---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 08/30/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:48 AM - Re: WAS Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs NOW Dynon Autopilot (G-IANI) 2. 03:18 AM - Re: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs (G-IANI) 3. 06:22 AM - Re: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs (Rob Housman) 4. 08:59 AM - Re: LAA Rally (Ivan Shaw) 5. 09:03 AM - Re: Outriggers lenght (egp8111) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: Electric winch or hand crank? (Raimo Toivio) 7. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Outriggers lenght (mau11) 8. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Outriggers lenght (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 9. 12:40 PM - Re: Electric winch or hand crank? (Hans J. Danielsen) 10. 02:01 PM - Re: LAA Rally (Steven Pitt) 11. 03:31 PM - Re: LAA Rally (david park) 12. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Outriggers length (Gavin and Anne Lee) 13. 06:58 PM - Re: Electric winch or hand crank? (Martin Tuck) 14. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Re: Outriggers length (mau11) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:17 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: WAS Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs NOW Dynon Autopilot Rob Thanks for the drawing. The Dynon servo (as are a number of others) is mechanically identical to the TruTrak but has it's own electrical interface. The revised mods makes only minor changes/corrections but do authorise the use of the Dynon in the UK. As noted in the Mod, Dynon do not provide a bracket. You can use the TruTrak bracket or make you own. Revised mod 75 attached. If you want 76 let me know. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman Sent: 29 August 2011 15:55 Subject: WAS Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs NOW Dynon Autopilot Thanks again Ian. I am about to install the Dynon servos but lacking your update to the Mod, I compared the Dynon SV32 to the TruTrak B servo and having concluded that they are almost identical I came up with the attached mounting scheme. I would appreciate your comments and a copy of the Mod 75 and Mod 76 revisions. I designed and fabricated all of the mounting hardware to suit the Dynon servo since the factory did not offer a Mod - if you'd like I will send you the detailed drawings. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:12 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Bud Copy of Mod 75/3 attached to today=92s e-mail to Rob. Copy of Mod 71/3 with my Sunday e-mail. Copy of Mod 76/3 attached here. If you cannot find them let me know and I will send direct to you. I will change Mod 71/3 to include rounding off the spring ends and using 5/16 bolts (rather than =BC). I will send you a copy when it has been revised. Thanks for the explanation of the foot well change. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: 29 August 2011 22:15 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Ian, I am sure they are working as fast as they can.. I do not get into the loop on the finals of these mods as I am not the only person putting in changes. I would like to see the final issues sent to Andy if it is not too much trouble. Different folks are responsible for different mods so I am not privy to all the final touches until the Gods at the LAA pass judgment I'm afraid I just am too much of a maverick and "git 'er done", rather than mother may I. The clearance was necessary for a Jason Parker Fuel injected Rotax and a specialized frame for a 50 amp alternator that belt drives off the rear of the crank shaft and the alternator bracket didn't quite fit... We measured three times and it just was a little too tight, so I needed another 1/2 inch. Those little compromises we make for clearances. By putting the alternator off a belt drive, the maintenance and access in the engine compartment is superb, but the frame is a proprietary frame, similar to the Rotax frame, but modified for clearances for the belt... Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: G-IANI Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:07 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Bud After I replied to the e-mail last night, I realised that Mod 71 issue 3 is, in fact, sitting on Andy Draper=92s desk at the LAA. Andy has had it since May but, despite chasing, has yet to come back with the formal approval. The same applies to the revised mods 75 & 76. I think it would be helpful if I added your notes to the Mod 71 documentation. If you are happy with this I will send you a revised draft in a few day. When you are happy I will pass to LAA for formal approval. Out of interest, why was the forward, top, inboard corner of the stbd foot well removed in the attached picture? Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:34 AM PST US From: "Rob Housman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Thanks again, Bud. What I had not indicated is that I had all of my landing gear hardware powder coated so I tried hard not to damage the integrity of the coating (unavoidable on the Landing Gear Frame), ergo, drop the gear leg and place the lower hooks with minimal damage. In retrospect, perhaps flexing of the gear legs during even normal landings will craze, or worse, the powder coating. Too late to worry about that. I may try a long lever arm bolted to the LGF to assist in loading the springs in order to remove the spacers. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:25 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Rob, There isn't much room but it is sufficient with the hooks forward in the 2011 (which I still haven't seen final) version which is how I do the mod. If you don't have the engine, make friends with three 200 lb. agile guys to spring things into action. I am surprised that you don't leave the gear leg attached final as it is quite easy to snap the spring into place even working alone. As Bob Borger indicated in his email it takes a bit of rounding of the spring end, and a bit of a pull to get them in. One thing that was not forwarded though is I use a few 5/16 inch bolts to help lengthen the spring. Hopefully Bob's photo album shows that we took the time to prep and make sure the spring was dead straight. I have an unfair advantage that I have done many of these and frankly miss what I consider is obvious, which is not. Apologies for leaving that info out. Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Housman Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Thanks for the detailed reply. In the May 2006 version of the Mod it looks like the openings face aft but in the 2011 version the opening is forward. I elected to use the latest version for guidance. The Landing Gear Frame in my kit has several additional members so there is not much room for the upper hooks to move in either direction - they are trapped between two narrowly spaced tubes. In my case your other suggestions about getting the springs in place don't apply since I am doing Mod 71 right after Mod 72, so the engine is on the floor and not in the way. I also eliminated most of the hassle getting the springs in place by removing the tie wires and the four bolts on the pillow blocks that are the pivot points for the nose gear arm. With the leg free to move a bit (still restrained by the safety cable) I could get the lower hooks in place with minimum fuss. Of course, with the engine on the floor that leaves me to contemplate how to load the springs with sufficient force to remove the spacers. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Description: cid:image002.jpg@01CC6618.7F05B330Description: cid:image003.jpg@01CC6618.7F05B330Photo E-mail View slideshow | Download images Rob, Attached is a drawing of how I round off my springs and a photo of how we keep the spring from grinding into the steel frame by using small bits of stainless. Note that I install the springs with the openning forward. Please note the left and right hand wind requires you to place the springs so that they do not rub against the center tube. The springs can be installed facing aft but the last snap in is a bit difficult unless the entire wheel well is open or you are very strong. Forgive me that I do not have my tech article on how to install the springs any longer as folks were just not having problems and it went to archive somewhere. Bob Borger and Gary Leinberger may have photo's of us doing theirs if you ask.. Please round over the spring as per the drawing to make snapping the spring over the top tube less painful. You may do the lower part as well. One indispensible tool is a piece of stainless cable with handles on both ends to snap the spring up and over the top. I have one of the guys standing on the wheel well and pull it up to snap in the spring over the upper tube. Then he bounces on the front until the 5/16 and 1/4 inch bolts fall out. The other nice to have tool is a set of threaded rods with a couple of curved ends to help hold the gear up while I install, but rope or a strap works also...I just like steel to protect me from a rope brake or strap slip. It takes me with two helpers (for added weight), about 45 minutes to install the springs. Description: cid:image004.jpg@01CC6618.7F05B330 Description: cid:image005.jpg@01CC6618.7F05B330 Small pieces of stainless between the spring and frame glued in or just set in sealant will keep the spring