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Mon 10/10/11


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:23 AM - Re: Tailspring and Tailwheel forks plating (tennant)
     2. 12:36 AM - Trike foot brakes... (Bob Harrison)
     3. 02:37 AM - Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s) (PHILLIPS I)
     4. 04:09 AM - Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s) (Frans Veldman)
     5. 04:20 AM - Re: Transceivers (flying farmer)
     6. 05:04 AM - Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner( (zwakie)
     7. 05:28 AM - Question to Ivor on Texel video (zwakie)
     8. 05:30 AM - Toe vs Finger Brakes (flyingphil2)
     9. 06:06 AM - Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video (Pete Lawless)
    10. 06:09 AM - Re: Toe vs Finger Brakes (Pete Lawless)
    11. 06:41 AM - Re: Toe vs Finger Brakes (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
    12. 07:13 AM - Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video (zwakie)
    13. 07:24 AM - Re: Toe vs Finger Brakes (Max Cointe)
    14. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video (Pete Lawless)
    15. 08:37 AM - Re: Trike foot brakes... (Kevin Challis)
    16. 09:07 AM - Re: Toe vs Finger Brakes (flyingphil2)
    17. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video (Pete Lawless)
    18. 10:20 AM - Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video (PHILLIPS I)
    19. 10:24 AM - Re: Transceivers (stephen vestuti)
    20. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Transceivers (Frans Veldman)
    21. 02:00 PM - Re: Transceivers (stephen vestuti)
    22. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video (Trevpond@aol.com)
    23. 04:12 PM - Re: Re: Transceivers (Frans Veldman)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:23:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tailspring and Tailwheel forks plating
    From: "tennant" <barrington.tennant@gmail.com>
    Tony, I would be very careful with plating processes as the spring is very hard and the process could induce Hydrogen Embrittlement into the surface. The result of this could be cracking and breaking of the spring. If the spring is a decent spring steel it will have a hardness of at least 45HRC which would make it succeptible to cracking. Best regards Barry Tennant -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354486#354486


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    Time: 12:36:31 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Trike foot brakes...
    Hi! All finger brake gurus ! I have a friend who is in need of one foot brake actuating lever anyone with one to spare please reply soonest. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG


