---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/08/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - Re: Naca vents (Remi Guerner) 2. 03:47 AM - Re: Battery Location with a 914 (Frans Veldman) 3. 03:55 AM - Re: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands (Frans Veldman) 4. 05:27 AM - Re: Re: Naca vents (Peter Jeffers) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Battery Location with a 914 (Paul McAllister) 6. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Naca vents (roddyeuropa@aol.com) 7. 08:09 AM - SV: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 8. 08:23 AM - Re: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands (David Joyce) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:07 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents From: "Remi Guerner" Hi Guys, My solution to repair and improve the Naca vents was to remove the shut off system, make a fiberglass conduit and install adjustable aluminium vents. Works fine. See attached pics. Remi F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354369#354369 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa090002_medium_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa080005_medium_213.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:49 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery Location with a 914 On 10/07/2011 11:34 AM, David Joyce wrote: > pax 150 - 400lbs/baggage 0-80lbs/fuel0-110lbs) I suspect that the saving > in extra heavy duty cable. and support for a rear mounting more or less > makes up for the 3 lbs weight and it is certainly more convenient in the > engine department. I used copper clad aluminium wire and built an aluminium support for the rear mounted batteries but the overall weight was certainly less than 3 lbs. C of G turned out to be perfect. I have a 2-bladed CS prop, 914, intercooler, second alternator, and a loaded instrument panel. Frans ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:51 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands On 10/07/2011 01:09 PM, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote: > Very good, David. Stephan and I each parted with 80 to fly along > the Belgian coastline to/from Popham this summer. Hope to avoid it > next time! We are regularly overflying Belgium (and always announcing in the flight plan and to Brussels info that aircraft type is EUPA) but never bothered about it, never got even the slightest hint that we should obtain a special permit and never heard of any other Dutch pilot who payed 80 Euro's. Frans ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:57 AM PST US From: "Peter Jeffers" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents Hi Remi, Nice looking job! This is a very similar solution to ours. This works well and is a good adaption of an appallingly unacceptable piece of expensive rubbish. In the UK we would define this product as 'unfit for purpose' and as such should be outlawed. (but I suppose it is still being sold) Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: 08 October 2011 08:48 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents Hi Guys, My solution to repair and improve the Naca vents was to remove the shut off system, make a fiberglass conduit and install adjustable aluminium vents. Works fine. See attached pics. Remi F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354369#354369 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa090002_medium_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa080005_medium_213.jpg ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:15 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Battery Location with a 914 From: Paul McAllister Hi All, My mono came in at 860 pounds and with the battery in the rear I needed 4 lb of lead in the tail. I have since mved it further back to the post that holds the counter balance. I also used CCA cable which was less than 2 pounds. Paul ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents From: roddyeuropa@aol.com Mine too broke first time used them. Here is the repair which I did - now b een working for 8 years without problems. 1) take a cs machine screw - like the longer ones used to attach the cowlin g. 2) countersink one of the large penny washers and attach the screw so you n ow have a machine screw with a large flat head. I think I welded and ground mine; araldite 420 might do it. 3) get rid of the plastic screw bit and grind/sand where it attaches to the vent flat 4) screw the machine screw into the black knob on the vent casing. It will cut its own thread 5) Put some araldite 420 on the washer/screw head and turn the knob until i ts is hard against the vent. Let it set and all done. Roddy G-IKRK -----Original Message----- From: Peter Jeffers Sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:28 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents Hi Remi, Nice looking job! This is a very similar solution to ours. This works well and is a good adaption of an appallingly unacceptable piece of expensive rubbish. In the UK we would define this product as 'unfit for purpose' and as such should be outlawed. (but I suppose it is still being sold) Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: 08 October 2011 08:48 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents Hi Guys, My solution to repair and improve the Naca vents was to remove the shut off system, make a fiberglass conduit and install adjustable aluminium vents. Works fine. See attached pics. Remi F-PGKL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354369#354369 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa090002_medium_198.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/pa080005_medium_213.jpg ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:36 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands My memory failed me - it was actually Euro 89 that we each had to pay for the Belgian permit, not "only" Euro 80! We read about the requirement and found the contact information on the website of UK's LAA. The response from the Belgian authorities referred to Article 4(2) of the Royal Decree of 16 March 2009, and listed the various information and aircraft documents to be submitted. In due course, a "Temporary permission to fly over Belgian territory" arrived, and some months later, the invoice arrived (the fee was mentioned up-front, though). Far from wanting to teach anyone anything, let me just say that filing a flight plan does not in itself give permission for anything, not even as far as conducting the flight as intended (clearances must be obtained along the route). Air traffic control and bureaucratic matters are two different issues. The ATC does not check whether the pilot is qualified to command the aircraft, or whether the aircraft is airworthy, before e.g. giving clearance for entry into controlled airspace. They assume that the pilot is "legal", the aircraft airworthy and other papers are in place, and take it from there. We were well aware of the common practice of not applying for a permit to fly along the Belgian coast, but decided that we would rather pay the cost of the permit than the price of not having one in case we had to land in Belgium for some reason or became involved in an incident, when the authorities might ask questions. We may fly as birds, but in this modern time and age we are far from as free as birds when we fly. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:16 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands Frans, Absolutely - you can get away with it, as I have on many occasions with many other Europa friends. However extensive correspondence with the Belgian CAA both by our LAA and personally has them insisting that it is necessary to seek permission before flying a home built through Belgian airspace. I only sought permission on one occasion when I was entering the Dawn to Dusk Challenge and vesting all of Wellington's battle sites, and for that you are required to sign to say that you have not broken any regulations. The bill for 80+ euros was an unpleasant surprise! which I am fighting. You have to assume that the FPL people and air traffic have better things to do than sort through the small print of the regulations, but quite what would happen if you have an 'incident' is another matter! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frans Veldman" Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:53 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Entry to Belgium and the Channel Islands > > On 10/07/2011 01:09 PM, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote: > >> Very good, David. Stephan and I each parted with 80 to fly along >> the Belgian coastline to/from Popham this summer. Hope to avoid it >> next time! > > We are regularly overflying Belgium (and always announcing in the flight > plan and to Brussels info that aircraft type is EUPA) but never bothered > about it, never got even the slightest hint that we should obtain a > special permit and never heard of any other Dutch pilot who payed 80 > Euro's. > > Frans > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.