from scratching up your frame and rusting later on. Even with an engine on you can see that putting a cable through the hook on the spring and pulling from above is an easy safe method to snap the spring in. Technique: I normally put the engine on to add weight when I am doing this operation alone. I put a strap around the gearbox and nose gear leg to pull the spring a bit to get the bolts to fall out then repeat. Please use safety precautions so as not to injure yourself when stretching and installing the springs and you will find it is an easy install. Regards, Bud Yerly Europa Tech Advisor Custom Flight Creations, Inc. www.customflightcreations.com (813) 653-4989 ----- Original Message ----- From: G-IANI Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:28 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs Rob I have attached a copy of Mod 71 issue 3 for information. The radius of the upper hook should be 38mm to fit the frame tube ( the lower is 32mm). I am not aware of any batch of springs which have been out of tolerance. If yours are please let Europa know. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman Sent: 27 August 2011 21:24 Subject: Europa-List: Mod 71 - Nose gear leg bungee, replacement with springs I've encountered another one of those "minor" problems I have come to accept as normal with the factory's step child, the Tri-Gear. The diameter of the Landing Gear Frame is 1.55 inch (39.4 mm) and the opening in the spring that must hook onto it is 1.35 inch (34.3 mm). This seems to allow for either of two solutions, neither one particularly elegant. 1) use brute force to deform the hook in the spring, 2) cut off some of the end of the hook. Comments and suggestions from those who have perhaps already dealt with this, or anyone else for that matter, would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, California Europa XS Rotax 914 S/N A070 Airframe complete Avionics soon These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here. To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:26 AM PST US From: "Ivan Shaw" Subject: RE: Europa-List: LAA Rally Hi Steve, I'll be there Frid Sat and Sunday, but in the Liberty XL2. Look forward to seeing you. Regards Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock Sent: 28 August 2011 20:16 Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAA Rally GBYSA: Sunday only; Bob Hitchcock & Bryan Allsop ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Europa-List: LAA Rally On behalf of the Europa Club we would like to get an idea of how many Europas will attend this weekends LAA Rally (2nd to 4th September). We may be able to arrange a dedicated Europa 'line' for parking. Could you please let me know if you plan to attend with your name, registration and day(s) of attendance. Don't forget that Swift/Europa Group and members of the Club committee will be in attendance and will be pleased to see you over the weekend - refreshments should be available. Thanks Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:45 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers lenght From: "egp8111" I'm in the process of replacing my outriggers. Is there any tricks to getting the old ones out of the fittings that doesn't require brute force and bad words? thanks, EG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351022#351022 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:13 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank? Hi Martin Attached is my solution (how to pull my Mono to the hanger which locates on the small hill). As you can see, I trust to my tailwheel. Max pull force which is needed when pulling it into hanger is 40 kg which is not a problem for a sturdy structure of Europa=B4s tail wheel. The winch itself is actually an engine hoist which should be mounted to the roof. It is capable enough to pull/lift 150 kgs = 330 lbs. I did an adapter and bolted the hoist via adapter to the ground /asphalt. Remote controller is wired (a long cable, 12 metres /36 feet so I can well check all the clearances when pulling her). There are two limit switches so it is safe to use. It would be easy to make it wireless controlled but that is not necessary in my case. When using it I feel myself to be more an operator than a labour-pull-man. If I were you, I would watch ATV (All Terrain Vehicle) winches. Some of them are very strong and operates straight with 12 VDC. So it is easy to install into to the trailer. Cheers, Raimo Toivio Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 Updated flight hours /landings: 37500 Lempaala FINLAND p +358-3-3753 777 f +358-3-3753 100 toivio@fly.to www.rwm.fi -----Alkuper=E4inen viesti----- From: Martin Tuck Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:10 AM Subject: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank? Hi Folks, I think I asked this question before but I couldn't have kept the responses. Someone recommended a electric powered winch to pull my monowheel onto its trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but there are diametrically opposed views on how good a job they do. The main complaint being how slow they are or not very well built. Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't seem to find one with a wireless remote, some have a wired remote but the cable seems too short as I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep it level while the winch does it's thing. Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a hand crank - but the wings will need to be kept level. I have made some attachments which help some but once the tipping momentum gets going on side or the other my hinged spring legs give way. You guys that use a trailer all time must be using something. It takes me a good 30 mins to get everything up on the trailer and seemingly a lot of physical strength - not good when temps are in the 80s and 90s. Also, when cranking what is the best thing to attach the cable to? Cable round the axle on the side opposite to the brake came to mind. Not sure I would want to pull on the tailwheel although that seems an obvious choice. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days of 100+ F temps in Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. Today was 106 deg F. Phew! Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List Forums! List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:01 AM PST US From: "mau11" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers lenght X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 26 [cn] SSByZXBsYWNlIG15IG91dHJpZ2dlciB5ZXN0ZXJkYXksIGFuZCBmb3IgZGlzZW5nYWdlIHRoZSBu eWxvbiBmcm9tIHRoZSB0d28gZW5kIGZpdHRpbmdzIGl0IGlzIGltcG9zc2libGUuDQoNCkkgdXNl IHRoaXMgc29sdXRpb24sIEkgY3V0IHRoZSBueWxvbiBsZWcgbmVhciB0aGUgMiBmaXR0aW5ncyB3 aXRoIG1ldGFsIHNhdywgYW5kIG9uIGVhY2ggb2YgdGhlIHRvIGZpdHRpbmdzIGRyaWxsIOAgaG9s ZSAoMS80KSBvbiB0aGUgY2VudGVyIG9mIHRoZSBsZWcuDQpBZnRlciB1c2UgYSB3b29kZW4gZHJp bGwgKDMwIG1tIGRpYW1ldGVyKSBhbmQgZHJpbGwgc2xvd2x5IHRoZSBueWxvbi4gWW91IGZvbGxv dyB0aGUgYXhsZSBjZW50ZXIgb2YgdGhlIGxlZy4NCg0KU29ycnkgZm9yIG15IGJhZCBlbmdsaXNo IGlmIHlvdSBkb24ndCB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIGNvbnRhY3QgbWUgb2ZmIGxpc3QuDQoNCk1pY2hlbCBB VVZSQVkNCkJ1aWxkZXIgMTQ1IA0K ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:19 PM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers lenght Michel=0Ayour English is better than my French!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: mau11 =0ATo: europa- list =0ASent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2011 17:38:00 =0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers lenght=0A=0A I replace my outri gger yesterday, and for disengage the nylon from the two end =0Afittings i t is impossible.=0A =0AI use this solution, I cut the nylon leg near the 2 fittings with metal saw, =0Aand on each of the to fittings drill =C3- ho le (1/4) on the center of the leg.=0AAfter use a wooden drill (30 mm diame ter) and drill slowly the nylon. You =0Afollow the axle center of the leg. =0A =0ASorry for my bad english if you don't understand contact me off list .=0A =0AMichel AUVRAY=0ABuilder 145 =0A=C2=C2=B7=BA~=B0=C3 =AD=C2=B2,=C3=9Eg(=93=C5-=C3=93M4=C3=93G=C3=9Aq=C3=BC=C2=A2=C3 =C3=A2z=C2=B9=C3=9E=C3=81=C3=8A.=C2=AE'=C2=AB8^=C3=C3=A8=C2=A5=C2=A2=C3 =A2=C2=B2=C3=91&j)E=C2=A2=C2=BB=C2K=C2=B6=C5=92j=C3=9A=C3=A8=C5=BE',.+- =C3=C2=AD=C2=BA=C2=B7=C2=AC5=C2=AB=C3=A2=EF=BD=C2=ABh=C2=AE=C3=9A=C2 =AE=C5=92,{azf=C2=A7=C3=88=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B6=C3=ABb=93+bz=C3=8B.r=C2 =AC.+-R=C3=92=C2=B9=C2=BB=C2=AE*m=C5-=B0=C2=B7!=C5-=C3=B7 =99y=C2=C3=9C=9E:0=C5=BEZw=C2=B0=C3=9A=C3=88=C3=A8=C3=82=C3=87 =9A=C2=ABE-=B9h=C2=B2=C2=ABy=C2=A9=C3=9D=C5=A1=C3 =A7!=C5=A1=C3=A7!=C5=A1=C5-=C3=9E=C2=A1=C2=AD=C3=A7-=C3=9Bi=C3 =C3=BC0=C3=82f=C2=AD=C2=AE=B0=C3=A2r=C3=87(=BA=C3=B3Z=C2=BE(=C2 =B6=C5-=C3=84=C2=BA=C2=BA)h=C2=B8=C2=AC=C2=B6m=C2=A7=C3=C3=B0=C3=83 =C5=A1=C2=B6=C2=BA'=B0=C3=8B=C2=A2o=C3=8Dj=C3=B8 j=C3=9A+=C3=C3=A8 =C2=A5=C2=A2=C3=A2=C2=B2=C3=9F=C3=9A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:45 PM PST US From: "Hans J. Danielsen" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank? Hi Martin. A little late, but here goes: I use a hand crank to pull the airplane onto the trailer. The winch was pulled from an obsolete boat trailer and mounted just in front of the tailwheel rail - close to the attach-handle. Made a short piece of wire with an eye at both ends to fit around the protruding ends of the tailwheel axle. I hook the