---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/17/11: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:04 AM - Re: 912S Rough Running at High Revs (tennant) 2. 02:53 AM - Re: ballistic Parachute (Trevpond@aol.com) 3. 04:02 AM - Re: ballistic Parachute (PHILLIPS I) 4. 07:57 AM - Re: Naca vents (AirEupora) 5. 08:53 AM - Re: ballistic Parachute (G-IANI) 6. 09:59 AM - Re: The Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa GatheringThe Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa Gathering (Stephan Cassel) 7. 09:59 AM - Re: Tail Wheel (Charlie Laverty) 8. 10:59 AM - Re: ballistic Parachute (Gary Leinberger) 9. 12:00 PM - SV: The Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa GatheringThe Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa Gathering (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 10. 02:23 PM - Re: ballistic Parachute (Frans Veldman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: 912S Rough Running at High Revs From: "tennant" Bryan, Check your fuel system for air ingress. I had similar symptoms many years ago. Impossible to find, until I fitted a clear plastic pipe to one of the carb feed tubes. I found that although there was no obvious leak lots of air was getting into the fual supply, enough that the engine ran weak at high load. New hoses and decent clips solved it. Barry Tennant -------- Barry Tennant D-EHBT At EDLM - Germany Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355262#355262 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:17 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: ballistic Parachute Hi Ivor, I believe one of the Flying magazines were building a Europa with a Ballistic Parachute Recovery System. I wonder if the one you saw was it. best regards Trev G-LINN In a message dated 16/10/2011 21:17:13 GMT Daylight Time, ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com writes: I came across a tri gear at Lelystad Holland fitted with a Ballistic parachute, thought it may be of interest so a couple of picture's attached, regards Ivor G-IVER ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: ballistic Parachute From: PHILLIPS I Hi Trev No that was the Flyer magazine and that aircraft is still being built without the parachute at this time. regards ivor On 17 October 2011 10:50, wrote: > ** > Hi Ivor, > > I believe one of the Flying magazines were building a Europa with a > Ballistic Parachute Recovery System. I wonder if the one you saw was it. > > best regards > > > Trev > G-LINN > > In a message dated 16/10/2011 21:17:13 GMT Daylight Time, > ivor.phillips@ntlworld.com writes: > > I came across a tri gear at Lelystad Holland fitted with a Ballistic > parachute, thought it may be of > > interest so a couple of picture's attached, > > > regards > > > Ivor > > G-IVER > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:33 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Naca vents From: "AirEupora" I tried repairing these NACA vents and the repair has broken. I liked one of the ideals for fixing them from Remi, but the time and effort would have been to much. I'm lazy and want to go flying. I looked at what Roddy did and I liked his ideal, but my knob was to far gone. I drilled out the knob and took a 10-32 bolt (AN4-6) and using resin and fibers glued the bolt into the knob. I then riveted a nutplate onto an AN-960 washer. I had to grind the edges off to fit in the hole inside of the NACA vent. That was glued too. I also ground down the nutplate to about half its normal length. I left a shoulder on the movable part of the vent where the bolt makes contact so that it would not blown out once I opened it in the air. The one question I have? Is there enough air pressure on the movable vent to force it open? .. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355275#355275 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:59 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: ballistic Parachute Trev The Flyer Europa with ballistic parachute was never completed and the unit was removed from the fuselage. That aircraft has a new owner and work is in progress to complete it. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:37 AM PST US From: "Stephan Cassel" Subject: Re: Europa-List: The Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa GatheringThe Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa Gathering Dear Ian, That would be fantastic if you and G-CBHI will participate. Please make that happened So far there are about 10 Europas and 14 persons that have announced there interest. And many more to come. Looking forward to see you at Biberach/Friedrichshafen. Other readers: please follow the link http://aero2012.scassel.se/ and send a registration mail. The registration is not binding. It is just a registration of your intention. Best regards Stephan LN-STE ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:38 AM PST US From: "Charlie Laverty" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail Wheel Hi Graham I still have both an original tailwheel & one with the spring leg, as Paul is prepared to offer help with my fuel gauge I would be happy to let him whatever he needs foc if we can arrange delivery. Regards Charlie From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 10:55 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tail Wheel Pauul I think I might have one, certainly have a spring leg. Will check tomorrow AM Graham ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: Paul McAllister Sent: Saturday, 15 October, 2011 22:22:52 Subject: Europa-List: Tail Wheel Hi All, I