'ing the CM to the fuselage? Is this step not done best just before the bond? _ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:51 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trial fitting cockpit module Andrew, Greg is right, the best way to a nice straight fuselage without an ill fitting or a crooked module, bonding voids, and clearance problems. I have a plane in the shop now that when the stick was moved laterally, the CS 08 actually hit the bottom of the fuselage. Another has a 1/4 inch dent in the fuselage side where the builder failed to properly align the module with the fuselage and during bonding the clecos pulled the module down to the canoe crooked and now he has a distorted fuselage. It is an airplane, if you don't trial fit and dry run through 5 times, you're doing it wrong. If you don't want to use nuts and bolts for clecos, then try #8 self tapping screws but don't pull them down hard so as to dimple the skin. Personally I use 1/8 inch US Clecos and when I go final I put in the screws on the last dry run and final. Just don't pull them down hard and squeeze out all that expensive Redux, and leaving a permanent dent to be filled... By the way, the same applies to all the rest of the plane. Happy building, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Fuchs To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trial fitting cockpit module > Andrew, I went ahead and followed the manual with this. Fitting the cockpit module with clecoes (small bolts 1/16" or so work well for this -the flanges in the module are thick in the front) insures it is in its final resting position, level laterally with respect to the fuselage, and sucked up to the front. I remember during the fitting process, the need to re-install the cockpit module (to check clearances with controls etc) numerous times to verify all is good, and appreciated having finalized the positioning. Only 2 - 4 attachment points were needed for me, two in front around the tunnel bottom and maybe a few on the sides, rear-ward. Hope that helps, Greg ___________________ > Is there a reason why chapter 11 (title: preparing the mouldings) calls for drilling cleco'ing the CM to the fuselage? Is this step not done best just before the bond? _ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:07 PM PST US From: Andrew Sarangan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trial fitting cockpit module I think my question may have been misunderstood. I realize the importance of CM alignment to the fuselage. My question is, isn't this alignment best done after the control tubes and fuel tank are installed rather than on an empty CM? I was thinking that some deformations to the CM may creep in during the work, so drilling the alignment holes through the firewall may be best done when the CM is nearly finished. Or, is the empty CM is significantly lighter and hence easier to align? What I often find confusing with the manual is that it says what to do, but it doesn't say why. As a scientist, I hesitate to do something until I understand why. On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Bud Yerly wrote: > Andrew, > Greg is right, the best way to a nice straight fuselage without anill > fitting ora crooked module, bonding voids, and clearance problems. I have > a plane in the shop now that when the stick was moved laterally,the CS > 08actually hit the bottom of the fuselage. Another has a 1/4 inch dent in > the fuselage sidewhere the builder failed to properly align the module with > the fuselageand during bonding theclecos pulled the module down to the > canoe crookedandnow he has a distorted fuselage. > > It is an airplane, if you don't trial fit and dry run through 5 times, > you're doing it wrong. Ifyou don't want to use nuts and bolts for clecos, > thentry #8 selftapping screws but don't pull them down hard so as to > dimple the skin. > > Personally I use 1/8 inch US Clecos and when I go final I put in the screws > on the last dry run and final. Just don't pull them down hard and squeeze > out all that expensive Redux, and leaving a permanent dent to be filled... > > By the way, the same applies to all the rest of the plane. > > Happy building, > > Bud Yerly > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg Fuchs > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:09 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trial fitting cockpit module > > > > Andrew, > > I went ahead and followed the manual with this. Fitting the cockpit module > with clecoes (small bolts 1/16" or so work well for this -the flanges in the > module are thick in the front) insures it is in its final resting position, > level laterally with respect to the fuselage, and sucked up to the front. I > remember during the fitting process, the need to re-install the cockpit > module (to check clearances with controls etc) numerous times to verify all > is good, and appreciated having finalized the positioning. Only 2 - 4 > attachment points were needed for me, two in front around the tunnel bottom > and maybe a few on the sides, rear-ward. > > Hope that helps, > > Greg > > ___________________ > > > Is there a reason why chapter 11 (title: preparing the mouldings) calls for > drilling cleco'ing the CM to the fuselage? 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