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    Time: 02:37:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(s)
    From: PHILLIPS I <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Hi Raimo Perhaps my eyes are not as good as they were, [?] But i cannot see any Silicone paste residue on the threads of your spark plug, Rotax recommend it to reduce Spark plug temps, I have used Dow corning DC340 to good affect on my engine, best wishes Ivor On 9 October 2011 20:55, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote: > All who like to know what was it > > *** > > One week ago on Sunday I looked, found and solved the source for vibratio n > as follows: > > First I checked the overall appearance of the plane ' good > Then I took the prop for a closer check and drove the blades to their > finest positions ' all very exactly 17 degrees (measured from the tip e nd). > Then I drove them to the coarsest position ' all were again same and 29 ,5 > degrees, > Opened the cowlings ' just normal inside. > Took off all the sparking plugs ' one until another were just great ' > colour like mild milk coffee... > > - until I took of the last (!) one: that was #3 (stbd side, rearmost) and > lower one: it was sky blue (a colour like RAL 5015 or Pantone 2925C). > > It /they have been on service 57 hrs only. > > Attached a pic of it (it was not so easy to photo it to get a correct > colour!). > > I replaced all the plugs for new. That was it. As I wrote earlier ' My > Europa was after service just great. > > *** > My mistake: I did not try during the flight one week ago the magnetos A a nd > B alone. I could not imagine that would be a solution for a smoother ride . > You remember ' one power selection and one rpm-selection only together was > acceptable to continue the flight with a reasonable vibra only. > > *** > How could loosing only one plug to make such a hard situation? My only > guess is that it was detonation; below and over certain rpm=B4s and map =B4s the > engine was very unhappy. Why so ' I am sure someone of you can explain it. > Certainly the plug has been very hot. > > *** > I consulted a Finnish Rotax agent: during a last decade he remembered onl y > another case loosing a spark plug from Rotax. That case the spark was onl y > dead and no noticeable problems during the flight. His ten years are equ al > of well over 200.000 hrs of Rotax flight time (200 planes x 100 hrs /year x > 10 year). > > *** > Dear competitors: I got several answers. Some of them are a bit funny but > all are valuable. Thanks for great inputs. All of you, also those privat > answers. > > Only one of you guessed the right answer. That was Bob Yearly by writing as > follows, that was a great list for all of > us, thank you. > > > Many things to check. > Carbs: > Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. > Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power > setting. > Check carb balance. > Engine Electrics: > First check ignition A and B separate. > *Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also)* > *Pull plugs and look for differences.* > Fuel : > Check carb float bowls for dirt. > Check fuel pressure regulator for 914 > Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure. > Exhaust: > Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness or > failures. > Regards, > Bud > > *** > > Problems: The Rules: one single guess per person, please. > > So, Bud is not a winner but that is not a problem for him I am sure. > > What is the jury=B4s decision? All of you (who gave a guess or more) will get > a little surprising shipment from Finland: just let me know your exact > address info details direct to > > info@rwm.fi > > Also the daughters. > > Thanks, > > > Terveisin, > [image: allekirjoitus raimo] > Raimo Toivio > > RWM-SYSTEMS > "=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"**** > > [image: aaa] > > 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 > FINLAND > > p. 03 - 3753 777 > f. 03 - 3753 100 > > www.rwm.fi > info@rwm.fi**** > > > *From:* Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:15 PM > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle > > Many things to check. > Carbs: > Check for a vacuum leak or a carb intake or carb to manifold leak. > Especially since it seems to have just started and abates at low power > setting. > Check carb balance. > > Engine Electrics: > First check ignition A and B separate. > Second check plugs, check coil. (one bad coil really shakes also) > Pull plugs and look for differences. > > Fuel : > Check carb float bowls for dirt. > Check fuel pressure regulator for 914 > Finally your fuel pump delivery pressure. > > Exhaust: > Check no exhaust failure. Look at the entire exhaust for soot, looseness > or failures. > > Regards, > Bud > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, October 01, 2011 3:44 PM > *Subject:* Europa-List: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle > > All > > I have hope-so a nice riddle for you. > > Maybe all the answers are useful ' let=B4s collect them all: > > *** > > Yesterday I took off from *a very* remote /small /windy (90 degrees 12 > knots and gusting MUCH) grass strip. Soon until well over the ground at > altitude +500 feet with full power and 2nd fuel pump still on and gears u p I > felt suddenly let us say medium or more shake and vibration. My immediate > reaction was to go around and land immediately but abandoned because wind > was so furious and I felt I cannot do that (a succesful landing). > > I decided to try to fly to the next possible sensible airfield EFHV which > was 10 minutes apart. > > Those minutes were long: I put my prob (Airmaster CS) to manual and drive d > it from fine to coarse, tried all the power settings and also a 2nd fuel > filter. Finally I noticed that when prop was in a climb mode (in my case > 5400 rpm /Rotax 912S) and MAP around 20 inches I got quite a comfortable > flying mode and I headed straight home. My airspeed was w that selection > about 110 knots but because of a strong headwind GS was only about 70 kno ts > (wanted to be clearly over the ground at 3000 ft because it was well over > sunset and totally dark, yesterday we got sunset around 1600 Zulutime and > time was well over 1630 when flying). > > So, I pushed home one looooong hour. All the aerodynamics were well. I wa s > a bit worried my engine will separate or so. When trying to push more pwr it > was more vibra and when trying to pull less pwr same. I Followed a main > highway and decided to land there if feeling so. Cars there with lights a re > almost like a lighted runway... > > Finally landing to the EFTP flawlesly. > > *** > > Today we had a FHGP (Family Hangar Grill Party). I tried to check my plan e > as well as I can. I found something. Very small evidence but something > anyway. I tried to fix it and had a test run. I elected to go to fly ' hey I > am a test pilot who else ' and She was better than ever! > > I managed to do 2 touches and goes when C172 did one with same runway. > > 140 knots during downwind makes me always happy. > > *** > > So ' dear Ladies and Gentlemen ' what was wrong? > > It would be nice and very life-useful to hear your opinions or guesses wh at > was wrong. > > *** > > The Rules: one single guess per person, please. > > The Prize: The Best Guess will get a Very Special Xmas Present from > Finland! > > *** > > I will let you know a solution after a week ' be patient. > > Have a nice weekend and > > > Cheers, Raimo Toivio > > [image: Europa A2A-ala2OK] > > Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 > > Updated flight hours /landings: 258,3 > > 37500 Lempaala > FINLAND > > p +358-3-3753 777 > f +358-3-3753 100 > > toivio@fly.to > www.rwm.fi**** > >


