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| Subject: | Re: Entry to the UK |
Thanks for your support Alan,
The system is such that there is an automatic reply which you have to carry with
you. It was no problem and I had a superb flight to Cardiff direct from EDLM.
Nobody wanted to see it, or even my passport for that matter!
On the way back yesterday we met up with Dave Bosomworth in the air over Goodwood
as he had heared us on Solent Radar frequency.
Best regards
Barry
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Barry Tennant
D-EHBT
At EDLM - Germany
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle |
Dear Graham,
that was a good one. But is was not reality this time: when I took power
off during a long and high final, it was really off.
So it was a glide abroach but only because I wanted so (and the engine
was idling).
Raimo OH-XRT Finland
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Could be Trev. One carb on fixed power and the other on variable
therefore only smooth at one power setting. Must have been a glide
approach when you got home Raimo?
Graham
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From: "Trevpond@aol.com" <Trevpond@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, 3 October, 2011 22:31:05
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Hi Raimo,
Sticky carbuerettor slide.
regards
Trev
G-LINN
In a message dated 03/10/2011 21:33:37 GMT Daylight Time,
bill.sue@orcon.net.nz writes:
Hi Raimo,
I suggest your spinner cracked at the rear and lost a piece of metal
or the retaining screw.
Cheers from New Zealand
ZK CHV
MONO XS. 914. Airmaster.
950hrs
Sue & Bill
On 4/10/2011 8:49 a.m., Tim Ward wrote:
Hi Raimo,
Yes I am Tim=99s daughter, Hannah, and my second guess is;
Was the Airmaster Auto/Man switch left on Man for the Take-off?
Cheers,
Hannah
Tim Ward,
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch 8052
New Zealand
Ph; 03 3515166
Mob; 0210640221
email; ward.t@xtra.co.nz
From: Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:58 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Hanna,
are you sure you are Hanna or in fact Tim, Hanna=C2=B4s dad (who is
going to try to win desperately the shipment from Finland) ? ;)
If you really are Hanna; you may try 2nd time, because you are a
pilot=C2=B4s daughter.
Please read my first mail once again carefully: I wrote
=9CSoon until well over the ground at altitude +500 feet with
full power and 2nd fuel pump still on ... =9C
Notice also, these words below are really essential info, something
maybe to do with prop/pwr =93settings:
=9CThose minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to
manual and drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings
and also a 2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a
climb mode (in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I
got quite a comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home.
=9C
***
All,
One of you is now really close, physically say 50 mm /2" inches.
Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT Finland
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:39 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Raimo,
Two thoughts.
Fuel starvation with the fuel pumps not turned on for take off?
Cheers,
Hannah
Tim daughter
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 3/10/2011, at 4:58 AM, "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
wrote:
All
I have got plenty of good guesses via list and also direct.
Some of you have hoped I will not publish them with their names
and do not worry I wont=C2=B4t.
Graham =93 I /we got an empty message from you =93
please retype it =93 I am sure it will be a good info.
One of you have guessed the problem was because a broken de-icing
rubber in the prop blade. That=C2=B4s good but unfortunately my Europa
is so far still missing de-icing systems totally. They would be soon
very useful in Finland.
***
No one has so far found a reason for my vibra.
So there are still a possibility to get an Xmas packet from
Finland.
I quarantee the shipment will be worth of making a good guess.
***
Tips:
- the reason was off /on or black /white =93type and very
easy to repair; it was fixed in seconds.
- when finally found it was not invisible at all.
Go On!
Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT
From: Raimo Toivio
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:44 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
All
I have hope-so a nice riddle for you.
Maybe all the answers are useful =93 let=C2=B4s collect them
all:
***
Yesterday I took off from a very remote /small /windy (90 degrees
12 knots and gusting MUCH) grass strip. Soon until well over the ground
at altitude +500 feet with full power and 2nd fuel pump still on and
gears up I felt suddenly let us say medium or more shake and vibration.
My immediate reaction was to go around and land immediately but
abandoned because wind was so furious and I felt I cannot do that (a
succesful landing).
I decided to try to fly to the next possible sensible airfield
EFHV which was 10 minutes apart.
