---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/21/11: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:07 AM - Mode S transponders ? (Carl Pattinson) 2. 04:40 AM - Re: Flight Test (h&jeuropa) 3. 04:45 AM - Tailplane Mass Balance Weight (h&jeuropa) 4. 04:52 AM - Re: Mode S transponders ? (Carl Pattinson) 5. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Flight Test (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 6. 11:34 AM - Re: Mode S transponders ? (Alan Burrill) 7. 06:08 PM - Re: Tailplane Mass Balance Weight (Lance Sandford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:17 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders ? What is the current position on Mode S in the UK. Is it still March 2012 or is it the case that we only need this if flying in controlled airspace (or Europe) and if so what is deemed to be controlled airspace (ie: what class of airspace). Some sources are suggesting it is only the London TMA and parts of the Edinburgh/ Glasgow. Can somebody point in the direction of a SIMPLE explanation of the current position. Looks like a case of having to spend =C2=A31,500 minimum to upgrade from the current Mode C setup. It=99s a Terra unit who I believe are out of business (so no chance of an upgrade) Cost of these units doesent seem to be reducing so is there any point in waiting. Carl G-LABS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flight Test From: "h&jeuropa" Hi Jim, Sounds like you are getting close! The big reference is the FAA Advisory Circular 90-89A. Our EAA Flight Advisor gave us additional handouts and testing suggestions. We used all of this to develop our plan and made a set of test cards for each flight, one for the person on the ground and an abbreviated set for the pilot. Unfortunately, we don't have them in electronic format, but if you'd like, we can bring the hard copies we used to Rough River. Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350101#350101 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tailplane Mass Balance Weight From: "h&jeuropa" We need the dimensions of the tail plane mass balance weight (outside diameter, inside diameter & approximate length). Thanks Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350103#350103 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:25 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders ? Doesn=99t exactly answer my question but makes it clear that after December 2011 my transponder (Terra 250D) won=99t be visible to many traffic control services. http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2816 &sid=c3148430b767061a51d6616159521ded I suspect many of us already flying will have the same problem (and possibly some still building) Not so much the case that we have to fit the transponders but that what we have fitted won=99t work anymore. (ie: cannot be interrogated by ATC). From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson Sent: 21 August 2011 12:04 Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders ? What is the current position on Mode S in the UK. Is it still March 2012 or is it the case that we only need this if flying in controlled airspace (or Europe) and if so what is deemed to be controlled airspace (ie: what class of airspace). Some sources are suggesting it is only the London TMA and parts of the Edinburgh/ Glasgow. Can somebody point in the direction of a SIMPLE explanation of the current position. Looks like a case of having to spend =C2=A31,500 minimum to upgrade from the current Mode C setup. It=99s a Terra unit who I believe are out of business (so no chance of an upgrade) Cost of these units doesent seem to be reducing so is there any point in waiting. Carl G-LABS http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:11 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Flight Test Thanks Jim. I'll download the circular and start from there. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "h&jeuropa" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:37:33 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Flight Test Hi Jim, Sounds like you are getting close! The big reference is the FAA Advisory Circular 90-89A. Our EAA Flight Advisor gave us additional handouts and testing suggestions. We used all of this to develop our plan and made a set of test cards for each flight, one for the person on the ground and an abbreviated set for the pilot. Unfortunately, we don't have them in electronic format, but if you'd like, we can bring the hard copies we used to Rough River. Jim & Heather N241BW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=350101#350101 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:41 AM PST US From: Alan Burrill Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders ? The CAA Websire link is here http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=1066&pagetype=90&pageid=1213 6 and the PDF document in the UK AIP is here http://www.ead.eurocontrol.int/eadbasic/pamslight-BA48DDEC21A526F8DB67C8E9 6A4051BC/7FE5QZZF3FXUS/EN/AIP/GEN/EG_GEN_1_5_en_2011-07-28.pdf You need to go to page GEN 1-5-14 paragraph 5.3 I haven't read it well enough to translate. Alan On 21 Aug 2011, at 12:49, Carl Pattinson wrote: > Doesn=92t exactly answer my question but makes it clear that after December 2011 my transponder (Terra 250D) won=92t be visible to many traffic control services. > > http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2816&sid= c3148430b767061a51d6616159521ded > > I suspect many of us already flying will have the same problem (and possibly some still building) > > Not so much the case that we have to fit the transponders but that what we have fitted won=92t work anymore. (ie: cannot be interrogated by ATC). > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson > Sent: 21 August 2011 12:04 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders ? > > What is the current position on Mode S in the UK. > > Is it still March 2012 or is it the case that we only need this if flying in controlled airspace (or Europe) and if so what is deemed to be controlled airspace (ie: what class of airspace). Some sources are suggesting it is only the London TMA and parts of the Edinburgh/ Glasgow. > > Can somebody point in the direction of a SIMPLE explanation of the current position. > > Looks like a case of having to spend =A31,500 minimum to upgrade from the current Mode C setup. It=92s a Terra unit who I believe are out of business (so no chance of an upgrade) > > Cost of these units doesent seem to be reducing so is there any point in waiting. > > Carl > G-LABS > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:29 PM PST US From: Lance Sandford Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tailplane Mass Balance Weight Jim My original weight was 4 3/4 x 2 and 60 ozs. Centre hole needs clearance for the 1/2 shaft. My finished weight 3 1/2 and 45 ozs. Regards Lance Sandford in OZ > --> Europa-List message posted by: "h&jeuropa" > > We need the dimensions of the tail plane mass balance weight (outside diameter, inside diameter& approximate length). > > Thanks > > Jim& Heather > N241BW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.