am about to order a new tail wheel but before I do I just wanted to check in to see if anyone had a tail wheel left over from a Tri conversion that I might be able to purchase. Cheers, Paul http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listw" target="_blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://======= =============== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:53 AM PST US From: Gary Leinberger Subject: RE: Europa-List: ballistic Parachute I looked very carefully at putting a ballistic chute on my Europa - the rea l problem is that you would have to totally re-engineer the plane - the for ces involved in slowing the plane from 150 mph to essentially zero are amaz ing. The other problem is that you basically destroy the plane because you need to put the harness at the proper angle, with enough room for "swing" a nd deployment. Putting it outside (like on the picture) affects aerodynamic s, and could lead to problems of weathering of these harnesses over time. O n the Cirrus, the plane is destroyed if the chute is deployed - the entire top is ripped apart and apparently the rest of the plane is so distorted by the shock of opening the chute that you are better off ordering a new plan e. I guess you could make it strong enough to be reusable, but then, of co urse, it won't fly which would also increase your safety. :) These chutes are not benign devices - on my KitFox Lite I have a ballistic chute - it is deployed by firing off what is essentially a mortar shell to get the chute properly deployed - which means you have an explosion right n ext to the plastic fuel tank right behind me. I think before deploying it, I would have to be in a very tense situation - if it was just an engine out I would probably take my chances landing (I have empirically tested this - it was unplanned but worked out) rather than fire off a mortar shell next to a gas tank. While these chutes have saved lives, they really only work in very specific situations - for example, a in-flight wing failure - if you remember to st op the prop, and can get the chute deployed without tangling in the wreckag e or the prop. A chute does you no good on the two major accident situations (maybe 90% of accidents?) - landing and take-off - in neither case do you have sufficien t time for the chute to deploy - even if you are very quick to analyze the problem. The real insurance is to build it right, don't fly it beyond its performanc e envelope, and stay out of bad weather. Gary Leinberger A237 Waiting for Paint From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G-IANI Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: ballistic Parachute Trev The Flyer Europa with ballistic parachute was never completed and the unit was removed from the fuselage. That aircraft has a new owner and work is in progress to complete it. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:47 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: The Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa GatheringThe Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa Gathering Hei Stephan, Utrolig bra oppslutning!! Ser at Hans J=F8rgens fly/nye eier vil delta ' blir det med Hans J=F8rgen som co-pilot? Mvh Svein Fra: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne av Stephan Cassel Sendt: 17. oktober 2011 18:55 Til: europa-list@matronics.com Emne: Re: Europa-List: The Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa GatheringThe Aero 2012 Friedrichshafen Europa Gathering Dear Ian, That would be fantastic if you and G-CBHI will participate. Please make that happened Smile So far there are about 10 Europas and 14 persons that have announced there interest. And many more to come. Looking forward to see you at Biberach/Friedrichshafen. Other readers: please follow the link http://aero2012.scassel.se/ and send a registration mail. The registration is not binding. It is just a registration of your intention. Best regards Stephan LN-STE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:37 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: ballistic Parachute On 10/17/2011 07:55 PM, Gary Leinberger wrote: > I looked very carefully at putting a ballistic chute on my Europa I went through the same mental exercise, with the same outcome. Apart from affecting the plane in a negative way (you forgot to mention the weight disadvantage; it eats up all bagage weight), I couldn't really imagine many realistic situations in which I would (be able to) deploy the chute. Given the fact that it destroys the aircraft (if it is not during deployment then it is during the uncontrolled touch down somewhere on a rock, tree or building) I would not be so enthousiastic to pull the pin out of the mortar if it would "just" be an engine failure, or "just" an IMC encounter, or anything else where there would still be any hope to come out unscathed. I would deploy it during an engine failure over sea, or maybe during an engine failure in the mountains without any suitable landing spot. I doubt it could be deployed after a structural failure in flight (I imagine the roll rate of the plane would be instantly enormous if some piece of wing would depart the airplane) or during an in flight collision (given the cruise speed of the Europa it is doubtful if anyone would be able to press a button after the event, providing there is some structural integrity left after the collision to either reach the chute and to carry the wreckage after deployment.) Most of the arguments apply equally well to personal chutes. Frans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.