Those minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual
and drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also
a 2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode
(in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a
comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home. My airspeed was w
that selection about 110 knots but because of a strong headwind GS was
only about 70 knots (wanted to be clearly over the ground at 3000 ft
because it was well over sunset and totally dark, yesterday we got
sunset around 1600 Zulutime and time was well over 1630 when flying).
So, I pushed home one looooong hour. All the aerodynamics were
well. I was a bit worried my engine will separate or so. When trying to
push more pwr it was more vibra and when trying to pull less pwr same. I
Followed a main highway and decided to land there if feeling so. Cars
there with lights are almost like a lighted runway...
Finally landing to the EFTP flawlesly.
***
Today we had a FHGP (Family Hangar Grill Party). I tried to check
my plane as well as I can. I found something. Very small evidence but
something anyway. I tried to fix it and had a test run. I elected to go
to fly =93 hey I am a test pilot who else =93 and She was
better than ever!
I managed to do 2 touches and goes when C172 did one with same
runway.
140 knots during downwind makes me always happy.
***
So =93 dear Ladies and Gentlemen =93 what was wrong?
It would be nice and very life-useful to hear your opinions or
guesses what was wrong.
***
The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
The Prize: The Best Guess will get a Very Special Xmas Present
from Finland!
***
I will let you know a solution after a week =93 be patient.
Have a nice weekend and
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle |
Luc,
what is your girlfriend=B4s opinion?
If your wife=B4s name is Francoise, I am sure you have a mistress or
even several.
R
do not archive
From: Luc Michaud
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Hello this is Fran=E7oise, Luc's wife.
Could it be something that obstructed the airflow to the airbox in an
intermittent manner ? Such as a leaf flapping ?
I assume that now, as all spouses, I do get a 2nd chance... I will use
it soon...
Regards from Montreal,
Fran=E7oise, Luc and little Iris...
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 09:58, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
Hanna,
are you sure you are Hanna or in fact Tim, Hanna=B4s dad (who is going
to try to win desperately the shipment from Finland) ? ;)
If you really are Hanna; you may try 2nd time, because you are a
pilot=B4s daughter.
Please read my first mail once again carefully: I wrote
=93Soon until well over the ground at altitude +500 feet with full
power and 2nd fuel pump still on ... =93
Notice also, these words below are really essential info, something
maybe to do with prop/pwr 'settings:
=93Those minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual and
drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also a
2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode
(in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a
comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home. =93
***
All,
One of you is now really close, physically say 50 mm /2" inches.
Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT Finland
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:39 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Raimo,
Two thoughts.
Fuel starvation with the fuel pumps not turned on for take off?
Cheers,
Hannah
Tim daughter
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 3/10/2011, at 4:58 AM, "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
All
I have got plenty of good guesses via list and also direct.
Some of you have hoped I will not publish them with their names and
do not worry I wont=B4t.
Graham ' I /we got an empty message from you ' please retype it
' I am sure it will be a good info.
One of you have guessed the problem was because a broken de-icing
rubber in the prop blade. That=B4s good but unfortunately my Europa is
so far still missing de-icing systems totally. They would be soon very
useful in Finland.
***
No one has so far found a reason for my vibra.
So there are still a possibility to get an Xmas packet from Finland.
I quarantee the shipment will be worth of making a good guess.
***
Tips:
- the reason was off /on or black /white 'type and very easy to
repair; it was fixed in seconds.
- when finally found it was not invisible at all.
Go On!
Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT
From: Raimo Toivio
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:44 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
All
I have hope-so a nice riddle for you.
Maybe all the answers are useful ' let=B4s collect them all:
***
Yesterday I took off from a very remote /small /windy (90 degrees 12
knots and gusting MUCH) grass strip. Soon until well over the ground at
altitude +500 feet with full power and 2nd fuel pump still on and gears
up I felt suddenly let us say medium or more shake and vibration. My
immediate reaction was to go around and land immediately but abandoned
because wind was so furious and I felt I cannot do that (a succesful
landing).
I decided to try to fly to the next possible sensible airfield EFHV
which was 10 minutes apart.