winch wire on to this small loop and simply crank the airplane home. Works a treat. Cheers Hans ---- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Tuck" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:10 AM Subject: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank? > > Hi Folks, > > I think I asked this question before but I couldn't have kept the > responses. > > Someone recommended a electric powered winch to pull my monowheel onto its > trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but there are diametrically > opposed views on how good a job they do. The main complaint being how slow > they are or not very well built. > > Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't seem to find one with a > wireless remote, some have a wired remote but the cable seems too short as > I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep it level while the winch does it's > thing. > > Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a hand crank - but the wings > will need to be kept level. I have made some attachments which help some > but once the tipping momentum gets going on side or the other my hinged > spring legs give way. You guys that use a trailer all time must be using > something. It takes me a good 30 mins to get everything up on the trailer > and seemingly a lot of physical strength - not good when temps are in the > 80s and 90s. > > Also, when cranking what is the best thing to attach the cable to? Cable > round the axle on the side opposite to the brake came to mind. Not sure I > would want to pull on the tailwheel although that seems an obvious choice. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days of 100+ F temps in > Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. Today was 106 deg F. > Phew! > > Regards, > Martin Tuck > N152MT > Wichita, Kansas > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:18 PM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAA Rally Thanks Ivan - look forward to seeing you and all the other Europas over the weekend. 50 plus and counting. Regards Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Ivan Shaw To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 4:55 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: LAA Rally Hi Steve, I'll be there Frid Sat and Sunday, but in the Liberty XL2. Look forward to seeing you. Regards Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock Sent: 28 August 2011 20:16 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAA Rally GBYSA: Sunday only; Bob Hitchcock & Bryan Allsop ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Europa-List: LAA Rally On behalf of the Europa Club we would like to get an idea of how many Europas will attend this weekends LAA Rally (2nd to 4th September). We may be able to arrange a dedicated Europa 'line' for parking. Could you please let me know if you plan to attend with your name, registration and day(s) of attendance. Don't forget that Swift/Europa Group and members of the Club committee will be in attendance and will be pleased to see you over the weekend - refreshments should be available. Thanks Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="h ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List< - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -http://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:56 PM PST US From: david park Subject: RE: Europa-List: LAA Rally Hi Steve=2C G-LDVO XS Mono --- Permit came today=2C pilot checked out=2C will be ther e Saturday=2C slot time 11.53 Regards Dave Park From: ivanshaw@btinternet.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: LAA Rally Hi Steve=2C I=92ll be there Frid Sat and Sunday=2C but in the Liberty XL2. Look forward to seeing you. Regards Ivan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock Sent: 28 August 2011 20:16 Subject: Re: Europa-List: LAA Rally GBYSA: Sunday only=3B Bob Hitchcock & Bryan Allsop ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Pitt Sent: Sunday=2C August 28=2C 2011 9:50 AM Subject: Europa-List: LAA Rally On behalf of the Europa Club we would like to get an idea of how many Europ as will attend this weekends LAA Rally (2nd to 4th September). We may be ab le to arrange a dedicated Europa 'line' for parking. Could you please let m e know if you plan to attend with your name=2C registration and day(s) of a ttendance. Don't forget that Swift/Europa Group and members of the Club committee will be in attendance and will be pleased to see you over the weekend - refresh ments should be available. Thanks Steve Pitt Chairman=2C Europa Club href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa- List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m atronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matro