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1. 03:45 AM - Fuel Tank Leaking, advice needed. (goff)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: 3rd Dutch Light Aircraft Flyin 2011 (goff)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Leaking, advice needed. (G-IANI)
4. 07:16 AM - Co-pilot - just for in case... (Raimo Toivio)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Leaking, advice needed. (Dale Hetrick)
6. 08:50 AM - Re: Co-pilot - just for in case... (David Joyce)
7. 05:56 PM - corrosion on pitch torque tube (Andrew Sarangan)
8. 07:21 PM - Re: corrosion on pitch torque tube (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Leaking, advice needed. |
The fuel tank on our Europa Xs Tri-Gear is leaking. It appears to be coming from
the rear starboard side of the tank, and the rate is about 0.25 litres an hour.
We will have to replace the tank. We need a repair plan to agree with our inspector.
Does anyone have one or something similar that will help us develop one?
Any advice or information welcome.
Does anyone have an unused tank they don't want?
What a pain.
Goff Moore
p/p Peter Field & Ian Swankie
G-CHOX
Kit #566, delivered 2002, first flight 2007, TTAF 170 hrs, Mogas.
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| Subject: | Re: 3rd Dutch Light Aircraft Flyin 2011 |
Tim,
Unfortunately Europa G-CHOX has just gone unserviceable, and can't make the Fly-In.
But a friend has lent me his Robin DR 400-120, so I will still be coming.
Goff
Goff Moore
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Leaking, advice needed. |
Goff
As I told Peter on the phone, Terry has the tank from G-IRON available. It
is undamaged but as yet I have not cut it out of the airframe.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Co-pilot - just for in case... |
Hi All
I have asked and my wife has permitted me to educate her unoffiacially
to fly our Europa.
That is only just for in case =93 if something will happen to me
when airborne (with our daughters), it is a much more relaxing case when
she is capable enough to take controls.
We have only two missions:
1) she have to navigate from any location to the nearest possible
airfield or landing area.
2) she have to make a succesful landing (= all the passengers can walk
out using their own legs and hands only)
3) she have to know how to select an emergency frequency and how to talk
to radio =9CHi I am Marke and now I am piloting this machine
OH-XRT...request some assistance...=9D.
It is not obvious that same time she should handle simultaneously
technical multifailures and horrible storm winds. Just fly home and land
safe enough (with a groundloop or not).
To get an ability to do this, she has followed me to fly hundreds of
hours and we have talked much about flying.
During this summer I have given the controls of the plane for her
several times.
Yesterday it was a time for a final step. We were over the base at 3000
ft and practised low speed flight until she was capable enough to keep
the altitude and the heading at the speed 60 knots with flaps and gears
and at the speed 70 knots with a clean configuration, also some turns.
Once again we repeated how to find a suitable landing place through GPS.
***
She was using IFR goggles when I flied half an hour away and made
several maneuvers until she had now idea where we were.
Then she took the controls, pressed =9CGo Nrst=9D, made a
choise EFTP, =9CEnter=9D and =9CEnter=9D.
Now she had a heading bug home, with autopilot or not (she wanted to fly
be herself).
She decided to join direct to the long final 24.
Her glideslope was just perfect, speed was 70 knots like nailed.
There was some difficulties to lower the gears using left hand from the
co-pilot seat but se managed to do it and also lock them =93 she
got green lights.
Landing was smooth =93 it was almost calm.
I took controls just after touch down =93 it was not necessary for
our health but maybe to prevent some possible damages for the plane (as
we all Mono-pilots know, it is a bit wild to handle and needs full time
authority just after touch down and just before rotateing).
***
I am so proud of her. This a good insurance and gives some equanimity
for us.
I recommend!
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 248,6 /445
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Leaking, advice needed. |
Goff,
I just returned from my hangar where I discovered that the fuel tank on my
tri-gear was also leaking and also on the starboard side. The plane only
has a little over 100 hours on it. I hope I won't have to replace it!
Please let me know what you learn about repair or replacement.
Thanks,
Dale Hetrick
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 3:42 AM, goff <goffmoore@aviators.net> wrote:
>
> The fuel tank on our Europa Xs Tri-Gear is leaking. It appears to be coming
> from the rear starboard side of the tank, and the rate is about 0.25 litres
> an hour.