Those minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual and
drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also a
2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode
(in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a
comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home. My airspeed was w
that selection about 110 knots but because of a strong headwind GS was
only about 70 knots (wanted to be clearly over the ground at 3000 ft
because it was well over sunset and totally dark, yesterday we got
sunset around 1600 Zulutime and time was well over 1630 when flying).
So, I pushed home one looooong hour. All the aerodynamics were well.
I was a bit worried my engine will separate or so. When trying to push
more pwr it was more vibra and when trying to pull less pwr same. I
Followed a main highway and decided to land there if feeling so. Cars
there with lights are almost like a lighted runway...
Finally landing to the EFTP flawlesly.
***
Today we had a FHGP (Family Hangar Grill Party). I tried to check my
plane as well as I can. I found something. Very small evidence but
something anyway. I tried to fix it and had a test run. I elected to go
to fly ' hey I am a test pilot who else ' and She was better than
ever!
I managed to do 2 touches and goes when C172 did one with same
runway.
140 knots during downwind makes me always happy.
***
So ' dear Ladies and Gentlemen ' what was wrong?
It would be nice and very life-useful to hear your opinions or
guesses what was wrong.
***
The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
The Prize: The Best Guess will get a Very Special Xmas Present from
Finland!
***
I will let you know a solution after a week ' be patient.
Have a nice weekend and
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
<Europa%20A2A-ala2OK[1].png>
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Updated flight hours /landings: 258,3
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
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f +358-3-3753 100
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| Subject: | Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle |
Dear Hannah (your name is beautiful, may I ask how old ... oh...do you
have any flying lisence?)
***
No it was not. The strip was very short (w wet long grass) and a
sidewind was at uncomfortable level. I triplechecked everything before
takeoff run:
1) prop T.O. & auto
2) 2nd fuel pump on
3) both mags on
4) trim there where I like it to be with that configuration and load and
selected =9Cstick=9D and =9Cfast trim=9D
5) doors locked and pip-pinned
6) loose items secured
7) free controls
8) necessary lights on
9) xpdr on
10) TCAS on
11) no red lights
12) runway seems to be free
During acceleration:
1) engine revs at or near 5800 rpm
2) ASI is alive
During my CS-prop test flight period I tried couple of times what
happens when I do so (leave it on manual during take-off with full
power).
Both times the departure run was quick and engine rpms were after
rotating around 6500 rpm.
Second time I tried it until at 1000 ft QFE.
Rotax was singing smooth and no noticeable problems at all.
I have heard a gossip that Rotax factory accepts this is ok for
=9C a moment =9C but of course they will not publish it.
Do not take this very seriously or literally or at all.
Anyway, I would be not so worried about overrevs with Rotax (912S).
Raimo OH-XRT Finland
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Hi Raimo,
Yes I am Tim=99s daughter, Hannah, and my second guess is;
Was the Airmaster Auto/Man switch left on Man for the Take-off?
Cheers,
Hannah
Tim Ward,
12 Waiwetu Street,
Fendalton,
Christchurch 8052
New Zealand
Ph; 03 3515166
Mob; 0210640221
email; ward.t@xtra.co.nz
From: Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Hanna,
are you sure you are Hanna or in fact Tim, Hanna=C2=B4s dad (who is
going to try to win desperately the shipment from Finland) ? ;)
If you really are Hanna; you may try 2nd time, because you are a
pilot=C2=B4s daughter.
Please read my first mail once again carefully: I wrote
=9CSoon until well over the ground at altitude +500 feet with full
power and 2nd fuel pump still on ... =9C
Notice also, these words below are really essential info, something
maybe to do with prop/pwr =93settings:
=9CThose minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual
and drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also
a 2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode
(in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a
comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home. =9C
***
All,
One of you is now really close, physically say 50 mm /2" inches.
Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT Finland
From: Tim Ward
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
Raimo,
Two thoughts.
Fuel starvation with the fuel pumps not turned on for take off?
Cheers,
Hannah
Tim daughter
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 3/10/2011, at 4:58 AM, "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
All
I have got plenty of good guesses via list and also direct.
Some of you have hoped I will not publish them with their names and do
not worry I wont=C2=B4t.
