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1. 01:36 AM - Re: Trial fitting cockpit module (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
2. 03:44 AM - Re: Navaid servo, full left aileron (zwakie)
3. 06:15 AM - Re: Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (Mike Gamble)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (Martin Olliver)
5. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg (Karl Heindl)
6. 12:11 PM - Monowheel Parts (Troy Maynor)
7. 12:29 PM - Re: Monowheel Parts (ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk)
8. 02:51 PM - Re: Trial fitting cockpit module (Greg Fuchs)
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| Subject: | Re: Trial fitting cockpit module |
Andrew=0AI agree with your thinking Andrew, if I could make a suggestion, I
would =0Arecommend also putting in the fuel system before the cockpit modu
le goes in. =0AEspecially if you are using solid aluminum (which I also rec
ommend) =0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr
om: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Thursday, 18 August, 2011 5:32:23=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Tria
angan <asarangan@gmail.com>=0A=0AI think my question may have been misunder
stood. I realize the=0Aimportance of CM alignment to the fuselage. My quest
ion is, isn't this=0Aalignment best done after the control tubes and fuel t
ank are=0Ainstalled rather than on an empty CM? I was thinking that some=0A
deformations to the CM may creep in during the work, so drilling the=0Aalig
nment holes through the firewall may be best done when the CM is=0Anearly f
inished. Or, is the empty CM is significantly lighter and=0Ahence easier to
align?=0A=0AWhat I often find confusing with the manual is that it says wh
at to=0Ado, but it doesn't say why. As a scientist, I hesitate to do someth
ing=0Auntil I understand why.=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:01 PM,
Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:=0A> Andrew,=0A> Greg is right, the best
way to a nice straight fuselage without an ill=0A> fitting or a crooked mo
dule, bonding voids, and clearance problems. I have=0A> a plane in the sho
p now that when the stick was moved laterally, the CS=0A> 08 actually hit t
he bottom of the fuselage. Another has a 1/4 inch dent in=0A> the fuselage
side where the builder failed to properly align the module with=0A> the fu
selage and during bonding the clecos pulled the module down to the=0A> cano
e crooked and now he has a distorted fuselage.=0A>=0A> It is an airplane, i
f you don't trial fit and dry run through 5 times,=0A> you're doing it wron
g. If you don't want to use nuts and bolts for clecos,=0A> then try #8 sel
f tapping screws but don't pull them down hard so as to=0A> dimple the skin
.=0A>=0A> Personally I use 1/8 inch US Clecos and when I go final I put in
the screws=0A> on the last dry run and final. Just don't pull them down ha
rd and squeeze=0A> out all that expensive Redux, and leaving a permanent de
nt to be filled...=0A>=0A> By the way, the same applies to all the rest of
the plane.=0A>=0A> Happy building,=0A>=0A> Bud Yerly=0A>=0A>=0A> ----- Orig
inal Message -----=0A> From: Greg Fuchs=0A> To: europa-list@matronics.com
=0A> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 6:09 PM=0A> Subject: RE: Europa-List:
Fuchs "=0A> <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>=0A>=0A>=0A> Andrew,=0A>=0A> I wen
t ahead and followed the manual with this. Fitting the cockpit module=0A> w
ith clecoes (small bolts 1/16" or so work well for this -the flanges in the
=0A> module are thick in the front) insures it is in its final resting posi
tion,=0A> level laterally with respect to the fuselage, and sucked up to th
e front. I=0A> remember during the fitting process, the need to re-install
the cockpit=0A> module (to check clearances with controls etc) numerous tim
es to verify all=0A> is good, and appreciated having finalized the position
ing. Only 2 - 4=0A> attachment points were needed for me, two in front arou
nd the tunnel bottom=0A> and maybe a few on the sides, rear-ward.=0A>=0A> H
ope that helps,=0A>=0A> Greg=0A>=0A> ___________________=0A>=0A> --> Europa
-List message posted by: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>=0A>=0A> Is t
here a reason why chapter 11 (title: preparing the mouldings) calls for=0A>
drilling cleco'ing the CM to the fuselage? Is this step not done best just
=0A> before the p; Features Chat, http://www.matronnbsp; via the
Web=0A> title=http://forums.matronics.com/=0A> href="http://forums.mat
ronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A> _p; generous bsp;=0A> t
itle=http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>href="http://www.matronic
s.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c=========
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid servo, full left aileron |
I have given it some good thought and decided there is no point trying to stick
with a type of servo from the Ice-age for which no real support exists.
I have decided that I will order a new servo from Trio, as you all probably know
these servos have more advanced security features compared to the Navaid servo,
and the Trio company provides excellent customer-service. These to me were
the prime reasons for my decision, the fact that people are asking big money
for used Navaid servos that come without any warranty also made my call a little
easier...
Thanks to all for your highly valued input both on list as direct email. This once
again showed me the power of the wonderful Europa community!