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    Time: 04:09:40 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The
    Winner(s) On 10/09/2011 09:55 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: > How could loosing only one plug to make such a hard situation? My only > guess is that it was detonation; below and over certain rpms and maps > the engine was very unhappy. Burning of the fuel-air mixture will start at the spark-plug and from there it will migrate to the other end. This takes some time. This is why ignition always takes place before the piston is at top dead center. The Rotax has two spark plugs per cylinder, so the burning starts at two opposite sides and takes less time. Pre-ignition time is set to a lower value to deal with this. If one spark plug fails, it takes longer before all the contents of the cylinder is burned, pre-ignition is of course not corrected, so probably some burning is still taking place when the mixture is expelled through the exhaust valve. The result is less pressure in that cylinder. This causes an imbalance. Lower RPM gives more time for burning, and a less dense mixture burns faster. I wouldn't have guessed that this imbalance would be so noticable. Maybe the delayed pressure wave in the cylinder prevents fresh mixture to enter the cylinder so in the next cycle less mixture can be burned, hence an even lower pressure and more imbalance. Anyway, it was interesting to learn about this problem. I will take a mental note that if I ever have to deal with vibration that I will check if switching off one ignition circuit will improve the situation. Thanks! Frans


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    Time: 04:20:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Transceivers
    From: "flying farmer" <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
    Danny, Pat, and off line contacts, Thank you for the info on the ATR 833. It looks like a good choice of Transceiver. Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354492#354492


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    Time: 05:04:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Heavy In-flight Vibration Riddle /The Solution /The Winner(
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    I have another thought on top: what will this have done to the crankshaft and/or piston rod and bearings? Should one be worried about increased tolerances, excessive wear a.s.o., especially having continued flight for an hour? I have made the same mental note that Frans has made, I too would not have expected vibrations to become so imminent by one failing spark plug. Thanks Raimo! -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354495#354495


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    Time: 05:28:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    Ivor, I found your youtube video of your landing for the 3rd Dutch GA Flyin (). Nice demonstration of what SmartASS does! I was wondering, what are those "EGT" calls for, f.i. on short final and when parking your plane? (if only I had known you were taping your landing... OMG, my calls at 2:10 and 4:50 are BLASTING through your cockpit [Wink] [Laughing]) -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354498#354498


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    Time: 05:30:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Toe vs Finger Brakes
    From: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
    I've not used either on a Europa. Anyone got any opinions on which is better / worse and why? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354499#354499


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    Time: 06:06:37 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    Marcel Are you going to share the youtube link with the rest of us? Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 10 October 2011 13:26 Subject: Europa-List: Question to Ivor on Texel video Ivor, I found your youtube video of your landing for the 3rd Dutch GA Flyin (). Nice demonstration of what SmartASS does! I was wondering, what are those "EGT" calls for, f.i. on short final and when parking your plane? (if only I had known you were taping your landing... OMG, my calls at 2:10 and 4:50 are BLASTING through your cockpit [Wink] [Laughing]) -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354498#354498 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 06:09:28 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Toe vs Finger Brakes
    Hi Phil I have flown one with toe brakes and I could not get my feet on the brakes and rudder at the same time. It was all too tight for space in the footwell. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flyingphil2 Sent: 10 October 2011 13:28 Subject: Europa-List: Toe vs Finger Brakes I've not used either on a Europa. Anyone got any opinions on which is better / worse and why? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354499#354499 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 06:41:08 AM PST US
    From: "peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk" <peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Toe vs Finger Brakes
    In contrast to the experience below - we have been using the finger brakes for about 5 years or so - very easy to get to grips with and never any issues with getting to them when needed as they are right by the throttle. Peter ----Original Message---- From: pete@lawless.info Subj: RE: Europa-List: Toe vs Finger Brakes Hi Phil I have flown one with toe brakes and I could not get my feet on the brakes and rudder at the same time. It was all too tight for space in the footwell. Pete


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    Time: 07:13:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
    Pete, Did the link not come through in the original posting? Well, here it is once more: http://youtu.be/iM1txjU7Mm4 Ivor: I watched a few more of your videos and I discovered you have the EGT's and CHT's called out, so I found the answer to my question. Marcel -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354514#354514


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    Time: 07:24:38 AM PST US
    From: "Max Cointe" <mcointe@free.fr>
    Subject: Toe vs Finger Brakes
    The builder of our XS moved the toe brakes "unusables by standard feet" to hand brakes before he sold me the plane. Using it for one year+, very easy and efficient. Max Cointe F-PMLH Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 390+ hours -----Message d'origine----- De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk Envoy : lundi 10 octobre 2011 15:38 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : RE: Europa-List: Toe vs Finger Brakes In contrast to the experience below - we have been using the finger brakes for about 5 years or so - very easy to get to grips with and never any issues with getting to them when needed as they are right by the throttle. Peter ----Original Message---- From: pete@lawless.info Subj: RE: Europa-List: Toe vs Finger Brakes Hi Phil I have flown one with toe brakes and I could not get my feet on the brakes and rudder at the same time. It was all too tight for space in the footwell. Pete