Graham =93 I /we got an empty message from you =93 please
retype it =93 I am sure it will be a good info.
One of you have guessed the problem was because a broken de-icing
rubber in the prop blade. That=C2=B4s good but unfortunately my Europa
is so far still missing de-icing systems totally. They would be soon
very useful in Finland.
***
No one has so far found a reason for my vibra.
So there are still a possibility to get an Xmas packet from Finland.
I quarantee the shipment will be worth of making a good guess.
***
Tips:
- the reason was off /on or black /white =93type and very easy
to repair; it was fixed in seconds.
- when finally found it was not invisible at all.
Go On!
Cheers, Raimo OH-XRT
From: Raimo Toivio
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 10:44 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle
All
I have hope-so a nice riddle for you.
Maybe all the answers are useful =93 let=C2=B4s collect them
all:
***
Yesterday I took off from a very remote /small /windy (90 degrees 12
knots and gusting MUCH) grass strip. Soon until well over the ground at
altitude +500 feet with full power and 2nd fuel pump still on and gears
up I felt suddenly let us say medium or more shake and vibration. My
immediate reaction was to go around and land immediately but abandoned
because wind was so furious and I felt I cannot do that (a succesful
landing).
I decided to try to fly to the next possible sensible airfield EFHV
which was 10 minutes apart.
Those minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual and
drived it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also a
2nd fuel filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode
(in my case 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a
comfortable flying mode and I headed straight home. My airspeed was w
that selection about 110 knots but because of a strong headwind GS was
only about 70 knots (wanted to be clearly over the ground at 3000 ft
because it was well over sunset and totally dark, yesterday we got
sunset around 1600 Zulutime and time was well over 1630 when flying).
So, I pushed home one looooong hour. All the aerodynamics were well. I
was a bit worried my engine will separate or so. When trying to push
more pwr it was more vibra and when trying to pull less pwr same. I
Followed a main highway and decided to land there if feeling so. Cars
there with lights are almost like a lighted runway...
Finally landing to the EFTP flawlesly.
***
Today we had a FHGP (Family Hangar Grill Party). I tried to check my
plane as well as I can. I found something. Very small evidence but
something anyway. I tried to fix it and had a test run. I elected to go
to fly =93 hey I am a test pilot who else =93 and She was
better than ever!
I managed to do 2 touches and goes when C172 did one with same runway.
140 knots during downwind makes me always happy.
***
So =93 dear Ladies and Gentlemen =93 what was wrong?
It would be nice and very life-useful to hear your opinions or guesses
what was wrong.
***
The Rules: one single guess per person, please.
The Prize: The Best Guess will get a Very Special Xmas Present from
Finland!
***
I will let you know a solution after a week =93 be patient.
Have a nice weekend and
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
<Europa%20A2A-ala2OK[1].png>
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 258,3
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
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| Subject: | Re: Sealing the water and oil coolers in a Classic |
zwakie wrote:
>
> frans(at)privatepilots.nl wrote:
> > Oil won't siphon out, unless there is the tiniest air leak somewhere in the
system.
>
> (I am trying to understand the physics at work in the section between oil tank
and sucking oil pump, hence following questions - please forgive my ignorance
[Wink] )
>
> (let's assume no leaks anywhere) I would expect siphoning in either direction
can only be avoided if and when both of the following are true in case engine
is not running:
> 1. oil pump does not allow air from inside engine to creep back into this section
nor does it allow oil to flow into the engine
> 2. oil tank does not allow air to creep into this section either
>
> Can anyone confirm that the oil pump indeed prevents air from creeping back into
the hose and prevent oil from flowing into the engine - is it by any chance
the hydraulic valve tappet that takes care of this?.
> If I am misunderstanding this part completely, can anyone please explain what
physics are at work to close down this end of the section?
>
> Assuming that the oil pump does indeed stop oil and air from flowing in either
direction, I would think that the 'pipe' that sucks oil from the oil tank prevents
siphoning from that end because it sits well below the oil tank's oil level
(preventing air from entering that section). Is this reasoning correct?
Anyone please?
--------
Marcel
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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