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Marcel
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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| Subject: | Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg |
Rod,
the polam looks interesting but I have the electric pump now so will
check it out and report back when able.
Mike
G-CFMP
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg |
I think it only pumps to create a siphon. I have read the manufactures blurb but
have not seen one in the flesh. Could someone confirm this?
Rgds to all
Martin.
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg |
It pumps up from the wing. We use it for fuel but it is really meant just f
or water.I have repaired mine several times and now it has a pinhole in the
hose. Construction quality is very poor=2C but it's useful when it works.
Typical Chinese junk.I currently use two 20 l fuel cans but fill them just
over halfway to make them easy to lift and hold.The suggestion of pressuriz
ing a sealed fuel can is best=2C using a mini rechargeable or powered from
the car cigarette lighter compressor.Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Emailing: 51b7gmpPjhL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
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> Date: Thu=2C 18 Aug 2011 08:48:31 -0700
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
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Hi All,
Does anyone have an almost new black rubber "shock block" and maybe shock absorbers
that they don't need? Perhaps you have converted to a trigear. Mine is the
red urethane one that I heard was replaced by a factory mod but I didn't get
the memo on that.
Does the new ones come predrilled for the shocks and the two bolts?
Thanks in advance.
Troy Maynor
Monowheel Classic UK 120
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel Parts |
Troy
I'll reply early next week since I'm on Hoilday until then
Regards
Bob Harrison.
>----Original Message----
>From: wingnut54@charter.net
>Date: 18/08/2011 20:06
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Subj: Europa-List: Monowheel Parts
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>Hi All,
>Does anyone have an almost new black rubber "shock block" and maybe
shock absorbers that they don't need? Perhaps you have converted to a
trigear. Mine is the red urethane one that I heard was replaced by a
factory mod but I didn't get the memo on that.
>Does the new ones come predrilled for the shocks and the two bolts?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Troy Maynor
>Monowheel Classic UK 120
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| Subject: | Trial fitting cockpit module |
Hi Andrew,
>What I often find confusing with the manual is that it says what to do, but
it doesn't say why. As a scientist,
> I hesitate to do something until I understand why.
I am the same way, and predict many other builders out there are as well. It
makes for a lot of thinking testing and preplanning before assembling. Many
times one can create better ways (than what is in the manual) to put this
thing together but it also eats up a lot of time. I find myself asking this
question often when starting up a new task...Whats more important, precision
or time? Most often, precision wins out. It is an airplane after all, and
one can't expect to 'pull over' up there in the big blue skyways. Oh well,
long precise build it is :) .
When building the module up, one needs to check for clearances between the
controls (plywood strengtheners, fuel lines, etc), and the bottom of the
fuselage ..many times. The bearings (or the flange lips) for the control
arms (or the lower side of the control arm bracket) can hit the bottom of
the fuselage. The manual tells you to get them as low as possible ..but they
can be too low. I also remember needing to grind the top layer glass and
PVC away from the bottom of the fuse. (and re-glass to add the strength
back) in the rear where the controls were binding, because they needed
another 1/8" (or so) clearance (Bud has seen this too, apparently ..notice
his reference to CS08). ...other things needed nips and tucks to get to fit
properly. A builder could easily miss these small clearance issues if they
are not careful, resulting in a lot of binding (and a bunch more unexpected
work) once the module is sucked up to the fuse while clecoe-ing or strapping
pre-gluing. During the process of populating the module with controls (and
stuff), I found it convenient to finalize the position of the module at an
early state. If that is not done, the module can slide around too much, and
it just makes it difficult to know where to do the nips and tucks to get
everything to work well together. I am sure you can wait until just before
bonding the cockpit module to the fuse before drilling the placement holes,
if you were very careful to realign it over and over again during the
clearance checks. I opted for aligning it just once in the beginning. There
are sure to be other methods, and possibly better ones out there....but this
one worked well.
The two holes were placed up front where the module would not deform over
time. It is very strong up in the front around the tunnel area. The lower
part of the tunnel was positively contacting the inside of the fuselage, so
the small bolts went through the forward, lower flange of the module and
through the firewall in that area. The top of the tunnel was not a good
candidate for the bolts, because there was a slight clearance between the
tunnel top and the firewall (other planes might be different?). Putting a
positioning bolt there would cause instability and straining on the module
and the firewall. Better to let the glue fill that in when the big day
arrives.
I hope that covered it a little better..
Greg Fuchs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trial fitting cockpit module
I think my question may have been misunderstood. I realize the importance of
CM alignment to the fuselage. My question is, isn't this alignment best done
after the control tubes and fuel tank are installed rather than on an empty
CM? I was thinking that some deformations to the CM may creep in during the
work, so drilling the alignment holes through the firewall may be best done
when the CM is nearly finished. Or, is the empty CM is significantly lighter
and hence easier to align?
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