>
> We will have to replace the tank. We need a repair plan to agree with our
> inspector. Does anyone have one or something similar that will help us
> develop one? Any advice or information welcome.
>
> Does anyone have an unused tank they don't want?
>
> What a pain.
>
> Goff Moore
> p/p Peter Field & Ian Swankie
>
> G-CHOX
> Kit #566, delivered 2002, first flight 2007, TTAF 170 hrs, Mogas.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351448#351448
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Co-pilot - just for in case... |
Raimo, Congratulations - should be compulsory for all regular flying
partners.
Regards, David Joyce , G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Co-pilot - just for in case...
Hi All
I have asked and my wife has permitted me to educate her unoffiacially to
fly our Europa.
That is only just for in case if something will happen to me when airborne
(with our daughters), it is a much more relaxing case when she is capable
enough to take controls.
We have only two missions:
1) she have to navigate from any location to the nearest possible airfield
or landing area.
2) she have to make a succesful landing (= all the passengers can walk out
using their own legs and hands only)
3) she have to know how to select an emergency frequency and how to talk to
radio Hi I am Marke and now I am piloting this machine OH-XRT...request
some assistance....
It is not obvious that same time she should handle simultaneously technical
multifailures and horrible storm winds. Just fly home and land safe enough
(with a groundloop or not).
To get an ability to do this, she has followed me to fly hundreds of hours
and we have talked much about flying.
During this summer I have given the controls of the plane for her several
times.
Yesterday it was a time for a final step. We were over the base at 3000 ft
and practised low speed flight until she was capable enough to keep the
altitude and the heading at the speed 60 knots with flaps and gears and at
the speed 70 knots with a clean configuration, also some turns.
Once again we repeated how to find a suitable landing place through GPS.
***
She was using IFR goggles when I flied half an hour away and made several
maneuvers until she had now idea where we were.
Then she took the controls, pressed Go Nrst, made a choise EFTP, Enter
and Enter.
Now she had a heading bug home, with autopilot or not (she wanted to fly be
herself).
She decided to join direct to the long final 24.
Her glideslope was just perfect, speed was 70 knots like nailed.
There was some difficulties to lower the gears using left hand from the
co-pilot seat but se managed to do it and also lock them she got green
lights.
Landing was smooth it was almost calm.
I took controls just after touch down it was not necessary for our health
but maybe to prevent some possible damages for the plane (as we all
Mono-pilots know, it is a bit wild to handle and needs full time authority
just after touch down and just before rotateing).
***
I am so proud of her. This a good insurance and gives some equanimity for
us.
I recommend!
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 248,6 /445
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
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| Subject: | corrosion on pitch torque tube |
I found my steel pitch tube (the one that goes on the back of the
cockpit module) has surface corrosion, mostly near the tab weld
joints. I suspect the plating must have been stripped off during the
welding process. The tube is dark brown, almost black, and I am unsure
if that means it is zinc plated or something else. I was thinking of
scrubbing the whole tube in alumiprep (dilute phosphoric acid) and
then painting with zinc chromate primer. I don't have any experience
working with this type of steel, and what effect if any phosphoric
acid has, so I would appreciate any input on this.
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| Subject: | Re: corrosion on pitch torque tube |
Andrew Sarangan wrote:
> I found my steel pitch tube (the one that goes on the back of the
> cockpit module) has surface corrosion, mostly near the tab weld
> joints. I suspect the plating must have been stripped off during the
> welding process. The tube is dark brown, almost black, and I am unsure
> if that means it is zinc plated or something else. I was thinking of
> scrubbing the whole tube in alumiprep (dilute phosphoric acid) and
> then painting with zinc chromate primer. I don't have any experience
> working with this type of steel, and what effect if any phosphoric
> acid has, so I would appreciate any input on this.
Andrew,
In my case, all my steel components (Kit #A194) appeared to be raw w/
a blackened finish...there were a few small areas of surface rust
which I removed w/ fine wetsand paper and solvent...I had a shop
powder coat the steel pieces and I sprayed zinc chromate primer on all
aluminum pieces except for the landing gear.
Fred
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