---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/29/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:00 AM - Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic (tennant) 2. 12:03 AM - Re: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really (Richard Churchill-Coleman) 3. 01:06 AM - Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic (zwakie) 4. 01:43 AM - Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic (zwakie) 5. 03:14 AM - Re: Oil Cooler move to below the Spinner (zwakie) 6. 03:46 AM - Re: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic (Frans Veldman) 7. 08:32 AM - Gary Bridges (flyingphil2) 8. 11:30 AM - Re: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really (graeme bird) 9. 01:29 PM - Fuel Filler Tube (Tony Renshaw) 10. 11:04 PM - Wings and Wheels Fly-In/Cruise-In (Steve Eberhart) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:37 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic From: "tennant" Zwaki, Before you make any big changes try putting some spacers between the bottom of the cowling and the fuselage to increase the gap for the air to exit the cowling. The Europa was first designed without the firewall behind the engine. As such there was no restriction to the exit air. After the firewall was fitted the exit area was considerably reduced which reduces flow through the reds. I found a several degree reduction in temperatures after increasing the exit area. It is worth a try. Barry -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353492#353492 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:23 AM PST US From: "Richard Churchill-Coleman" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really Hi Richard I can't help on the Mod I'm afraid but on the 8.33Khz front - EUROCONTROL own this proposal and their strategy and implementing rules are set out on a microsite here: http://www.eurocontrol.int/vhf833/public/standard_page/below_fl195_v1.html Basically, it says use of 8.33 below FL195 is likely to be mandatory for new installations 1 year after they pass the implementing rules. Current timetable looks like they might be proposed and passed summer 2012, so mandatory installation from summer 2013 ish.....with a mandatory retrofit deadline for units already in service by about 6 or 7 years after that. Richard C-C Mono 912S G-RPCC I think we might be neck and neck on build completion or 90% done with 90% to do! There is a std Europa Club mod for a strobe on the top of the tailplane No SM 10401 that should do it.I am being asked for an LAA mod for fuel line piping which I have completed in 5/16 aluminium tube with AN fittings and recited the fuel valve on the floor of the fuselage with an extension control shaft coming up through the centre section of the cockpit module just behind the brake parking valve, has anyone got an existing mod for this? Also I am going to have to buy a radio soon anyone have any thoughts no what to go for and how soon will 8.33 separation become mandatory? I still have loads to do. Trigear Rotax 912ul G-CGZV Richard Collings ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic From: "zwakie" tennant wrote: > try putting some spacers between the bottom of the cowling and the fuselage to increase the gap for the air to exit the cowling. > Hi Barry, That is exactly what I tried first. It only gave me 3-4 degrees drop in oil temp, not nearly the drop I am looking for. Thanks for reminding though. Marcel -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353495#353495 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:04 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic From: "zwakie" frans(at)privatepilots.nl wrote: > Yes, I have one as my primary oil cooler. I thought your oil cooler installed on the starboard footwell with its own inlet was your primary? Maybe I missed something... [Wink] frans(at)privatepilots.nl wrote: > I have some good news for you: I have a spare mocal left over. I started with a small one but it was too small for my 914, so I replaced it with a bigger one. The small one should work very well for your engine. > > You are free to try it and/or make an offer. You only need to order the oil connectors for it as I re-used them for my new Laminova. Great offer! If and when I take this approach, I definitely would like to test your spare mocal to see if its capacity suits my engine. I will contact you off-list when the time has come (I wouldn't be surprised if that will be shortly, the more I read about oil-water heat exchangers, the more I like them :-) ). frans(at)privatepilots.nl wrote: > I can point you to some silicone hose suppliers as well so you can plumb it in. Yes please, can you mention some suppliers here on the list? -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353496#353496 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Oil Cooler move to below the Spinner From: "zwakie" Thanks Tim for the pictures. I like your setup without a snout, but that's a matter of personal taste of course... Do you have any pictures from the arrangement inside the cowl? -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353500#353500 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:06 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic On 09/29/2011 10:39 AM, zwakie wrote: >> Yes, I have one as my primary oil cooler. > > I thought your oil cooler installed on the starboard footwell with its own inlet was your primary? Maybe I missed something... [Wink] Yes, you missed that that was a temporary setup to keep us flying. Last spring I took it out and redesigned the entire cooling, to fix the cooling problems for once and for all, and to reduce cooling drag at the same time. A heat exchanger for the oil eliminates yet another air entry and radiator drag, eliminates the need for an oil thermostat, and makes it possible to aerodynamically clean up the inside of the cowling. I have now only three air inlets in the cowling: One for the coolant radiator, one 3 inch opening for the engine inlet and intercooler (with butterfly valve to close it during the cruise), and one 3 inch opening for cylinder cooling and aux oil rad. That's all. No gills, no frills, nothing. All air, after having passed the radiators and cylinders is collected inside the cowling, and routed via the underside of the engine, taking the heat of sump, exhaust and turbo with it on its way out. All openings are sealed off. The entire nose wheel area is also fully closed. There is (besides the exhaust ducting/augmentor) only one air outlet, equipped with a servo controlled cowl flap, and typically during cruise it is just 1cm (!) open. Compare that to the XS-cowling air exit, which despite its monstreous size appears to be still too small. > Great offer! If and when I take this approach, I definitely would like to test your spare mocal to see if its capacity suits my engine. Well, it is not a spare actually as it is too small for the 914. It is just laying around until I find time to put it on eBay or so. Frans ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:36 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Gary Bridges From: "flyingphil2" Hi, Can anyone give me an email address for Gary Bridges (in the US)? Alternatively, can anyone put him in touch with me? Thanks, Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353518#353518 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Need an LAA mod for wing tip strobe - really From: "graeme bird" Richard, I tried that - quoting the stobe, mod but it was rejected, too different Re the radio I have a Filsner 833 in my C42 and now Europa and have been very pleased with in the C42, I like the dual listen and intercom. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Warp drive FP Build nearing completion Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=353537#353537 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:54 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Fuel Filler Tube Gidday, I'm working on attaching the cobra filler tube to the fuse, and am wondering if there is a strategy to use a thin layer of rubber between the tube and the BID strapping, so that it is held in position, and yet only attached at the filler end? I have done the work to isolate the loads with balsa sandwiched between BID and so it might be overkill, but I'd like to hear others views. If there is a smart way to get the redux in around the cap throat, so that it makes a nice seal, I'd appreciate it. The book method seems not the best way, and I am wondering about injecting the redux, and possibly making up a rubber gasket to go in first, and allow the redux to accumulate behind and completely fill the void. Must be a way to get an absolutely perfect seal. 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