nics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List< - MAT RONICS WEB FORUMS -http://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/cont ribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:45 PM PST US From: "Gavin and Anne Lee" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers length I had some luck by putting the outrigger leg in the freezer overnight, the nylon appears to shrink more than the metal fittings, you have to be quick when you take it out though as the nylon comes back up to temperature quite quickly Good luck Gavin Lee...... #355......ZK-EPA -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of egp8111 Sent: Wednesday, 31 August 2011 4:01 a.m. Subject: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers lenght I'm in the process of replacing my outriggers. Is there any tricks to getting the old ones out of the fittings that doesn't require brute force and bad words? thanks, EG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351022#351022 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:32 PM PST US From: Martin Tuck Subject: Re: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank? Hi Hans, I couple of other e-mails also indicate that it is safe to pull on the tail-wheel axle so I think that is how I will go. You mentioned you have a hand crank - which has you at the 'working end'. How do you stabilize the wings if no-one is there to help? Martin On 8/30/2011 2:38 PM, Hans J. Danielsen wrote: > > Hi Martin. > > A little late, but here goes: I use a hand crank to pull the airplane > onto the trailer. The winch was pulled from an obsolete boat trailer > and mounted just in front of the tailwheel rail - close to the > attach-handle. Made a short piece of wire with an eye at both ends to > fit around the protruding ends of the tailwheel axle. I hook the winch > wire on to this small loop and simply crank the airplane home. Works a > treat. > > Cheers > Hans > > > ---- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Tuck" > To: "Europa Builders Forum" > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 2:10 AM > Subject: Europa-List: Electric winch or hand crank? > > >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I think I asked this question before but I couldn't have kept the >> responses. >> >> Someone recommended a electric powered winch to pull my monowheel >> onto its trailer. I've read some reviews on Amazon but there are >> diametrically opposed views on how good a job they do. The main >> complaint being how slow they are or not very well built. >> >> Ideally I would want one with a remote but I can't seem to find one >> with a wireless remote, some have a wired remote but the cable seems >> too short as I want to hold onto the wingtip to keep it level while >> the winch does it's thing. >> >> Alternatively I could keep it simple and use a hand crank - but the >> wings will need to be kept level. I have made some attachments which >> help some but once the tipping momentum gets going on side or the >> other my hinged spring legs give way. You guys that use a trailer all >> time must be using something. It takes me a good 30 mins to get >> everything up on the trailer and seemingly a lot of physical strength >> - not good when temps are in the 80s and 90s. >> >> Also, when cranking what is the best thing to attach the cable to? >> Cable round the axle on the side opposite to the brake came to mind. >> Not sure I would want to pull on the tailwheel although that seems an >> obvious choice. >> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated. >> >> Not much flying this summer - we have had 45 days of 100+ F temps in >> Wichita so far this year. The record is 50 days. Today was 106 deg F. >> Phew! >> >> Regards, >> Martin Tuck >> N152MT >> Wichita, Kansas >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:43 PM PST US From: "mau11" Subject: Re: RE: Europa-List: Re: Outriggers length X-mailer: Foxmail 6, 15, 201, 26 [cn] Hi Gavin, Thanks for this method. In the first time I used the freezer solution but impossible to disengage the nylon leg, the nylon contraction is not sufficient, after I use also the inverted solution with heating the aluminium and stainless steel parts, but no results. Finally I adopte the last solution with the saw and drill. After I state that the nylon is dry and glueing to the two parts in the time, but when I install the legs during the construction, I use aeroshell grease between nylon Aluminium and stainless steel. In the time, the nylon leg with humidity swollen, also original leg is raw, now the new legs diameter are reduce of 0.5 mm it is more easy to slide into the 2 end fittings. 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