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    Time: 07:58:23 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    Thanks I will enjoy! DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 10 October 2011 15:10 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video Pete, Did the link not come through in the original posting? Well, here it is once more: http://youtu.be/iM1txjU7Mm4 Ivor: I watched a few more of your videos and I discovered you have the EGT's and CHT's called out, so I found the answer to my question. Marcel -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354514#354514 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 08:37:48 AM PST US
    From: "Kevin Challis" <kevinmarie@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Trike foot brakes...
    Bob I have a pair of little used foot brake bits, taken off to convert to finger brakes. They are at Laddingford I wont be down to the airfield for a week but I expect someone down there could assist if you need them quickly. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:32 AM Subject: Europa-List: Trike foot brakes... > Hi! All finger brake gurus ! > > I have a friend who is in need of one foot brake actuating lever anyone > with > one to spare please reply soonest. > > Regards > > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > >


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    Time: 09:07:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Toe vs Finger Brakes
    From: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
    Thanks for the replies - very conclusive. Finger brakes it is then. Phil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354528#354528


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    Time: 10:20:51 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    Hey Marcel It's just like flying with my wife in the right hand seat! Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 10 October 2011 15:10 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video Pete, Did the link not come through in the original posting? Well, here it is once more: http://youtu.be/iM1txjU7Mm4 Ivor: I watched a few more of your videos and I discovered you have the EGT's and CHT's called out, so I found the answer to my question. Marcel -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354514#354514 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 10:20:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    From: PHILLIPS I <ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com>
    Hi Marcel I have the EGT/CHT Parameters set a bit fine on the Dynon so when i close the throttle the EGT's give a warning of low temps but they are still well from their minimum, They are on my list of things to do this winter[?] to reduce false warnings, best wishes Ivor On 10 October 2011 13:25, zwakie <mz@cariama.nl> wrote: > > Ivor, > > I found your youtube video of your landing for the 3rd Dutch GA Flyin (). > > Nice demonstration of what SmartASS does! I was wondering, what are those > "EGT" calls for, f.i. on short final and when parking your plane? > > (if only I had known you were taping your landing... OMG, my calls at 2:10 > and 4:50 are BLASTING through your cockpit [Wink] [Laughing]) > > -------- > Marcel > (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354498#354498 > >


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    Time: 10:24:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Transceivers
    From: "stephen vestuti" <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
    I too have been researching the comms. for some time. The Garmin SL40 doesn't support 8.33 but does talk to the MGL Efis that i'm fitting. (change frequency from the Efis screen) The XCom 760 doesnt support 8.33 but does talk to the MGL Efis. The ATR 833 does support 8.33 but doesn't appear to talk to the MGL, It's all a bit of a mish mash, If any one knows of a comms. that does both and is preferably 2 1/4" panel cut out then please let me know, Steve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354544#354544


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    Time: 10:53:06 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Transceivers
    On 10/10/2011 07:21 PM, stephen vestuti wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "stephen vestuti"<s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk> > > I too have been researching the comms. for some time. > The Garmin SL40 doesn't support 8.33 but does talk to the MGL Efis that i'm fitting. (change frequency from the Efis screen) Is MGL's own transceiver not 8.33 compatible? At least it talks to the MGL Efis... See http://www.mglavionics.co.za/VHF10.htm Frans


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    Time: 02:00:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Transceivers
    From: "stephen vestuti" <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
    I had already looked at the MGL VHF 10, it too doesn't appear to support 8.33 channel spacing and is stuck on 25KHz, maybe 8.33 is not that important... It talks to the Efis though, Steve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354577#354577


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    Time: 03:11:24 PM PST US
    From: Trevpond@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video
    Iver, I thought mine was bad with the Garmin 695 telling me about terrain and that I should pull up, accompanied by the ZAON XRX telling me about traffic, usually just as I'm turning finals!! regards Trev G-LINN In a message dated 10/10/2011 18:21:03 GMT Daylight Time, pete@lawless.info writes: --> Europa-List message posted by: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info> Hey Marcel It's just like flying with my wife in the right hand seat! Pete DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie Sent: 10 October 2011 15:10 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Question to Ivor on Texel video Pete, Did the link not come through in the original posting? Well, here it is once more: http://youtu.be/iM1txjU7Mm4 Ivor: I watched a few more of your videos and I discovered you have the EGT's and CHT's called out, so I found the answer to my question. Marcel -------- Marcel (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354514#354514 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 04:12:37 PM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Re: Transceivers
    On 10/10/2011 10:57 PM, stephen vestuti wrote: > --> Europa-List message posted by: "stephen vestuti"<s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk> > > I had already looked at the MGL VHF 10, it too doesn't appear to support > 8.33 channel spacing I just checked: According to the manual the "European versions" DO support 8.33kHz channel spacing! Frans




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